Evolution:A Christian's Faith

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Revision as of 20:57, 4 August 2007


The "insane crap" on the left side comes, believe it or not, from a "Science" textbook![1]

Introduction

As we have learned, both Creation and evolution must be accepted by faith. Neither is subject to human science, because no one but God was there at the beginning to observe what happened. One Christian has written the following statements to explain why her faith is in Creation rather than evolution.

Reality check

Claiming that things humans have not witnessed are matters of faith is ridiculous. For example, take a ship that sinks and no one survives, so there would be no one to witness it but "god". Just because only "god" witnessed it, does not mean scientists could not figure out the reason for the accident.

The statement also confuses evolution with the generation of life. Evolution has nothing to say about what happened "at the beginning" it tells us how life developed afterwards. That does not mean to say that there are are no scientific hypotheses about the generation of life - only that evolution does not cover the point.

What I Believe and Why

A. Why I Believe in Creation

1.

I believe in creation because I believe in God.

What we think and why

A. Why we think evolution explains the diversity of life on earth.

1.

I believe that science offers the most useful model for investigating the universe.

The statement to the left tells us absolutely nothing. It simply affirms itself. If she had told us why he believes in god it might have been a good start.

2.

I believe in Creation because I believe in God's Word. I do not believe God would lie to me.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:1

2.

I do not believe in Creationism because there is no scientific evidence to support it. It fails to explain basic observations in nature.

Yet again the statement is an unscientific statement of belief.

3.

I believe that God will give me an understanding of His creative work when I accept by faith that He is the creator.

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God.
Hebrews 11:3a

3.

I believe that science gives us the tools to understand the world around us. The world is amoral, as is science.

The author to the left gives another tedious restatement without proof.

4.

I believe in Creation because God gives me evidence in nature that his Word (the Bible) and His creation are in perfect agreement. Both are His work.

4.

Evidence cannot be tautology.

B. What I Believe about creation

1.

I believe that God began His creative work with nothing but Himself.

...so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Hebrews 11:3b

Unlike man when he makes something, God did not need materials to begin.

God + Nothing = Everything
Man + Nothing = Nothing

B. What we can say about creation

1.

Genesis 1:1 states that 'the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep(תְהֹ֑ום)'. The word also occurs in Genesis 7:11 and Isaiah 51:10 ('the springs of the great deep'). Its usage there would suggest that it was not 'nothing', as the text states, but, at the very least, some sort of space. Note that while Biblical quotations are not part of the scientific method, it has been stated that 'his Word (the Bible) and His creation are in perfect agreement. Both are His work.'. In other words, the author has stated that everything in the Bible is necessarily true, and thus contradicts themselves.

2.

I believe that when a person chooses not to believe God's Word, that person will usually believe evolution.

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Romans 1:25

2.

She's reading the same programming as Andrew Schlafly!

Unless the person is perhaps one of the 4.73 billion[2] who believe in some other mythical being apart from the Christian God.

3.

I believe that God commands us to study his creation (the natural world) in order to master it for our benefit and glory.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it.
Genesis 1:28a

3.

We study the universe in order to understand it because it's fun. We also would prefer not to subdue it, but coexist with it.

4.

I believe that as we obey God's command to study the natural world (through science), we see much evidence that God created.

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork.
Psalm 19:1

4.

You can believe what you want to believe, but you don't, have, to live like a refugee. The only evidence this editor sees presented are random Biblical quotations.

5.

I believe that God created people in His image, separate from other living things. He gave us each an eternal soul.

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:7

5.

While the author of the discussed passage deserves some credit for construing the passage as denoting the soul, this sadly puts it outside the realms of provability; while it may be true, and philosophical debates on it are possible, the idea of 'the soul' cannot be proved or disproved. It doesn't really have much of a bearing on the subject anyway.

6. I believe that God brought all things into existence by direct words and actions. His creating was not a process.

And God said, Let there be light.
And God said, Let there be a firmament.
Genesis 1:3a,6a
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Psalm 33:6,9

6.

(Note: in this quote - the uncapitalized "his" and "he" are sic!)

7.

I believe that God gave all living things the ability to reproduce themselves within their own kind.

Jack Sparrow?

8.

I believe that God gave the potential for variety within a specific kind.

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:11

9.

I believe that God stopped creating at the end of six days; the first law of thermodynamics describes this truth.

Thus the heavens and earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Genesis 2:1

10.

I believe that God is no longer creating anything; He is now preserving His physical creation. The first law of thermodynamics describes this truth.

Thou, even thou, art Lord alone; thou hast made heavan, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
Nehemiah 9:6

11.

I believe that the physical creation is gradually wearing out. This process started when Adam and Eve disobeyed God and their sin brought a curse on all of creation. The second law of thermodynamics describes this truth.

Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment [wear out gradually].
Psalm 102:25,26a

11.

See the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Also, chances are that a much better passage could be found in Ecclesiastes to illustrate "this truth". Although, the second law is more precise (and useful). Go figure.

12.

I believe that God will destroy this earth with fire and create a new heaven and earth. This change will be sudden.

As a vesture [clothing outfit] shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed.
Psalm 102:26b

C. Why I Do Not Believe in Evolution

1.

Evolution cannot answer my question, "Where did the world come from?"

C. Nobody asked you to "believe" in it.

1.

Evolution is not a theory about "where the world came from". That's probably why.

2.

Evolution is not scientific. The study of science requires


a. something to observe and analyze and record
b. someone to do the observing, analyzing, and recording
c. the ability to repeat this scientific work

In the beginning, the only personality present was God, therefore, He is the only One qualified to answer my question.

Which makes more sense.jpg

2.

Evolution is scientific:


a. check
b. check
c. check

Good scientists don't usually rely on unprovable concepts like God to prove things.

3.

Evolutionary ideas are not verified by scientific evidence.

3.

No, that's creationism. A classic case of psychological projection.

It's obvious that evolution is science see Disproving Evolution.

4.

Evolutionary ideas constantly change.

4.

Yes, evolutionary ideas DO constantly change, That's what makes it science, which attempts to build a verifiable model of the real world from empirical evidence, and not religion, which models a mostly-immaterial world on the basis of revelation.

5.

Evolutionary ideas are as varied as the individuals who think them up.

5.

The same can be said about creationism, so this doesn't make sense.

6.

Evolution must be accepted by faith. Faith in evolution is unjustified by works.

6.

Projection again!

References

  1. Science:Order & Reality. 1980,1993 Pensacola Christian College, A Beka Book. Pp. 377-381
  2. List of religious populations - this makes the big assumption in his favour that no Christian believes in evolution. This leaves at least 4.73 billion who, according to the author of the passage under discussion, all believe in evolution.
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