# RationalWiki:Technical support

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Autogenerated list of users with Tech rights: Special:ListUsers/tech.

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## Herein goeth anything regarding the technicalities of the wiki

FAQs & Problems:

• Problems with accessing the wiki
• Javascript Help
• CSS Help
• Wikitalk Help

If you've written, or are using, some extension or script that either might give others problems or is giving you a problem, then either describe it or link to it on this page.

If you've written some piece of code that you want help with, ask here with linkage.

If you think it is a server-type issue, feel free to email the goat at ttoulouse@gmail.com or touloutm@mcmaster.ca for best results.

## User rights and other wonky things post-upgrade

Seems like the user rights button hath gone missing? Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 16:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Also SUBST-sigs, hotcat, editcount, hotarticle rate, and pop ups. Тypassive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 16:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Also, click on the "Add Topic" button below and see what happens. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 16:16, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Probably caused by missing the entire gadget tab in preferences caused by the upgrade. K61824I am STILL single 16:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
(Screencap) K61824"6+18=24" 17:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Can you guys test gadgets now? Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Gotten a bit confused too much piled into one topic header let's break it out. Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Working? Broken? Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Article rate and hotcat work. Тypassive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 18:49, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Section 0 works. K61824ZOYG I edit like Kenservative! 19:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Navigation popups are working. --transResident Transfanform! 21:41, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
"Rate" tab is misaligned (either one under gadgets), but the stuff should work. K61824Practicing involuntary celibacy 05:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
I think the order of elements inside Vector's tabs has changed. -- Nx / talk 05:29, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, the a needs to be inside the span. -- Nx / talk 06:44, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
The watch is missing its purge link. The alternative purge gadget that is supposed to add a * link also doesn't seem to work.--ZooGuard (talk) 13:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

### SUBST_sigs

Haven't looked at it yet. Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Is this still broken? Just tried one manually and it worked. Tmtoulouse (talk) 18:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Seems so. Тypassive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 18:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I can't replicate this bug on rwbeta which will slow down my ability to trouble shoot, suggest just using the raw code in sig rather than a subst template for now. tmtoulouse 20:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Alright. Тypassive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 20:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I'll test mine now. narchist
Still broken. --transResident Transfanform!
Needs my patch. -- Nx / talk 22:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Which patch for what? Tmtoulouse (talk) 22:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
The one from last time. [1] -- Nx / talk 22:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Cheers. tmtoulouse 22:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Signature cleaning is still on. -- Nx / talk 13:28, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Its still set to false in LocalSettings but I will see if I can track it down. Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:23, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Just tested on a fresh new MW1.20, patch should work. -- Nx / talk 20:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Just tried with my sig - problem is still happening. (See my talk page, under test) - It's pulling through the text of the macro, not the result. <font face="Wild Words">[[User:Psygremlin|<b><font color="blue">PsyGremlin</font></b>]]{{SUBST:User:Psygremlin/sig|}}</font> --Psygremlin (talk) 12:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

### User rights

What button? Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

The one on an individual user's page that lets you sysop them/move them to the autopatrolled group. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 17:55, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
It's a gadget right? Can you check again? Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Good to go. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 18:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Bureaucrats are back, and the names of the moderator and ninja groups are singular where they apparently should be plural. 08:38, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Crats are gone again, the nameing issues has to do with the deprecation of addMessages, its on my list but low priority atm. Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:36, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Leads to a page titled "Null" that you can create if you want. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 17:56, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

### Common.css

Ow my eyes.

