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One does not have to look hard to find evidence that the general ideology of the Anglo-Saxon Foundation is not shared by mainstream English society. An obvious example is the subject of religion: according to statistics<ref>http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=8301</ref> England 71.74% Christian, 3.10% Muslim, 1.11% Hindu, 0.67% Sikh, 0.52% Jewish, 0.28% Buddhist, 0.29% belonging to other religons and 14.59% nonreligious, with 7.69% not stating their religion. The UEPEngland forum, meanwhile, seems to consist largely of worshippers of Woden and Tunor. That ain't a mainsteam religion, folks. | One does not have to look hard to find evidence that the general ideology of the Anglo-Saxon Foundation is not shared by mainstream English society. An obvious example is the subject of religion: according to statistics<ref>http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=8301</ref> England 71.74% Christian, 3.10% Muslim, 1.11% Hindu, 0.67% Sikh, 0.52% Jewish, 0.28% Buddhist, 0.29% belonging to other religons and 14.59% nonreligious, with 7.69% not stating their religion. The UEPEngland forum, meanwhile, seems to consist largely of worshippers of Woden and Tunor. That ain't a mainsteam religion, folks. | ||
| − | But if anyone is still unconvinced, then they can gather the data themselves. Pick a random English passer-by off the street, tell them that Wikipedia is | + | But if anyone is still unconvinced, then they can gather the data themselves. Pick a random English passer-by off the street, tell them that Wikipedia is "full of Jewish attempts of world domination called Goy cabal" (as "youngy1979" has<ref>http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:UepYoungyGuthlac.jpg</ref>) and see how seriously they take you. |
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The Anglo Saxon Foundation is a forum for people who claim to "have a pride in being English and respect for our ancestors [and] are willing to protect our identity, heritage and history."[1] This manifests itself as a curious obsession with England as it existed between the coming of the Saxons and the Norman conquest. Rather confusingly the forum is part of a larger website called "Saxon North" while the URL is UEPEngland.com (stands for "United English Patriots England", apparently). Although the members claim to stand for the English people, most people in England probably think they're a tad cuckoo.
The people of the forum believe that Wikipedia is part of a sinister conspiracy against them and describe RationalWiki's contributors as "antienglish pillocks" and "uber-liberal milksops".
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General viewpoints
The members of the forum regard themselves as descendents of the Anglo-Saxon people and as victims of mistreatment, comparable to the treatment of black people under slavery and Irish people under the English, that began with the Norman conquest[2] and manifests in the present day in the form of a vast anti-English conspiracy.
Crucially, they see themselves as English rather than British[3] and hold the idea of British identity to be inherently anti-English. They also oppose civic nationalism - that is, the idea that anybody living in England is English, regardless of ethnic background; members of the forum have been known to kick up stinks at civic nationalists' blogs.[4]
The board has a subforum devoted to "politically incorrect humour", with a disclaimer reading "Offended? don't be. As Bernard Manning would say, 'it's just a fucking joke'";[5] interestingly, however, the forumgoers have no problem with attacking comedians such as Eddie Izzard for poking fun at English people.[6]
The members tend to pepper their conversations with Old English words, often typing "Englisc" rather than "English" and using "níðing" as an insult.
The forum's owner has said that "The BNP speaks the truth, which is why idiots brand them racist. It's the oldest trick in the book." [7] However, some members find the BNP to be too open: "fucking all inclusive celtic bnp christianised dead jew on a fucking stick bullshit", grumbles "Borric from Esseax".[8]
"Orcs"
The members of the ASF forums are often contemptuous of other ethnic groups; this extends not just to non-white people but also to Celts and Normans. Non-Saxons are often referred to as "orcs" by forumgoers,[9][10][11] leading to such unintentionally comical statements as "there were a lot less Orcs in the mid '70s when I was in primary school".
