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Another option is to copy everything from [[wp:MediaWiki:Common.css]], but I don't know whether Wikipedia's version contains extra stuff that could create problems. I only need a subset of what Wikipedia has in their Common.css. Thank you. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 16:04, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
 
Another option is to copy everything from [[wp:MediaWiki:Common.css]], but I don't know whether Wikipedia's version contains extra stuff that could create problems. I only need a subset of what Wikipedia has in their Common.css. Thank you. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 16:04, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
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:Thanks to [[User:Tmtoulouse]] for fixing {{Tl|talkheader}} by [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template%3ATalkheader&diff=68369&oldid=68350 manually importing the style], and then by updating [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. You folks are incredibly responsive. [[User talk:Teratornis|Let me know]] when my suggestions get annoying. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 17:31, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
  
 
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=Talk about the page itself=

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Contents

Q&A from front page

Should we delete some of these questions once they've been answered specially if they're facile or not of further interest (bum!) (back button) (edit toolbox) Keep to yourself 23:32, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Only if they are no longer relevant (back button) (help link in navbox). Many people still need to know about the BDA and their crimes upon my person. Stick 'em in an archive? humanbe in 23:51, 25 August 2007 (CDT)

How do you edit the toolbox

I know you can edit the navigation box at Mediawiki:Sidebar but how do you edit the toolbox? You can set the Common.css to not display it at all, and I think monobook.php has some of the toolbox code stored. But what the heck? Way to confusing. Anyone know more about this? tmtoulouse frustrate 13:04, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

I'm fairly certain that it's simply an issue of modifying monobook.php and main.css. I'll go test it on my local installation of MW. --Linus(plot evil tech) 17:41, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

How do I make a "screen shot" image?

On a PC, type your "Print Screen/SysReq" button, then Paste (generally CTRL-V) into another application. "Alt-Print Screen" copies only the current window.

Mac (from wp:Screenshot) "Pressing Command-Shift-3 takes a screenshot of the entire screen, and Command-Shift-4 takes a screenshot of a chosen area of the screen or if you press Space afterwards you can choose a window on the screen to individually screenshot. These images are saved to the desktop, but if you hold down the control key with the rest of the keyboard shortcut, the pictures are copied to the clipboard instead. These shortcuts also work in Mac OS Classic." Sterileblah, blah, blah 14:29, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Excellent, thank you very much!!! humanbe in 14:37, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Also there are loads of free downloadable progs (windows!) that enable capture of the full screen or just the current window - google 'screen shot program' or 'screen capture program' - over 25000 responses Keep to yourself 23:30, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Can this article be added to the navigation box?

Apparently, yes, it can, and it has been. humanbe in 14:46, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

How do I put in a smart "Back" button?

Is it possible to put something on a page that will auto bounce back to the previous page ie - like clicking the back button on the browser? KeepYour legs together! 06:55, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

How about the back button? ThunderkatzHo! 09:43, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

This code should place a back button on the page that will go back to the previous page in the browser history:

{{#form: {{#input:type=button|value=Back|onClick= var summary=''; history.go(-1); }} }}

Best to copy it from the "edit" screen, not this screen.

tmtoulouse frustrate 13:01, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Assuming I've done it right, it don't do it: User_talk:SusanG/newelc if it did I'd try to put the meat of it into a "redirect" target: #Redirect[[history.go(-1)]] ?

KeepMe informed 18:36, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

It does work, maybe its just not work on your system. Does it support forms? The "meat" won't work like that in a redirect, tell me what you want to do and I can come up with something. 24.141.169.255 18:38, 16 August 2007 (CDT)
It doesn't work for me. Mozilla 1.7.13 on XP Pro. Maybe it needs a "return=true" line. That's what my perl stuff always needs. humanbe in 19:04, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Essentially wot I wanted to do (I can't remember why now!) was effectively to render a page unreachable by bouncing anyone who landed on it back to where they came from - like a redirect but backwards. Don't reely matter anyway. (The form appears - just doesn't work as it shud - yes I do have 'history' on my system - I use it alla time.) KeepMe informed 19:21, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

OK, not even wondering what the point is, now I see what you wanted. I don't think anyone realized that. Why would one want a page with more than one link to it that cannot be reached? And maybe we should discuss things on "talk" and move them here when they are a succinct Q&A? humanbe in 19:42, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Dentist/bum