Has anything changed in the common.css file? Either the fallbacks for the gradients have changed or something has gone seriously wrong. d hominem 20:38, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Browser-related? Looks fine for me in Ubuntu/Chromium. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 20:49, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Probably. I doubt it specifies o-linear-gradient, but previously it just fell back to white. No version update that I'm aware of, this seems related to the site change. pathetic 21:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Ah, it's in vector.css, but I don't have the tech rights to fix it. d hominem 21:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
If you have got a fix go for it, you can tech yourself as a mod. Tmtoulouse (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I'll take a look in the morning. moral 22:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Resolved with fallbacks and future-proofing in place. postate 12:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Was it that bad with IE before, or was it just broken in the update somehow? -- Nx / talk 12:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
This is in Opera, as there was no vendor prefix for the gradient. Previously it just fell back to a white background and coloured border but after the update it didn't for some utterly bizarre reason. theist 12:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
But it did exactly the same in IE (which, although I don't check it on IE regularly, looked normal last time I loaded it in IE9), which is why I played with it a bit more to get the fallbacks in place. Unless there was something up between the differences in adding gradients to background or background-image (I've converted them all to the former) I can't figure out what suddenly went wrong. moral 12:56, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
(ec) I briefly looked at the IE version, and saw it was similarly horrible before you fixed it, but I'm pretty sure I made a colored border/white bg fallback back when I made this. Probably what borked it was the changes to wikitable css (mediawikiwiki:MediaWiki 1.19#Heads-up for MediaWiki administrators) -- Nx / talk 12:58, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
It looks like tables on the wiki don't get a white background any more automatically. This might bork some other stuff on the wiki. -- Nx / talk 13:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
I remember you changing something to do with that but have forgotten what. I think it was fairly obscure, though, I'll keep an eye out for what it is and see if there's a conflict. Changes in the wikitable formatting might explain it. gnostic 13:02, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
May have found one. The gadget that puts a box around individual WIGO entries is now transparent, rather than yellow. 13:06, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Seems to be a loading order issue. Common.css has a ".vote {background:transparent;}" that's no longer needed (it used to be because of the forced white bg on all tables), and it's now loading after the gadget's css for some reason, overriding it. -- Nx / talk 13:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Fixed that one. pathetic 13:14, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

### Math tags

Also broken. Тypassive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 22:37, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I skimmed one of the updates and I think it mentioned about the maths tags and HTML, might want to read through the "what's new" pages. narchist 01:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
For people following along, here's a math tag:, $\int_0^\pi sin(x)\,dx$. If that looks like math, then this problem has been fixed. VOXHUMANA 02:15, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Test. Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:15, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Тypassive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 15:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

These tags are also broken at ru-rw.--Mr. B 20:30, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