Some members prefer more traditional racial slurs. "[I]t is thirty years since the niggers went ape ( pardon the pun ) in Brixton and Toxteth", says member "catweazle"; "that bitch Thatcher was considering bringing in the Army to deal with the rioting coons. Why didn't you, you stupid bitch? Those barbarians should have been wiped out, either by our Troops or by issuing the police with guns to mow these animals down." He then notes that "some of the street names were named after promiinent niggers".[12]
"The English have been shit on by too many races", says "youngy1979". "Multiculturalism doesn't work, it's a fucked up idea which has been tried and tested and has proved to be a failure. It will never work because all the other races get too fucking comfortable and try taking away our identity, they think they are above us and try shouting the odd's. We have given most of them their country's back and at great cost, as lives were lost gaining the land, and also we have had to apologise and give big payout's to those country's etc."[2]
"We are not Nazi's, racists, bigots, or fascists", insists the registration page.[13]
The stately homos of England
Despite England's noble tradition of flaming homosexuals (Noel Coward, Quentin Crisp, Stephen Fry - the list goes on), the ASF crew aren't too keen on the whole same-sex scene. "After a while, children get over the 'giggly stage' and become desensitised by familiarity in the same way they no longer notice that almost all children's TV programmes are presented by a black woman and a limp-wristed 'man'", observes a member named "badger" in a thread on school children being taught about homosexuality. "By the time they're 10, the sight of a parade of lipstick-wearing perverts with their shaven arses showing through specially tailored and sequinned jeans, lining up outside Canterbury Cathedral for a same-sex 'marriage' will have them reaching for their lace hankies and confetti rather than the handguns that would be a more productive response!"[14]
"Another phase of exterminating the Ethnic English and probably the entire white population of this island?", adds "Inboren". "Brainwash all the kids into batting for the other side and job done, no more whitey and plenty room for more lovely Orcs."[15]
Religion
There's quite a bit of neopaganism going on at the ASF, some of it taking a very strange form. "As a heathen, my code doesn't allow me to feel empathy with the scum that treated my folk with the arrogance & disdain, of a people who felt they were superior to my race & kin", says member "Forstig" of the Japanese victims of the 2011 earthquake. "Bollocks to every dead one of them".[16] "[T]he japs prattle on about the samurai spirit and honour well honour allso involes admiting when you have done wrong and trying to make amends which is two things the nips seem to be incapable of doing so as far as im concerned this is simply the gods way of punishing the japanese for there lack of honour" adds "wesle".[17]
Member "Sceadugenden" posts about a time he received criticism from a Catholic woman for worshipping pagan deities. "I think you handled the situation very well," says "Alfwine". "I on the other hand would have restarted the old heathen custom of killing all inside taking all the gold and silver and burning the place to the ground".[18]
Nazism
Whatever their faults, the United English Patriots are (mostly) not Nazis. "This is a forum for the Ethnic English, and I fail to see what Nazism has to do with our current struggle", says adminstrator "Seaxan". "To rant on about Nazi this and that and applaud it, is like sticking your fingers up at our ancestors that died for our country." "As my dad spent some of the best years of his life fighting the sods, I'm not impressed by people who applaud them", adds "Beorwulf".[19]
The Wikipedia incident
Forum regular "youngy1979", decided to use Wikipedia to promote an obscure nationalist group called English Shieldwall. He first did this by adding a new section to Wikipedia's article on shield walls (the military technique, that is) claiming that "Many ill's [sic] have been committed and the English Shieldwall is the name of an organisation which is focused on defending the English folk from the on going devolution of England... The English Shieldwalls work will not be done until the English folk regain the respect that they so rightfully deserve within their ancient home".[20] Understandably this was then removed, and youngy was told that his edit constituted vandalism and that "Wikipedia articles are not the place for right-wing propaganda and ethnic whining."[21] He later made a full page about the group, which was then deleted on the grounds that "the article appears to be about a club, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia".[21]
Reaction
Over at the Anglo-Saxon Foundation youngy1979 pointed to Wikipedia's article on the whackadoodle islamist group Islam4UK and concluded that "Wikipedia is pure anti-English!"[22] "Yes, Wikipedia is racist against ethnic English and it's [sic] promotes mad terrorist groups such as Islam4uk," said another member. "Any reporter worth their salt would investigate Wickipedia and find who and what are behind it and who they are linked too and their backers. I bet it would be a real eye opener." All this, of course, misinterprets Wikipedia's guidelines on notability: a subject is deemed worthy of an article if it has been covered by reliable third-party sources such as news reports. Islam4UK has been covered in the news, and so is deemed notable; English Shieldwall apparently hasn't, and so is not deemed notable. Whether or not the subject is nice is irrelevent.
Things got worse as "Seaxan" found this and declared it to be "a dedicated page for monitoring pages concerning England". Another member weighed in: "that puts the tin hat on it for me. They are guilty as charged with Anglophobia. They actively monitor and delete articles designed to enhance English conciousness. GRRR!" Of course, Wikipedia has equivalent pages for just about every other country under the sun,[23] but this was conveniently ignored by the forumgoers.
