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Am I the only one who cracked up at the "Sent from my iPhone" bit at the end? [[User:Raysenn|<font color=#1111FF>'''|₹Λ¥$€₦₦'''</font>]] [[image:Star_of_David.png|12px|link=Special:Block/Raysenn]] [[User_talk:Raysenn|<sup>''I've got canned heat in my heels tonight</sup>]] 01:27, 11 December 2015 (UTC) | Am I the only one who cracked up at the "Sent from my iPhone" bit at the end? [[User:Raysenn|<font color=#1111FF>'''|₹Λ¥$€₦₦'''</font>]] [[image:Star_of_David.png|12px|link=Special:Block/Raysenn]] [[User_talk:Raysenn|<sup>''I've got canned heat in my heels tonight</sup>]] 01:27, 11 December 2015 (UTC) | ||
| + | :"Sent while taking a shit" [[User:Reverend Black Percy|Reverend Black Percy]] ([[User talk:Reverend Black Percy|talk]]) 02:49, 11 December 2015 (UTC) | ||
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The chicken coop is for the avoidance, containment and resolution of cases of Headless Chicken Mode (HCM). Despite the name, this tends to be serious business.
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Vordrak
Bluntly put, Vordrak, a known Gamergate troll has shown up and I have decided to permablock them on site. This is because, while I have little interest in Gamergate, their antics on Wikipedia are very familiar to me. While it is generally the practice of this Wiki to ignore peoples' lives outside from RationalWiki, I know from my experience with them on Wikipedia that nothing possibly good can come of allowing them here and, indeed, we'll only have lots of harassment of editors to come. As such, I made the arbitrary decision to ban them on sight. If anybody has a problem with that, please look up their antics on Wikipedia and see for yourself that they are repeating that behavior here. If you still have a problem with it, then we can discuss it. But just know that I am very much acting in the best interests of my fellow RationalWikians here. Thank you. Gooniepunk (talk) 13:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Just so it is clear, Vordrak's antics include doxing editors and then smearing them as pedophiles. He's got no morals at all. Typhoon (talk) 13:14, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Completely irrelevant, what he did outside of RW. If he does something bad here, we sanction him, but until then, we should act under the presumption of innocence. And permabans are almost not done here.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 13:13, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- I normally wouldn't ban people on-sight, but if you look through their history on Wikipedia, you'll see the same patterns of behavior here. I was intimately familiar with what went down over there, and am fearful as fuck of it repeating itself here. We don't need it. Just trust me, I'd love to go about RationalWiki's normal routine on this one, but of all the Wikipedia trolls I've encountered, this one is particularly scary and dangerous. Gooniepunk (talk) 13:22, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with this decision. - Kitsunelaine 「Beware. The foxgirls are coming.」 13:14, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- There may be BLP issues w.r.t. the Timeline article, but Vordrak is not someone who would raise them in good faith or who could be trusted to present facts truthfully. Edits so far are arguably already ban-worthy. An indefinite block, without talkpage, seems a step too far as a first step. But if we decide to be more lenient we should certainly be prepared to shut them down fully and with finality if they get up to any of their usual tricks here. Off-RW behaviour is normally ignored, but if there is to be an exception then the potential for RW to be used as a platform for harassment or doxxing would be one of them. I also wouldn't want to see Vordrak become the centre of another saga of tendentious argumentation, point-missing and recycling of PRATTs, as we've seen before from the GG camp, if only because it's so terribly boring now. On the other hand, if other editors want to bat idiots like this from paw to paw, go hog wild. Queexchthonic murmurings 13:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- If a member in good standing says they are well-familiar with the outrageous misbehavior of a newbie from another site, I support taking that strongly into account. (The character and judgment of the proposing editor are placed at issue, and in this case the assessment is positive.) Like many if not most absolutes, a complete unwillingness to consider behavior elsewhere is dumb. I would only suggest that Vordrak be binned and see how s/he behaves. If after a week the editing isn't outrageous s/he could be unbinned. This wiki has had enough drama and we are entitled to protect our environment from known bad-faith asshats.---Mona- (talk) 15:02, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Speaking as a mod: +1 to this. Holy shit we don't need this asshole here - David Gerard (talk) 15:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- If the Ruylong debacle taught me anything, it's that those who have shown a pattern of sourcable wiki-destructive behaviour over long periods of time have burned their bridges. I mean, it's not that hard to start anew with a completely random sock. These people stick with their usernames and their disregard for everything but themselves. Goonie and the mob... count me in. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 15:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- I know Goonie well and trust his judgement re: the welfare of the wiki. If he says this is what's best, I won't argue with him. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:04, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Trust me, man. If I know Vordrak well enough, his antics will be on the level of what we banned TK and RobSmith for some years ago: legal threats, on and off-site harassment, accusations of, in this case, pedophilia, threats against users, etc. Keeping them around will not be anything close to fun or intelligent. Gooniepunk (talk) 18:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Listen to Goonie. He generally knows what he's doing. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:49, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Trust me, man. If I know Vordrak well enough, his antics will be on the level of what we banned TK and RobSmith for some years ago: legal threats, on and off-site harassment, accusations of, in this case, pedophilia, threats against users, etc. Keeping them around will not be anything close to fun or intelligent. Gooniepunk (talk) 18:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- I know Goonie well and trust his judgement re: the welfare of the wiki. If he says this is what's best, I won't argue with him. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:04, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- If the Ruylong debacle taught me anything, it's that those who have shown a pattern of sourcable wiki-destructive behaviour over long periods of time have burned their bridges. I mean, it's not that hard to start anew with a completely random sock. These people stick with their usernames and their disregard for everything but themselves. Goonie and the mob... count me in. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 15:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
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Hi David,
I have posted a (polite) response to the Coop case about me here - https://w=
ww.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3w843y/dramapedia_postryulong_ration=
alwiki/
A couple of observations. Firstly, as my response makes clear, I did not 'sm=
ear' anyone. All my articles were sourced with witness statements.
