Editing Forum:Genetic evolution vs memetic evolution (LQT!)

From RationalWiki
Jump to: navigation, search


This page uses LiquidThreads. Beware that it sometimes looses posts when you preview or post. (Please help to fix or reproduce this bug, if you can.) The posts are usually (but not always) available when you press "Back" in your web browser.
Start a new discussion

Contents

Thread titleRepliesLast modified
SUBJ17715:50, 7 April 2011
Should there be a term for "voluntary eugenics"?020:26, 24 January 2011
Edited by 3 users.
Last edit: 15:50, 7 April 2011

"I am a machine built to propagate my genes. Not yours, not society's best, mine. That's what I'm built to do, that is my purpose, my raison d'etre. This is why I want to have my children with my genes. Any other arrangement, whether rational or not, simply won't be acceptable. End of. Jack Hughes (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)"[1]

<monotone> Errrrr, I am Lumenati ReasonDiva 8000. According to my sensors your lumenator has malfunctioned.</monotone> You don't seem like one who would consider themselves to be a "social darwinist" so this must be some new fashionable scientificish evolutionary theory? Could you please explain how you came to the conclusion that you are "a machine built to propagate [your] genes"? ~ Lumenos (talk) 21:55, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
~ Lumenos (talk)21:55, 10 January 2011

Lumenos, I am only going to say this once. You are a fucking nut.

- π22:31, 10 January 2011

Well you aren't helping me understand anything without pointing out some flaw in my reazoning.

~ Lumenos (talk)22:36, 10 January 2011
 

In the absence of a like button here's a "+1"

Scarlet A.pngpostate23:05, 10 January 2011
 

Read the Selfish Gene by Dawkins. It gets even more interesting though. It turns out that there can be interchromosomal competition between genes in the same organism. In highly polygamous species the male chromosome often develops genes that try and over extract resources from the mother, while the mother's chromosomes try and suppress this.

I can dig up some specific papers on this if you want. One of my favorite demonstrations of it was two sub-species of mice, one was highly polygamous the other monogamous. They could interbreed though. If you took a polygamous male mated with a monogamous female you wound up with giant babies, if you did the reverse you wound up with scrawny under nourished babies. This gets into the Red Queen's race issues of signaling, but its intra-organism selection.

Tmtoulouse (talk)22:43, 10 January 2011

Que? I don't know that mice have any understanding of the future consequences of who breeds how and when, thus I don't understand how that proves that Jack Hughes is programed to propagate his genes.

Is it possible Jack has been programed by some sort of "education"?

~ Lumenos (talk)03:14, 11 January 2011

Individuals are a product of genes, the traits that genes encode for are traits that increased the propagation of the gene that encodes that trait.

Tmtoulouse (talk)03:19, 11 January 2011

Isn't that kinda like saying computers are the product of hardware?

~ Lumenos (talk)03:34, 11 January 2011

No, it is like saying computers are the product of the machines that built them. You might try looking up the meanings of the words "genotype" and "phenotype."

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX04:57, 11 January 2011
 
 
 
 
Ceiling cat.jpg W A R N I N G

You are not logged in. Your IP address will be recorded in this page's edit history, and will be visible to anyone. See our privacy policy for further information. To protect your privacy, please log in or create an account

Please note that all contributions to RationalWiki are considered to be released under the CC-BY-SA 3.0, or any later version (see RationalWiki:Copyrights for details). If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here.
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource.
Do not submit copyrighted work unless you have permission.

Cancel | Editing help (opens in new window)
Your changes will be visible immediately.

Please note:
 

Should there be a term for "voluntary eugenics"?

Currently the RationalWiki article on eugenics has a section called "Modern eugenics" and a distinction is made between "private voluntary eugenics" and "mandatory eugenics". The fact checkers have aimed two "[citation needed]s" suggesting that such terms are not found in a wp:reliable source, or something. Some might argue that aborting a fetus for a genetic flaw, would not be completely voluntary for the fetus. Perhaps a better term would be "pro-choice eugenics".

~ Lumenos (talk)20:26, 24 January 2011
Personal tools
Namespaces

Variants
Actions
Navigation
Community
Tools
support