"That there would be people of Jewish heritage in a racist leftist concern is no suprise", said one poster, presumably because one of the Wikipedians involved in the deletion of the article used the screenname "Ladyshallom". "Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky and Vladimir Lenin all shared Jewish heritage in common.[24] And Communism has always seen the Anglo-Saxon world with it's insistence on personal freedoms as it's biggest enemy." "Rídend", meanwhile, objected to the term "vandalism", as it "uses one our illustrious Germanic tribes’ names in a slanderous way".[25]
"Bastards!", yelled probably the angriest commentator. "The amount of s....t they have on their sight and willingness to listen to some pc Anglophobes is is indicative that they are in the hands of the liberal media, pc brigade and EU. Fro an organisation that say sit against censorship it does a lot of agilest the ethnci English." After this bout of illiteracy the individual added that "the owner of it should remember that he wouldn't even be able set up Wikipedia and express his views if it wasn't for our ethnic English fathers and grandfathers and the allies freeing his country from Nazi oppression. The owner of wikipedia and those with a vested interest in it, if they were around during WWII they would probably have been Nazi collaborates."
"It is blatant bigotry, then again this is the lot that just shat on troops in Afghanistan by releasing classified material", commented an idiot.[25]
By the way, the English Shieldwall website can be seen here. Happy now, Youngy?
As a complete and meaningless aside, it seems that half of Wikipedia, if not more, is written in British English.[26]
The RationalWiki incident
Furthering the impression that these people are happy with any group being belittled so long as it's not one to which they belong, the United English Patriots of England were not pleased with this article. It was posted at their board by "wesle" in a subforum entitled "anti-English/anti-White racism and prejudice", as though criticism of the Anglo-Saxon Foundation constitutes criticism of all English people.[1] He then summed up his thoughts in an epic 190 word sentence:
“”i just found this oh so though discection of us here i was at first tempted to post it in the humour section because there inept amaturish attempt at a hatchet job on the ASF is at best comically inept but in the end i decided this was the right place for these smug self satisfied antienglish pillocks due to there unthinking automatic knee jerk reaction to anyone showing pride in being english and actually doing the research as many have on here and coming to the conclusions that we have come to on many subject(and even there we agree to disagree on many matters unlike most "liberal" groups)based on a thoughtfull consideration on the evidence they blithely dismiss us as neo nazi tin foil hat wearing paranoid conspiracy theorists not having the courage of there convictions to come on here and get our side of things or heavens forbid try to debate the point rationally rather then doing the usual psuedo liberal trick of starting from a confrontational openly biased position and then accusing everyone else of being "racists"when they inevitably start to lose the debate
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"Behold the deed of a true níðing", said "Rídend". "The twerp who penned this piece of childishness best be careful for he has now crossed the line where libel laws come into play". Aw, diddums, did the big nasty RationalWiki upset you? Don't worry, we're sure the lawyers of England will be rushing to the defense of that beloved national institution, the UEPEngland forum. Or, er, not.
At least one person was happy: "Is there any way we can thank them for the publicity?", asked "Searu man", who was apparently unable to find the 'talk' tab. "They are clearly the sort of people who don't listen to what ordinary Englishmen are saying. Even the 'sheeple' are rather politically incorrect in their humour." "Sheeple"? We thought that was reserved for whichever Americans are on the opposite aisle these days.
Administrator "Seaxan" argued that the site has too little coverage of non-white racists. "What about the Black Panthers? where are they?", he asks. Er, they're here, Mr. Seaxan. Do try to keep up. "This site is obviously some left-wing liberal site as they clearly have problems with any site that doesn't promote their anal ideals", concludes the man who objects when he sees a children's Flash game with a black guy in it.[27]
Just as one poster in the Wikipedia thread couldn't tell the difference between Wikipedia and Wikileaks, people in the discussion had trouble wrapping their brains around the fact that Wikipedia and RationalWiki are different sites run by different people. "It simply proves what an unreliable source Wikipedia is", says "Wada". "Wikipedia is hardly neutral if it has to make personal attacks," commented "Woden's Child". He then curiously added that "having the freedom to believe in something that Rationalwiki doesn't comes at a price - the price being that they'll openly use the internet and the visibility they have to ridicule us because they don't agree with our concepts. Some freedom."
