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The chicken coop is for the avoidance, containment and resolution of cases of Headless Chicken Mode (HCM). Despite the name, this tends to be serious business.

This page can be used for reporting cases of administrative abuse (abuse of sysop or moderator abilities such as blocking, page deletion, or user rights management), general abuse (such as trolling, wandalism, and personal attacks), and conflicts which cannot be solved through normal talk page discussion (such as longstanding edit wars or article content disputes).

Please try to resolve conflicts with other editors directly through discussion on their user talk page before reporting them at the chicken coop. If you do report an editor's behaviour here, please leave a message on their talk page to alert them to this, so that they have a chance to discuss their actions here.

All editors are welcome to comment on the cases raised here, and to try to reach a consensus on any action to be taken. If no consensus can be reached, and the HCM seems to be escalating, moderators are expected to take some action. However, any serious or permanent solution, such as removal of rights or lengthy ban, requires a community vote here according to the guidelines laid out in our Community Standards.

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Reckless Noise Symphony

Reckless Noise Symphony, a tech, just put me in sysoprevoke, because he doesn't believe I'm sysop material. At the heart of this dispute is a disagreement between the two of us about libelous content on RationalWiki. Now, what I've actually done so far is revert Former Editor (aka Nutty Roux) twice on Talk:Kevin Martin. After David Gerard told me to stop, I stopped. What followed was basically a lot of arguing. Much arguing, no action- at least on my part. Eventually, Reckless Noise Symphony once more decided I shouldn't be a sysop, and went so far as to place me in sysoprevoke. Later, he was coaxed into taking me out of sysoprevoke. Today, he decided again to place me in sysoprevoke, because I continue to not agree with him. He believes I should not be a sysop on this basis.

I believe that he is misusing his tech powers. He has misused his tech powers before: when Ace McWicked moderator powers were removed by Weaseloid [1] because he had removed Blue's moderator powers and tried desysopping Nx and some other users, RNS restored Ace's moderator powers,[2] who then went on to stage a "coup" of sorts, removing everybody's moderator powers but his own- See October 20

On this basis, it seems to me that Reckless Noise Symphony is abusing his tech powers, and that whether or not he should have them needs to be re-evaluated.--"Shut up, Brx." 04:33, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

The RationalWiki Chicken Coop has no authority over this matter, for the reasons I am about to state. The issue started when somebody republished raw information on talk:Kevin Martin that was libelous, even if it was critical. This is still classified as libelous information under the law, and the RationalMedia Foundation could be found liable for publishing it for reasons that, being as they are under the RMF's attorney-client privlege, nobody wants to specify on RationalWiki. However, numerous current and former RMF trustees have agreed that the information is legally threatening to the RMF and, as such, wanted it removed. Nutty Roux originally removed the content, and was edit warred by Brxbrx over it. At that point, others (including myself, Sterile, and David Gerard, all who are or have been intimately involved in RationalMedia Foundation business) affirmed that there was a good reason the content was removed. However, Brxbrx continued to war with us over it for some stupid, unknown, selfish reason. As a result, I originally removed his sysop rights and brought it before the Moderators, because he is arguing that content that is legally liable for the RMF to host was good content that we should host. I was warred with by User:Tielec01, and as such felt it was better to abuse my tech authority than to leave this website in a position to be sued. After Brxbrx pretended to back down, I stopped going on the offensive and allowed his rights to be restored. However, after he didn't understand Nutty's legal reasoning (albeit, it was vague], he continued to insist he was right. I gave him a link to partial reasoning as to why he was wrong (again, respecting the RMF's legal privlege], and he went away for a few days, so I didn't do anything more. Then, he came back today and continued to troll about the legal issues that he knows shit about but is trying to question. In my opinion, this is toxic behavior which puts the entire Wiki at risk. Given previous wars with Tielec and co., I desysopped him and added him to the "revoked" group not because I wanted to abuse my authority, but because it was in the best interests of the Wiki to do so, and given the obsolescence of the Moderators combined with prior experience, I felt I had no other choice. Brxbrx is a toxic troll hell-bent on seeing RationalWiki sued into oblivion. Don't let him fool you into thinking otherwise. Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 05:25, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
"Brxbrx is a toxic troll hell-bent on seeing RationalWiki sued into oblivion." Now that is the kind of hard-hitting testimony this case needs. Wow, that settles it. User:Reckless Noise Symphony has unveiled my master plan. I'm trying to get the wiki "sued into oblivion." Yup. Years of editing, creating articles, taking part in discussions with the community on the WIGOs, in the Saloon Bar, all this was to end in the culmination of the RationalMedia Foundation get sued into oblivion.
Why such perfidy? Weren't you listening, it's because I'm a toxic troll! The worst kind of troll! All that trying to improve articles, making new ones, trying to help other editors, it's all a part of the plan, and don't you let me fool you into thinking otherwise. That just done make sense, doesn't it?--"Shut up, Brx." 06:20, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Further Update

