Debate:Do Americans have a right to own firearms?
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::::I don't really understand your point. The DOI declared independance, and also provided a rational basis for this independance. The Constitution defined the government and enumerated the power of that government. Later, a Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution, which was a hot button topic, with some arguing that it was completely unnecessary in light of the DOI, and enumerated powers. {{User:HeartOfGold/handle}} 22:07, 30 July 2007 (CDT) | ::::I don't really understand your point. The DOI declared independance, and also provided a rational basis for this independance. The Constitution defined the government and enumerated the power of that government. Later, a Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution, which was a hot button topic, with some arguing that it was completely unnecessary in light of the DOI, and enumerated powers. {{User:HeartOfGold/handle}} 22:07, 30 July 2007 (CDT) | ||
| + | :Given that the BOR was ratified, and is a major part of modern american law, why did the framers, who thought out every word very carefully, mention a well-regulated militia??[[User:PalMD|--PalMD]][[User_Talk:PalMD|<sup>-Goatspeed!</sup>]] 22:10, 30 July 2007 (CDT) | ||
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Do Americans have a right to own firearms?
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Initial negotiations
- From the way the question is framed I'd guess it refers to small arms. But below what caliber - and why? And humans - presumably over - what - 15? So I also think the question needs to be sharpened up. I also feel the proposer needs to refine the question - not the respondents.--Bob_M (talk) 02:01, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
- I made this debate to appease others who wanted to debate. If you don't want to debate, fine...do some real research on the second amendment then. Heart♥GoldSwarm like a hive 21:04, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
Yes
HeartOfGold's shot
Yes. And the Bill of rights recognizes this right. However, like most of the "rights" in the Bill of Rights, the right to self defense exists whether or not a government recogizes it. Heart♥GoldSwarm like a hive 21:22, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
MountainTiger's qualification
Obviously yes, but the Second Amendment does not necessarily disallow regulation entirely.--MountainTiger 22:02, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
- Obviously, the Supreme Court and Congress agree. Also, the practical issue of regulation gets thorny. Heart♥GoldSwarm like a hive 22:04, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
No
- .."endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
- The Constitution makes no such similar claim.--PalMD-Goatspeed! 21:52, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
- I am confused. The Declaration of Independance and the Constitution are two different documents, but I do not understand how their difference led you to your "no" stance. Heart♥GoldSwarm like a hive 21:58, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
- "the right to self defense exists whether or not a government recogizes it"..a natural law argument, made in the Declaration, but explicitly left out of the Constitution in favor of a more detailed document.--PalMD-Goatspeed! 22:03, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
- I don't really understand your point. The DOI declared independance, and also provided a rational basis for this independance. The Constitution defined the government and enumerated the power of that government. Later, a Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution, which was a hot button topic, with some arguing that it was completely unnecessary in light of the DOI, and enumerated powers. Heart♥GoldSwarm like a hive 22:07, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
- "the right to self defense exists whether or not a government recogizes it"..a natural law argument, made in the Declaration, but explicitly left out of the Constitution in favor of a more detailed document.--PalMD-Goatspeed! 22:03, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
- I am confused. The Declaration of Independance and the Constitution are two different documents, but I do not understand how their difference led you to your "no" stance. Heart♥GoldSwarm like a hive 21:58, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
- Given that the BOR was ratified, and is a major part of modern american law, why did the framers, who thought out every word very carefully, mention a well-regulated militia??--PalMD-Goatspeed! 22:10, 30 July 2007 (CDT)