"The more they attack and insult a group, the more they are in fear of that group", said "Harold Godwinsson". "So with the continuious attack's and overt insults from the likes of Wikie, and other Leftist/Marxist Libral Lovvie wirdos, then its them showing their FEAR of us as Ethnic Englisc Nationalists... we have them craping themselves, so anything they say or do against us, is good, good for us, we grow stronger, while they are growing weaker, and more and more afraid of us, and that is also good for us, and bad for them". He concludes that "it shows that our cause is growing, and the Ethnic Englisc are increasingly becoming a threat to everything the Leftist Marxists have dreamed of and strived for eg. Global Domination, you attack that which you fear, and they fear us big time..." We also made fun of Alex Chiu - is he interfering with our plans for world domination as well?
That intellectual giant "wesle" went on to complain that "when its a scottish irish or welsh person making derogitory remarks about the english then thats just in good humoured spirits but when we return the same then its vile racism and we are 'bad' people not good pseudo liberals like at rational wiki". Hold on, when did we ever object to making fun of the taffies? He then added that "still i would,nt expect them to have the courage to prove there statements or even to come here and debate with us like grown ups", and proceeded to continue ignoring the 'talk' tab.
"I'm annoyed I didn't get a mention", said "Alda". There you go.
Views of UEPEngland = views of the English?
The introduction's line that "most people in England probably think they're a tad coo-coo" did not go down well. "Woden's Child" took RationalWiki to task for "calling us 'coo coo' - though they're too gutless to say it themselves so attribute the insult to the rest of the people of England on their behalf." Very well, then, RationalWiki hereby declares that you are a tad coo-coo.
Indeed, "Woden's Child" seemed particularly offended by the remark in question. S/he later added that "[i]f they are to accuse us of being deluded then perhaps they'd like to explain their deluded ideas of knowing what each and every English person thinks, which is apparently contrary to anything we believe in - an observation they don't back up with any hard evidence, save for something that is merely born out of their own assumptions."
One does not have to look hard to find evidence that the general ideology of the Anglo-Saxon Foundation is not shared by mainstream English society. An obvious example is the subject of religion: according to statistics[28] England 71.74% Christian, 3.10% Muslim, 1.11% Hindu, 0.67% Sikh, 0.52% Jewish, 0.28% Buddhist, 0.29% belonging to other religons and 14.59% nonreligious, with 7.69% not stating their religion. The UEPEngland forum, meanwhile, seems to consist largely of worshippers of Woden and Tunor. That ain't a mainsteam religion, folks.
But if anyone is still unconvinced, then they can gather the data themselves. Pick a random English passer-by off the street, tell them that Wikipedia is "full of Jewish attempts of world domination called Goy cabal" (as "youngy1979" has[29]) and see how seriously they take you.
Commentary from other ethnonationalists
"What a strange forum", said one Stormfront member.[30]
External links
Footnotes
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Capture_1d5a251896fee1a2e485e5fe09c2b9a3ec4347ee.png
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/25239-famous-people-you-would-like-to-punch/page__view__findpost__p__107539
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/16052-new-political-party/page__view__findpost__p__54604
- ↑ http://toque.co.uk/node/1723#comment-97043094
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/forum/63-humour/
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/25239-famous-people-you-would-like-to-punch/page__view__findpost__p__107442
- ↑ Stormfront CAUTION: Neo-Nazi website.
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/26925-bnp-and-english-shieldwall/page__view__findpost__p__117238
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/21561-ethnic-cleansing-by-the-normans-domesday/
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/26538-third-world-threat-desease/page__view__findpost__p__114985
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/16442-dump-scotland/page__view__findpost__p__57854
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/26715-30th-anniversary-of-nigger-riots/
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php?app=core&module=global§ion=register
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/26367-are-you-gay/page__view__findpost__p__114029
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/26367-are-you-gay/page__view__findpost__p__114035
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/25955-japan-earthquake/page__view__findpost__p__111797
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/25955-japan-earthquake/page__view__findpost__p__111809
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/26365-anti-heathenism/page__pid__114004
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/14912-nazism-and-the-forum/page__view__findpost__p__44084
- ↑ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shield_wall&diff=prev&oldid=375780911
- ↑ 21.0 21.1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Youngy1979
- ↑ http://fstdt.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=pg&thread=7040&page=1
- ↑ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_deletion_sorting_by_country
- ↑ It is very doubtful that Lenin actually had any "Jewish heritage."
- ↑ 25.0 25.1 http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:RidendGuthlac.jpg
- ↑ Personal observation. Fine by me if they can't spell.
- ↑ http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/13707-primary-history-anglo-saxons/
- ↑ http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=8301
- ↑ http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:UepYoungyGuthlac.jpg
- ↑ Stormfront CAUTION: Neo-Nazi website.