Secondly, I would never do anything illegal in real life. However, I have su=
ed people over internet libel before, successfully. As you know I have been =
praised in Parliament for my legal skills (for helping vulnerable women, no =
less). You are a trustee of RationalWiki and therefore liable for what is wr=
itten.
I am particularly concerned by the allegations of 'harassment' because not o=
nly are they baseless but I recently sued a person and the police over alleg=
ations. I forced my accuser to resign, disgraced, and made the police apolog=
ise too. I link to my article - http://matthewhopkinsnews.com/?p=3D1430 .
Bullying teenagers is one thing, but you know how the law works here in the =
UK. If you cannot prove I am guilty of 'harassment' (and your cited evidence=
is a deleted Ghazi post) then a Court will find you liable in defamation. I=
s posturing online worthy your home?
Kind regards,
Sam Smith
writing as
Matthew Hopkins
The Witchfinder General
http://www.matthewhopkinsnews.com
http://www.thewitchfindergeneral.com
@MHWitchfinder
Sent from my iPhone
- So he's officially butthurt. This letter enough to add him to RW:Pissed at us? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 18:27, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- I think so. Go ahead. Typhoon (talk) 18:28, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Let's hold off on doing so for a while. We aren't sure how far this is going to go, and the last thing I want to do is exacerbate the problem. Gooniepunk (talk) 18:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- More than likely Vordak's going to get added eventually. Why wait? 90.195.252.170 (talk) 18:38, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- And you are who? Typhoon (talk) 18:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Listen to Goonie. He generally knows what he's doing. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:39, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, he'll get added eventually. But right now, this is an ongoing hot-button issue, and the less we do to try and fan the flames, the less painful this will be and the quicker it'll get itself over with. Gooniepunk (talk) 18:42, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Ignore it. The U.S. doesn't allow collection of judgments based on laws the U.S. does not have. UK law does not apply to this wiki. But I'm not wearing my lawyer hat with this opinion and if anyone is worried run it past the actual lawyer(s) for this site.---Mona- (talk) 18:45, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- My signature might as well be "Let's do what Goonie says". So... let's do that, and wait. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 18:46, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Ignore it. The U.S. doesn't allow collection of judgments based on laws the U.S. does not have. UK law does not apply to this wiki. But I'm not wearing my lawyer hat with this opinion and if anyone is worried run it past the actual lawyer(s) for this site.---Mona- (talk) 18:45, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, he'll get added eventually. But right now, this is an ongoing hot-button issue, and the less we do to try and fan the flames, the less painful this will be and the quicker it'll get itself over with. Gooniepunk (talk) 18:42, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- More than likely Vordak's going to get added eventually. Why wait? 90.195.252.170 (talk) 18:38, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Let's hold off on doing so for a while. We aren't sure how far this is going to go, and the last thing I want to do is exacerbate the problem. Gooniepunk (talk) 18:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- I think so. Go ahead. Typhoon (talk) 18:28, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Lovely. OBEDIENCE TO VORDRAK OR HE WILL TAKE YOUR HOUSE. No, he doesn't threaten or anything.
- Ah, well, I supposed it's deserved for giving the GGers free play. --205.145.18.5 (talk) 20:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Man, if this is him being "polite", what's his idea of being unpolite? 141.134.75.236 (talk) 21:14, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- He'll try to accuse us of being pedophiles. No joke, it's his modus operandi. Typhoon (talk) 21:20, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- That's the bloke who also went after Oo00l00n/Bil1ingham of blockbot fame, I guess David Gerard knows this case. Maybe it gives you some insights about what to do. He caused him apparently some trouble, but I don't know to which extent (yes, I admit, we loled along when that went down, but felt the bloke here was also somewhat on the lulz side, essentially berk vs berk). /0.2 cent — Aneris ✻ (talk) 21:22, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- He'll try to accuse us of being pedophiles. No joke, it's his modus operandi. Typhoon (talk) 21:20, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
This was the fuckwit who sent the totally-not-threatening-no-honest threatening letters after the Patreon hack? Man, he is just aching for an opportunity to explain himself to an unsympathetic magistrate, isn't he? Scotch what I said above, keep him banned and salt the earth he's tainted. Queexchthonic murmurings 21:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- It's standard MO in many fora to permaban people for making legal threats, so yeah, to hell with him.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 21:39, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- I made the mistake of looking at his blog. What a revolting individual. Ban in advance of incoming shitfest? Yes, for sure.--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 00:35, 11 December 2015 (UTC)--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 00:35, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
This email makes me want to get elected to the RMF board so that I can be one of the people he is threatening to sue. An odd impulse now I think about it. SolPyre (talk) 22:32, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Am I the only one who cracked up at the "Sent from my iPhone" bit at the end? |₹Λ¥$€₦₦
I've got canned heat in my heels tonight 01:27, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
- "Sent while taking a shit" Reverend Black Percy (talk) 02:49, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
