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:I saw the edit summary saying "Not sure if this is really a great WIGO-C, really." I apologize if I'm unclear on the basics here - I joined RW after having contributed a few times as an anon, and I've been wanting to post the link to that 0.9999 blog for a while now. I stumbled across it when Conservapedia had a link to a Dembski article on Intelligent Design, and the whole "Science and Math Defeated" blog just struck me as an extreme nutcase, with "notedscholar" rambling about how such things as calculus, probability, infinity, and negative numbers are all "false" because "math wizards" try to intimidate people with technobabble. - [[User:Cuckoo|Cuckoo]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 
:I saw the edit summary saying "Not sure if this is really a great WIGO-C, really." I apologize if I'm unclear on the basics here - I joined RW after having contributed a few times as an anon, and I've been wanting to post the link to that 0.9999 blog for a while now. I stumbled across it when Conservapedia had a link to a Dembski article on Intelligent Design, and the whole "Science and Math Defeated" blog just struck me as an extreme nutcase, with "notedscholar" rambling about how such things as calculus, probability, infinity, and negative numbers are all "false" because "math wizards" try to intimidate people with technobabble. - [[User:Cuckoo|Cuckoo]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (EST)
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::Well, I said that because I really ''wasn't'' sure, mostly based on it being about a comment he makes halfway down, rather than the main article itself.  As Human said, there's some wacky stuff among the main entries that might be worth mining, or maybe make the WIGO-C about his denial of basic math, and just make a side comment about "a woman disagrees with me, who is always right, therefore women are decivers" or something like that. Just ideas. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 14:17, 24 December 2008 (EST)

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Can we date these entries (when we added them and when they were posted)? Please? humanUser talk:Human 20:24, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

Wouldn't that make them a bit unweildy? Where do you want the date, anyway? --Kels 10:16, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
I didn't think so... how about adding for example (posted May 5 2008) after each item? (Meaning, the date the blogger committed their thoughts to print) It will show what's stale and what's fresh, at least. I guess our "posting order" (new at top) kind of takes care of our "post date" thing. We could just use monthly headers for that, I suppose. humanUser talk:Human 15:08, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
How's that look? --Kels 16:11, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
Looks good to me. As people add more things in each section, of course, we'll have a better idea of what matters and where to say it. Thanks for adding some stuff, I think it makes it easier for others to follow. humanUser talk:Human 16:54, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Contents

on conservative erotica

  • I can't define pornography but I know it when I see it. --glances at a example of conservative erotica-- yawn . . . that is definitely not it.
  • mary and john closed the bedroom door and presumably retired to their separate but matching beds because the time to reproduce was not yet nigh.

HAHAHAHAHA . .. oh . . sorry. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 12:43, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

To steal from Bill Maher, they think sex is bad because sex with them always is! --Kels 13:10, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

Shelly the Republican

... it's a parody. It's been around a few years and was debunked not long after it started (can't remember where) D-Notice 18:18, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Ray Comfort has a blog!

And his obsession with food analogies continues. tmtoulouse oppress 11:44, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Not quite a Nobel

$100 and a book. Wow! these people really know how to value their best people. SusanG  ContribsTalk 14:25, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Anonymous

Isn't that the guy attacking Scientology? DLerner 05:31, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

I think Anonymous is a pretty cool guy, eh is awarded awards by creationists and doesn't afraid of anything! --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:34, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

It was a joke

Errr, can't you guys get the joke... it wasn't a tyop! הרב ד.לערנער Ask the Rabbi a question 05:31, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

But the post is about bilingualism, not literacy or grammar. ~ Gloom(is never asleep) 05:33, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
It should be written in Spanish, methinks. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:20, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

English Fail

(Re: Phyllis about Obama and learning a second language)

I know that that's not strictly her point, but this section of her column cracked me up (emphasis mine):

Most Americans look upon the English language as the number-one factor that defines our national identity: "e pluribus unum," one nation out of many peoples. We want English to be our national, official language, spoken by all who call themselves Americans.

Yep, English sure defines your national identity, which is summed up in a non-English phrase. Brilliant. --Sid 17:33, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

And one suggested by a Swiss artist, even. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 17:37, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
Yes, I fell off my chair when I read that, too. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:20, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
I read some where once "e pluribus unum" comes from a poem about making salad dressing, usually credited to Virgil. \approx\pi 18:43, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
I just copyed it to paste it here, only to see many of us saw the same damn thing. Et Tu, brute?