wgTexvcBackgroundColor should be set to "Transparent", see mediawikiwiki:Extension:Math#Configuration_settings. -- Nx / talk 10:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the info. And there is another problem: the page ru:Special:SpecialPages is also down. Seeming, I can fix it by myself.--Mr. B 20:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC) ### LQT toolbar Uncaught Error: Unknown dependency: ext.wikiEditor. LQT needs to be updated. -- Nx / talk 06:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC) Updated, where best can I check for this error? Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:19, 23 July 2012 (UTC) When you try to reply, it doesn't load the edit toolbar. It's still broken. -- Nx / talk 18:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC) ### Intercom Trying to write a new message results in an internal server error. -- Nx / talk 06:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC) Hopefully fixed, though what I am doing maybe bad? xml::hidden is no longer valid to use apparently so switched to html::hidden, thoughts? Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC) I see'd it C®ackeЯ Probably moved the function from the Xml class to the Html class, since hidden input fields are Html-specific. -- Nx / talk 18:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC) ### Best of Conservapedia Conservapedia:Best of Conservapedia Internal server error -- Nx / talk 06:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC) Fixed, though see above regarding xml::hidden. Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC) ### Topicon Seems to make the title have more padding than it needs. theist 14:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC) Something to do with overflow in the header css. gnostic 14:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC) ### Left-hand menu Unless it's just me, there's no links to 'saloon bar' 'forum' etc. --Psygremlin (talk) 13:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC) "Logs" is also gone, & there are links to non-existant "community portal" & "current events" pages. WëäŝëïöïďMethinks it is a Weasel 17:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC) Its all there, might be a cache issue, shift reloading fix it for you? Tmtoulouse (talk) 22:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC) Yup, seems to be all there now. Thanks! --Psygremlin (talk) 10:23, 25 July 2012 (UTC) ### Vector javascript of some sort I didn't catch the filename, but there's some Vector (theme) related JavaScript that's making my Firefox (on a somewhat aging netbook) go batshit. It soaks up 100% CPU for a fair fraction of a minute before giving me the page. I shall try to catch it in more detail ... but anyone else seeing this? - David Gerard (talk) 20:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC) It's http://rationalwiki.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=20120613T182239Z:62 - David Gerard (talk) 03:42, 25 July 2012 (UTC) Yeowwwch! I've seen prettier Wix sites. But MediaWiki:Vector.js is empty, and MediaWiki:Common.js doesn't have anything out of the normal in it. So I can't see where you're getting that from. narchist 10:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC) That's ResourceLoader, which automagically minifies, combines and caches css and js files. It's loading jquery. If you add a debug=true to the query string of any page on the wiki (index.php?title=Whatever&debug=true), it skips the minifying and combining. -- Nx / talk 10:36, 25 July 2012 (UTC) It's not the guacamole-like rendering, it's the code itself doing something pathological - that Wikipedia doesn't do and my work intranet installation of 1.19 doesn't do - David Gerard (talk) 12:49, 25 July 2012 (UTC) Diff it in debug mode to see what's the difference between RW's jquery and the others. -- Nx / talk 14:37, 25 July 2012 (UTC) Aha - it's only happening on my watchlist, which is the page I do most of my RW from - but I basically don't use my watchlist on Wikipedia or the work wiki. Just tried on Wikipedia (which is now at 1.20wmf7, not 1.19.1) and the watchlist doesn't do that to me. - David Gerard (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2012 (UTC) ### Fair use upload page Doesn't seem to be working properly. --Psygremlin (talk) 14:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC) ## Capturebot2 down? The last requests haven't been captured: User:Capturebot2/sandbox.--ZooGuard (talk) 13:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC) Yes it is currently not functioning. Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC) What exactly is the problem? Incompatibility with the new MediaWiki API?--ZooGuard (talk) 15:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC) And by the way, the article I need those captures for is in no way related to Conservapedia. :)--ZooGuard (talk) 06:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) ## Updated since my last visit is gone What happened to that? -- Nx / talk 06:10, 24 July 2012 (UTC) The what? Tmtoulouse (talk) 22:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC) Green thing in the fossil record of a watched page. Been very erratic of late. Peter This is not my first temporal anomaly 22:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC) ## The server threw a temporary fit At about 5:14am PDT/12:14pm UTC the server went berserk and stopped responding to the outside world for about 15 minutes. During this time, it responded to ping, but the site timed out on any page loads. About 