RNS has, further to the above, vandal binned, banned and removed auto-patrolled user rights from Brx. There is no doubt RNS has good intentions, but if I can be excused a little poetic licence (and given the bombastic language above I feel I should be), the road to hell is paved with god intentions. RNS has admitted that he is abusing his power as a tech - this power is meant to be for updating the filter or other tech powers, not over-riding the wishes of his fellow sysops. Brx poses no imminent danger to the wiki except the unspecified toxic troll hell-bent on seeing RationalWiki sued into oblivion. which speaks more to RNS's hatred of Brx than any actual reason to be banned or de-sysopped. The edit-warring that Brx engaged in was wrong and he has not repeated that behaviour. His only crime is to ask RNS to justify his position - which RNS finds so affronting that he has deemed it neccessary to abuse his powers so as not to have to deal with it. RNS has done good work on wiki, for the spam filter and for the board, I don't think he should lose his tech rights but he should be reminded that abusing his tech powers is wrong no matter how confident he is that his opinion over-rides all others. In the meantime I can't do much, as I am not a tech myself, so I will unban Brx so he is at least allowed to comment on RNS's accusations. Tielec01 (talk) 05:53, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Apologies RNS did not remove auto-patrolled user rights as I originally said above. Tielec01 (talk) 05:55, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
There is NO reason to engage Brxbrx in a debate. He is hell bent on us divulging things that put the RMF in a bad legal position. I won't respond to what he wants for that very reason, and also because I am not a representative of the RMF, just acting in its interests. He has given zero reason why the RMF divulging legally hazardous information is of any importance to him, other than that RNS and Nutty Roux are apparently bad people who he doesn't trust. Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 06:01, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay... Unidentified meteorology website owner on whom we have an article accuses an equally unidentified critic of being a sex offender, likely as retaliation for being a critic, since the unidentified meteorology website owner on whom we have an article has a history of making vile personal attacks against any who oppose him. This was recorded on RationalWiki, until RNS saw fit to remove it, because it is libelous. Forgive my vague identifiers, RNS seems eager for any excuse to revert and oversight me, so if I name names, he'll claim we'll get sued for it, and another edit war will ensue.
RNS refuses to specify what exactly is libelous about the content
  • That we recorded Unidentified meteorology website owner on whom we have an article's absurd accusation, and that we are at risk of said website owner suing us because we linked to his site where he clearly made the claim? Hopefully that's not it, because that would mean anything we post on RationalWiki critical of an individual along with evidence is grounds for a lawsuit
  • That we recorded the claim against the unidentified critic, in the context that it was preposterous and unjustified, and that the unidentified critic might sue us for this? There's no reason to believe the unidentified critic would do that, and besides, libel implies either malice or reckless disregard for the truth- which is not the case here.
So what is the specific issue, RNS? Use vague identifiers if you must, but right now you are proving nothing. You are backing up nothing. You are just setting fire to everything, shooting at whatever moves.
Identify the issue.--"Shut up, Brx." 06:14, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
I believe libel and defamation law are far more complex and difficult quagmires than you seem to think, even in a country that's as liberal on the subject as the U.S. is. That is all I'll say on this matter. - Grant (talk) 06:17, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
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