Either (a) because the dentist has interfered with your rear while you were unconcious or (b) because you instinctively thrust down (away) when hands, drills, needles etc. approach your mouth causing pressure on your fundament. KeepMe informed 23:29, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, well, considering what he/she charges, I would prefer to remain awake for the pleasure! humanbe in 23:57, 16 August 2007 (CDT)
umm.. I think I missed something.. not quite what I expected to see on the help page... LOL. but, carry on.. carry on... :p Refugeetalk page 15:05, 24 August 2007 (CDT)
Nobody expects... oh, bugger! humanbe in 15:26, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

How can I create a banner?

How can I create a banner like the pseudoscience one? --BobDo you agree? 12:41, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

easiest way is to copy the coding from template:pseudoscience, then change the wording and coloring to what you want. ThunderkatzHo! 12:44, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

Can this page be automated? Code wizard challenge!

Is the following possible:

A form that accepts a help query and then:

  1. creates a new (/) sub page with the query as title;
  2. inserts a return link on the sub page;
  3. repeats the question as a link ([[help page/the question]]) to the sub page on the help page.

Susan Jayne Garlicktalk 08:02, 6 September 2007 (CDT)

I bet it is possible, and it's an interesting idea, however, cleaning up after a vandal (or worse yet, a bot) using it would really suck... also, what about poorly worded/mispelled questions? We aren't all always perfectly litret on here! humanbe in 13:30, 6 September 2007 (CDT)

Math formatting

I'd like to create some science and math articles, and it appears that RW doesn't have the standard formatting tools. \sqrt{3} WP, and even CP, have this. There is no page math/README. Is there some way I can help? Gauss 15:37, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

We are on the verge of paying siteground for the tech backup to install the "math" markup you are familiar with. Two suggestions to speed it up: 1. Pester user:tmtoulouse and 2. make a small donation if you can. We all want to be able to use it! humanbe in 15:39, 7 September 2007 (CDT)
All hail Trent and RW 2.1 !!!! We gots "math"s now! humanbe in 12:34, 11 September 2007 (MDT)
\Gamma(Awesome+1)
\frac{\sqrt{8\,\sum_{i=1}^{thanks}\,i\  +\  1}\ -\ 1}{2}
Gauss 12:35, 12 September 2007 (MDT)

Ah Vienna. Don't work for me but that's me! SJGsjg 12:39, 12 September 2007 (MDT)

See also

This thing I found - not quite a help file, but it lists a lot of LaTeX markup: TEX/Favorites. humanbe in 16:57, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

What should be entered as the "destination file name" when uploading?

Some wiki's auto fill the destination. --ИїģḥŤŗáìṇ ♦Τάļќ ǃ 16:49, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

This one does, too - with the filename on the uploader's computer, which might not be the best one to use. It can be overwritten by the uploader easily; just don't mess up the file type. As with any file system, it helps to come up with a good intuitive name for the image. humanbe in 16:53, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
Err, I was just trying, and no, nothing was filled in the box for me once I selected the file. :-( But you did answer my question, however in your clever, all-inclusive post! So I just leave the extension alone and give it my own, short home skoolued name! --ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ♦Τάļќ ǃ 16:57, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

Text in uploaded SVG files

I've been having less than good luck uploading SVG diagrams with text in them. The text doesn't show. I finally downloaded a file from WP [1] that has text, and uploaded it here [2]. Sure 'nuff, the text is missing. Can anyone help? Gauss 12:44, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

What prog are you creating the files in? Susantalk to me 13:40, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

The ones that I created for the relativity article were made with Inkscape. After the first one [3] didn't work, I had Inkscape export in "plain" svg format [4] instead of "Inkscape svg", in case there was some proprietary stuff going on. No luck. I zoomed it up in case the text was too small for the software to notice. No luck. Finally, I downloaded the thing from WP trigonometry. That one was not made by me, and presumably not made by Inkscape—it has a different looking background. But it doesn't show text on RW either, even though the CP version shows the text and the text is visible when I read it into Inkscape. Gauss 14:34, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Dunno inkscape, you got illustrator? If so try a load/export - you get loads of choices with font subsets etc. If not - dunno - sorry. Susantalk to me 14:51, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
As a short-term "fix", why not convert them to .gif or .png and load them that way for now? And maybe I'll remember to play with Inkscape myself to see if I can tell why it does/doesn't work... humanbe in 16:46, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
Interesting data point - I saved the reltest svg linke above to my computer, and when I open it in Inkscape, the text is there. I think you might somehow be losing a layer - or, rather, leaving it hidden? Or behind an opaque background? humanbe in 16:54, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Could we have some style classes?