15 minutes later, the blog uptime counter iframe actually loaded (instead of timing out itself) and gave a system load reading of 69.30. It's been steadily decreasing, but is at 9.29 as of this comment. Ochotonaprincepsnot a pokémon 1013 points 12:42, 24 July 2012 (UTC) (EC you will die a painful death) I blame Tetronian. [2] -- Nx / talk 12:56, 24 July 2012 (UTC) The Special:Block page also doesn't have any of the RW customizations for time period or block reason and seems to be a default MediaWiki list now. The server is also being very slow, even though the load is about normal (around 2.75). Ochotonaprincepsnot a pokémon 1013 points 14:36, 24 July 2012 (UTC) They are all there, again, maybe a cache issue. Tmtoulouse (talk) 22:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC) ## VandalBrake For some reason, I cannot access the page to place an account into the vandal brake. It just comes up blank. Lord of Reckless Noise Hooray! I'm helping! 03:30, 25 July 2012 (UTC) Same again. SophieWilder 15:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC) ## Some banners broken At least two banner templates aren't working any more for me (Ubuntu/Chrome). Problem does not manifest in Firefox, only in Chrome.--talk 03:30, 27 July 2012 (UTC) Screenshot? Peter This is not my first temporal anomaly 03:53, 27 July 2012 (UTC) Funny, works fine for me. I'm also using Chrome. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 08:14, 29 July 2012 (UTC) Works on Mint/Chrome for me. Peter This is not my first temporal anomaly 08:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC) how did I know this was going to be a Chrome issue? bomination 13:12, 29 July 2012 (UTC) I've never seen this problem on any computer with Chrome. 18:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC) Just had this happen to me. Clear your cache, that should fix it. -- Nx / talk 12:40, 5 August 2012 (UTC) ## My sig keeps getting forcibly fucked up Every time I add a custom sig into my preferences, MediaWiki keeps adding the prefix "SUBST:" to the signature after I save, thus completely fucking up my attempts at having a custom sig and posting everything in the sig template instead. What's up with that? User:Reckless Noise Symphony 05:04, 29 July 2012 (UTC) Its being "cleaned" and I don't have a fix yet, though its a good opportunity for people to create sigs the won't break the server all the time. Tmtoulouse (talk) 05:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC) Did you apply the patch manually? Maybe you made a typo? -- Nx / talk 07:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC) What do you suggest I do about it, then? Keep just the normal "Reckless Noise Symphony" sig without the templating? Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 05:12, 29 July 2012 (UTC) Can't you set your preferences to "{{subst:User:Reckless Noise Symphony/sig2}}" and have that page contain "{{User:Reckless Noise Symphony/sisg}}"? Peter This is not my first temporal anomaly 05:15, 29 July 2012 (UTC) No, don't tell them! -- Nx / talk 07:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC) That's how I've always done mine. 07:33, 29 July 2012 (UTC) I thought we had decided a year ago to crack down on this crap anyway? Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC) People will just go back to using double templates. -- Nx / talk 17:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC) Does subst:expand not work? narchist 22:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC) ## Less than meaningless thing The length of the job queue can no longer be viewed from Special:Statistics. I assume this was removed in the upgrade? 04:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Yes, it was removed in 1.17. ТyAsk me about frog-backed securities 04:21, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Phew. Here was me thinking I melted it. πίτα (bot) 04:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC) ## The problems that remain in ru-rw I've mentioned about them above, but I'll repeated it just in case. There are two of them: 1) ru:Special:SpecialPages (response "internal error"), 2) ru:Второе начало термодинамики запрещает эволюцию#Ошибки в статье CreationWiki (math tags are not working). Thank you.--Mr. B 19:10, 31 July 2012 (UTC) ## api Suddenly, the query http://rationalwiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=usergroups&format=xml  results in  <error code="internal_api_error_MWException" info="Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setIndexedTagName: Bad parameter" xml:space="preserve" />  Can anybody help? larronsicut fur in nocte 15:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC) The problem is still there. And it is RW-specific: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=usergroups&format=xml  shows the expected result. Can anybody help? Thanks. larronsicut fur in nocte 21:09, 8 August 2012 (UTC) If it's api specific it'd be best dealt with by firing off an email to Trent. I don't think it's anything we can fix just through the MW interface. gnostic 21:35, 8 August 2012 (UTC) ## Still a SUBST problem Using this <font face="Wild Words">[[User:Psygremlin|<b><font color="blue">PsyGremlin</font></b>]]{{SUBST:User:Psygremlin/sig|}}</font> as my sig is still giving this as a result: <font face="Wild Words">[[User:Psygremlin|<b><font color="blue">PsyGremlin</font></b>]]<choose><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=blue>Speak!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=red>Praat!