Forum:Nonviolence, non-coercion, non-destruction vs COMMUNIST REVOLUTION NOW!!!!!
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:::''If he actually gave a shit about what he preached, he'd be teaching poor kids in an inner city school, at least.'' Yes, clearly people who are committed to the communist cause do not do nasty reactionary things such as [[Essay:Wherein you ask me about intelligence, international politics and the war on terror|enlisting as a jackbooted thug in a murder squad]]. {{User:ListenerX/sig0}} 03:44, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | :::''If he actually gave a shit about what he preached, he'd be teaching poor kids in an inner city school, at least.'' Yes, clearly people who are committed to the communist cause do not do nasty reactionary things such as [[Essay:Wherein you ask me about intelligence, international politics and the war on terror|enlisting as a jackbooted thug in a murder squad]]. {{User:ListenerX/sig0}} 03:44, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Witness how LX, the ultra-capitalist judges a poor kid for wanting a 10k sign up bonus, which would be far more than he ever had in his life. Amazing! Maybe if people like him would just shut the fuck up, poor Latinos wouldn't have to turn to murder for money.[[User:UncleHo|UncleHo]] ([[User talk:UncleHo|talk]]) 05:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | ::::Witness how LX, the ultra-capitalist judges a poor kid for wanting a 10k sign up bonus, which would be far more than he ever had in his life. Amazing! Maybe if people like him would just shut the fuck up, poor Latinos wouldn't have to turn to murder for money.[[User:UncleHo|UncleHo]] ([[User talk:UncleHo|talk]]) 05:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | ||
| − | :::::::"Maybe if people like him would just shut the fuck up, poor Latinos wouldn't have to turn to murder for money." I'm sorry, but that is the most bullshit statement I have ever | + | :::::::"Maybe if people like him would just shut the fuck up, poor Latinos wouldn't have to turn to murder for money." I'm sorry, but that is the most bullshit statement I have ever seen. The fact is that Communism has a wonderful history of not working and, in fact, working conrary to Marx's intent. Marx's intent was for ''the people'' to rise up and have power. However, in situations and place's like Castro's Cuba (granted, Batista was no better), people have no power or wealth and, instead, all the power that should be for ''the people'' is conrolled by an oppressive dictator. Thus you have economic strife and poverty, which, ironically, is what communism purports to be a solution to. {{User:Gooniepunk2010/sig|}} 16:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC) |
:::::In your own words, nobody held a gun to your head and made you enlist. {{User:ListenerX/sig0}} 05:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | :::::In your own words, nobody held a gun to your head and made you enlist. {{User:ListenerX/sig0}} 05:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::Glad you're back, LX. I need a hardline conservative cracker to show how right I am. Without your crazy ramblings, I look stupid![[User:UncleHo|UncleHo]] ([[User talk:UncleHo|talk]]) 06:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | ::::::Glad you're back, LX. I need a hardline conservative cracker to show how right I am. Without your crazy ramblings, I look stupid![[User:UncleHo|UncleHo]] ([[User talk:UncleHo|talk]]) 06:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | ||
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From our discussion on WikiLeaks, UncleHo writes, "I don't need my own plan, as Mao Zedong and Ho Chi Minh wrote perfectly good ones. Why mess with perfection? All the leaked documents and marches in the world will never get anything done. Never have. No social movement has created significant change without at the very least, the credible threat of violence, if not an outright armed insurgency.UncleHo (talk) 18:15, 17 December 2010 (UTC)"
- Ho Chi tie me to tree with gun fo three month! I have to eat roach I find and... ~ Wong (in karate attire) (talk)
- Wong please, allow me. Let's pretend that before the following gentlemen commited any civil disobedience, they requested the advice of those Sinospherian cawmyanists. If you wouldn't mind to summon their spirits now, what would they have told the following people to do differently:
- WikiLeaks or OpenLeaks
- Daniel Ellsberg
- John Stockwell
- Noam Chomsky (who has praised one of Ho Chi Minh's successors, incidently)
- Ghandi
- ~ Lumenos (talk) 00:31, 18 sDecember 2010 (UTC)
- WikiLeaks or OpenLeaks They're doing what they set out to do, which is leak the information given to them. What people chose to do upon finding out this information (Read: Nothing) is not their fault. While some attempts to organize people could be made, it's understandable that Wikileaks council wants to keep a low profile.