Hopefully this is a simple request. I would like a RationalWiki administrator to copy the style class definitions from this page:

to this page on RationalWiki:

Then RationalWiki will have a useful subset of style classes from wp:MediaWiki:Common.css, enabling things such as: {{Talkheader}} to display correctly. Reference:

Another option is to copy everything from wp:MediaWiki:Common.css, but I don't know whether Wikipedia's version contains extra stuff that could create problems. I only need a subset of what Wikipedia has in their Common.css. Thank you. --Teratornis 16:04, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Thanks to User:Tmtoulouse for fixing {{talkheader}} by manually importing the style, and then by updating MediaWiki:Common.css. You folks are incredibly responsive. Let me know when my suggestions get annoying. --Teratornis 17:31, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Talk about the page itself

Human I like this (Hint: Copy what you like the look of.) better without the explanation. I'm gonna shift it unless I hear from you in the next 600 seconds. 599, 598, 597 ....

Keep-»-»-» on running -»-»-» 15:44, 13 August 2007 (CDT)

I just got back in... So, you want it as a joke, then, right? I'm ok with that, but why not call the link "goat" instead of "hint"? I'd give ya ten mins to answer except we know your GPS won;t let you do so that quickly! I may just go change it to goat, now... humanbe in 19:11, 13 August 2007 (CDT)
Good job on the help pages! Refugeetalk page

looks quite good

It don't half look ok now don't it? All hail the formatting & clear mind of Human! Keep-»-»-» on running -»-»-» 19:47, 13 August 2007 (CDT)

Not by half, innit, yeah... nice work writing up all them subfiles! Now no one will ever have any questions... humanbe in 20:35, 13 August 2007 (CDT)

archive

Human, can you play with an 'archive' button to dump old & useless bits (like the back button) in when they've proved pointless like this.? KeepMe informed 20:18, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

I actually simply deleted allthe talk before it was supposed to work. That's why I suggested talking about solutions here. We need to improve the main page so it says "ask questions in talk" to keep the main page "clean" but save all the b*shit. humanbe in 22:09, 16 August 2007 (CDT)
I understand how annoying it is when people who haven't done the work suggest more work to the people who did, but I'm wondering why RationalWiki's Help desk does not mimic the Help desk on Wikipedia a bit more. Over on Wikipedia, they have a pretty nice Help desk setup, with a bot that automatically archives off the old questions, and since their Help desk page is Wikipedia:Help desk, they have an actual talk page for discussing improvements to the Help desk itself. (It is a bit non-orthogonal that Wikipedia's Help desk page is not technically a talk page yet it follows the talk page guidelines, but everybody who asks questions is so confused anyway that they don't usually complain.) Plus they break out the boilerplate content into a header subpage and so on. I'm pretty active on Wikipedia's Help desk (with over 1,700 edits there, making me the second-most help(desk)ful Wikipedian by volume at the moment) but I don't know that much about the underlying guts. Although I could probably figure it out if I had to. Anyway, it seems that since there will always be a need to talk about one's Help desk in addition to talking on it, you might consider making:
  • RationalWiki:Help desk
to be the Help desk, and then:
  • RationalWiki talk:Help desk
would be the proper talk page about the Help desk. That should be easy enough to implement without disrupting much. Then later you might think about organizing the Help desk by month and day like they do on Wikipedia's Help desk. (In my just-over-a-year of administering some MediaWiki wikis, I've learned to live by the adage, "Wikipedia is (usually) smarter than you are." I.e., it's best to try to copy/steal stuff from Wikipedia than to reinvent my own inferior lumpy square wheels. Not that I'm suggesting for an instant that your wheels are anything less than perfectly round and true, at least to my lumpy eyes.) --Teratornis 15:25, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
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