Conservapedia talk:Conditions for a conservative Bible
 Update to Point 9
More respected and knowledgeable rationalwiki editors should change the commentary to point 9. Critics of Jehovah witnesses point out the that the "New World Translation" of the Bible produced by the Watchtower and Tract Society is a corrupted translation, depicting Hell as the common grave of all humanity and not a place of a torment.--184.108.40.206 18:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Citation, please? ListenerXTalkerX 18:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- I wish I learn to do those fancy inline citations. While this site, http://www.bible.ca/Jw-NWT.htm, may not be the most objective source fo criticism, it does list the many of the changes that Jehovah witness made to their "Bible", specifically changing the declaration in Matthew 25:46 of "everlasting punishment" to "everlasting cutting off". More curious users may want to compare the site with the NWT text itself at http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/index.htm .--220.127.116.11 17:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 update to point 2
I think that commentary on point could be improved by explaining that “casting lots” is method of distributing responsibilities randomly akin to drawing straws or rock-paper-scissors. In reviewing Catholic Study Bibles, I recall a list of every mention of casting lots and the first mention of casting lots is somewhere in Genesis when a patriarch uses it to distribute his wealth before his death. Casting lots was the way the crew determined that Jonah had done something to bring about the storm in Chapter 1, Verse 7. The disciples themselves cast lots in Acts 1:26 when “the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was counted with the eleven apostles” (New American Bible translation)
Claims that “gambling” are purged from Bibles are somewhat exaggerated. The English Standard Version (ESV) is a more literal translation of the bible so it will consistently contain strange expressions that a normal reader may not immediately understand, so “casting lots” stays “casting lots” in every mention. On the other hand, the New Living Translation (NLT) is more of a “thought-for-thought” translation so the same expressions are paraphrased into something the reader will immediately understand and “casting lots” can be changed to “gambled” at the translator’s will.
In such thought-for-thought translations, the translators can more easily introduce their own bias. In NLT Bibles the mentions of “casting lots” stays consistent until used in relation to the soldiers and the crucifixion: in Matthew 27:35 the “soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice” and the same is repeated in Mark 15:24, Luke 23:34, and john 19:24 all with asterisks to footnotes of “casting lots”. However, in Acts 1:26 states “then they cast lots, and in this way Matthias was chosen and became an apostle with the other eleven” (NLT).
Unfortunately, this is all original research if I understand this wiki correctly. The ESV translation has its own site at www.esv.org and I used the “ESV study bible” which has its own site at www.esvstudybible.org. For those curious about the legitimacy of bible translations, I recommend the “About Bible Translations” at www.christianbook.com.--18.104.22.168 17:21, 24 October 2009 (UTC)