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=green>Khuluma!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=purple>Поговорите!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=aqua>話しなさい</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=black>말하십시오</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=cyan>Siarad!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=pink>Hable!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=blue>講話</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=red>Parlez!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=green>Fale!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=blue>Sprich!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=red>Zungumza!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=green>Tal!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=purple>Prata!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=aqua>Snakk!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=black>Tala!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=cyan>Sermā!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=pink>Parla!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> <option weight=1><sup>'''''[[User_talk:Psygremlin|<font color=blue>Runāt!</font>]]'''''</sup></option><br> </choose></font> Removing the SUBST from it doesn't help, if I click save, it's inserted. --[[User:Psygremlin|PsyGremlin] 15:22, 5 August 2012 (UTC) Hello? /rings bell /knocks on glass. --Psygremlin (talk) 12:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC) Have you tried converting it to the parser rather than the choose tag? Eg: {{#choose:theist|postate|pathetic|gnostic|moral|bomination|d hominem|narchist|sshole}} moral 12:30, 7 August 2012 (UTC) Now it's posting the whole new line: <font face="Wild Words">[[User:Psygremlin|<b><font color="blue">PsyGremlin</font></b>]]{{#choose:Speak!|Praat!|Khuluma!|Поговорите!|話しなさい|말하십시오|Siarad!|Hable!|講話|Parlez!|Fale!|Sprich!|Zungumza!|Tal!|Prata!|Snakk!|Tala!|Sermā!|Parla!|Runāt!}}</font> and still sticking SUBST in under the preferences. --PsyGremlin話しなさい 12:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC) It will keep sticking SUBST in there until Trent fixes it. Your options now are: use subst:expand with the parser syntax to get a substed random sig like Armondikov's, ditch the random thing, or go back to using two templates. -- Nx / talk 14:04, 7 August 2012 (UTC) Where do I type in the "subst:expand"? My wiki-fu is weak. --PsyGremlinFale! 14:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC) In preferences, my sig reads {{subst:expand:User:Armondikov/sig}} (with "sign exactly as shown" ticked). moral 14:13, 7 August 2012 (UTC) Tried that and my sig shows PsyGremlin{{subst:expand User:Psygremlin/sig|}} - I'll go back to plain until it's working again. Thanks for the help. --Psygremlin (talk) 14:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC) Is there a reason you have a pipe at the end of "sig" there? theist 14:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC) And no colon between "expand" and "User". d hominem 14:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC) Ah, that seems to have fixed it. Thank you - give yourself the rest of the day off. Tell them I said so. --PsyGremlinFale! 15:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC) Already taken most of the day off. It's been grand. moral 15:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC) ## Vandal Bin The link to the page that lets us bin folks seems to be busted; gives an error message. Theory of Practice "Trampoline" is an Olympic sport now? 15:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC) ## Pibot It looks like our little archiving bot is also on the blink. --PsyGremlinSermā! 10:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC) Then switch to LQT and you won't have those problems. Is it really that hard for you liberals to understand such simple concepts? Conservative Punk (talk) 10:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC) Working on it. Might be a while before I can safely archive anything besides the bar though. Peter Rapidly running out of marmite 06:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC) Archiving's pretty easy(ish) really. I'll do the bar. SophieWilder 06:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC) I just did that a few minutes ago. But TWIGO:CP is another matter. Peter Rapidly running out of marmite 06:11, 20 August 2012 (UTC) Damn it, I thought that thing had a 'simulate' function. Oh well. Peter Rapidly running out of marmite 06:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC) ## Holydaze Why is it now sitting on the left, despite an align:center command in Template:Holydaze/0820? I checked a few others at random, & many of them are doing the same. ŴêâŝêîôîďMethinks it is a Weasel 18:30, 20 August 2012 (UTC) Thank goodness it's not just me. I've been trying to fix it without any luck. Lily Inspirate me. 18:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC) Done. postate 18:43, 20 August 2012 (UTC) Thanks, chuck! Lily Inspirate me. 18:46, 20 August 2012 (UTC) align="center" is used in a lot of the Holydaze templates. What made it stop working? €₳£ΘĪÐMethinks it is a Weasel 19:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
It will probably be due to the update. The way wikitables were handled changed slightly as it still works in divs, though:
 Table content, uncentred.
Div content, centred.
Either way, it should be done through styling as that's the standard, for whatever reason. bomination 20:31, 20 August 2012 (UTC)