- Daniel Ellsberg See the above.
- John Stockwell I have respect for John Stockwell. I would have more if he used his training to hold some of the people responsible for the CIA's crimes accountable.
- Noam Chomsky (who has praised one of Ho Chi Minh's successors, incidently) I wish Chomsky would shut up already. I have no idea why I am supposed to think that a multi-millionaire who has spent his entire life living in wealth unimaginable to the vast majority of all people who have ever lived is some sort of leftist hero. No one put a gun to his head and told him to teach the elite of the elite at what is quite possibly the single most prestigious (And therefore oppressive) university in the world. If he actually gave a shit about what he preached, he'd be teaching poor kids in an inner city school, at least.
- Ghandi Ahh yes, another of the West's great "leftist" heroes. Let me tell you the truth about Gandhi. First, you must understand that the Indian freedom struggle existed long before he joined. We can really trace the postwar movement back to 1857, when a huge revolution almost kicked the British out of India (Before they slaughtered several million people, razed Delhi to the ground and broke the backs of Muslim leaders.) Although the British won, they left the embers behind, which continually smoldered until they were fanned not by Gandhi, but by Indian Socialists. They had been organizing, educating and agitating before Gandhi joined. At first, he was simply upset because the British wouldn't allow him an officer commission in South Africa (Yes, the great pacifist hero only became such after being denied the chance to wage a colonial war on other people. Let that sink in for a while) and was a fairly minor part of the movement for some time. Then, after the war, the British were at an impasse. They lacked the strength to fight the Indians, but they didn't want to actually give up their power over the country. Enter Gandhi. Gandhi is a classic "our guy" which is the moderate who will give the people the illusion of change without actually changing anything but the face of the oppressor. Martin Luther King was an unwilling "our guy" (Once he realized he was being played, he was murdered) and was used to keep the scary Malcolm X from gaining too much traction. I digress, however. Gandhi played right into the hands of the British. He marched around, drumming up publicity and spreading his own racist rethoric loosely disguised as some sort of pseudo-holy preaching. He was the perfect stooge, even going so far as to sell out people like Baghat Singh and others who didn't agree with his approach. In the end, he was killed, as "our guy" always is when he ceases to be useful, and lo and behold, nothing changed until the better Gandhi came to power. If I had a time machine and one bullet, I would use it on Gandhi before anyone else. The damage that man did to subsequent freedom struggles with his bullshit is immeasurable.UncleHo (talk) 00:55, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- If he actually gave a shit about what he preached, he'd be teaching poor kids in an inner city school, at least. Yes, clearly people who are committed to the communist cause do not do nasty reactionary things such as enlisting as a jackbooted thug in a murder squad.
ListenerXTalkerX 03:44, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Witness how LX, the ultra-capitalist judges a poor kid for wanting a 10k sign up bonus, which would be far more than he ever had in his life. Amazing! Maybe if people like him would just shut the fuck up, poor Latinos wouldn't have to turn to murder for money.UncleHo (talk) 05:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- "Maybe if people like him would just shut the fuck up, poor Latinos wouldn't have to turn to murder for money." I'm sorry, but that is the most bullshit statement I have ever seen. The fact is that Communism has a wonderful history of not working and, in fact, working conrary to Marx's intent. Marx's intent was for the people to rise up and have power. However, in situations and place's like Castro's Cuba (granted, Batista was no better), people have no power or wealth and, instead, all the power that should be for the people is conrolled by an oppressive dictator. Thus you have economic strife and poverty, which, ironically, is what communism purports to be a solution to. The Spikey Punk I'm punking my punk! 16:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- In your own words, nobody held a gun to your head and made you enlist.
ListenerXTalkerX 05:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Witness how LX, the ultra-capitalist judges a poor kid for wanting a 10k sign up bonus, which would be far more than he ever had in his life. Amazing! Maybe if people like him would just shut the fuck up, poor Latinos wouldn't have to turn to murder for money.UncleHo (talk) 05:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- No change is major if somebody doesn't get killed. --85.76.130.107 (talk) 16:54, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Chomsky
I made new thread, as I prefer to do when we wander from the topic. Forum:Noam Chomsky: anointed one or miserly tool of The Man? ~ Lumenos (talk) 16:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)