Should we be linking to paysites here

I went to the scientific evidence for irreducible complex article and found I couldn't read it for want of a subscription. I wonder if allowing linking to paysites will (a) make this section less reliable and therefore less popular(b) could result in blatant advertising in the future (not saying that this necessarily is). — Unsigned, by: Damo2353 / talk / contribs

I think it depends on the nature of the paysite and what is available for free? IE, I went to one the other day (some science journal) and the synopsis was enough to tell me what I needed. If I want to read it for free, I guess I could head to the local University library. If a site requires paying to read anything, it's not a very useful link, of course. ħumanUser talk:Human 16:12, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Ron Paul

As someone who does not live in the US, who is Ron Paul and why won't he give up?\approx\pi 08:04, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

I second the question. And I ask who is he likely to hurt if he gets a few votes?--Damo2353 08:09, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
According to our article he is a Republican so he will be hurting McCann. What I don't understand is why he has not conceded defeat and why he thinks he is so important to continue down a futile and destructive path. \approx\pi 21:12, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

He is a libertarian/republican political crank that developed a very abusive and "large" internet presence of crazy kooks during his race. His is famous for winning ever online poll. He and his followers are total nut cases that I get a kick out of poking. tmtoulouse oppress 21:17, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Well he is Republican, but he seems to have a very Isolationist foreign policy, perhaps even more so than the Democrats. Plus he seems to invigorate a large youth market that might otherwise vote Obama (or I could be talking out of my ass). Would his nutcases vote Obama or McCain if he weren't there?Damo2353 21:19, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
There's a difference between isolationist (RP) & non-interventionist (Dem). SusanG  ContribsTalk 21:22, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
Neither, they are actually a very small number of the voting population, maybe 50,000-100,000 "hard" supporters, another half million weak supporters. Most would not vote, or are voting other third party options like Barr. Primarily dominated by extreme libertarian sects of the population. tmtoulouse oppress 21:23, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
I first became interested in him from following the tax protester movement that decided he was their messiah. Those are his followers, they are that far "gone." tmtoulouse oppress 21:25, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
(edit conflict) Of the people I know at school who supported Paul, one was a libertarian, who I think will vote 3rd party, and a couple more were toward the liberal side, who would either vote Obama, or not at all. --CPAdmin1 21:27, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Darwin conspiracy

I thought that the general premise (Darwin wasn't first) was generally accepted as true. Like most "discoverers" of scientific breakthroughs he "stood on the shoulders of giants". Wallace and he both came up with the concept concurrently & Darwin was the one to publish & get noticed. "Natural selection" was probably a Wallacism.

"in the mid-1800s, Darwin and the British biologist Alfred Russel Wallace independently conceived of a natural, even observable, way for life to change: a process Darwin called natural selection." http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/_0/history_14

It was luck and good PR that got Darwin the Kudos - like most such things it was collaborative - although unwitting. SusanG  ContribsTalk 07:16, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

It's one thing to put it the way you did, which is of course how most breakthroughs occur. It's another to say Darwin "stole" the ideas in his book, and to propose a conspiracy to support him. Right? ħumanUser talk:Human 22:29, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
The idea of "evolution" had been around for a long time (Erasmus Darwin, Lamarck, etc) so that was not the "breakthrough." The breakthrough was the idea of natural selection, if that was a Wallace idea that Darwin adapted than Darwin did nothing but collect specimens. The truth is Darwin had been writing in his notebooks the early idea of natural selection even as early his last few weeks on the Beagle. Certainly he had formulated the outlines of the theory by 1840, and had started sending the idea out to a few choice friends in letters decades before Wallace sent his letter to Darwin. No, Darwin did not borrow the idea of natural selection from Wallace. tmtoulouse oppress 20:21, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
The actual story, in brief, is this. Darwin went on a long boat trip to several locations and observed what he noticed to be a fascinating array of adaptations in organisms, and spent years tapping away at a book. As he was working, another guy (Wallace) also noticed some pretty fascinating stuff, and contacted Darwin to ask him some questions. Darwin went a bit over the "Oh crap!" side, and released is contributions, but worked with Russel, so both of them got credit. ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ the god-botherer of all zealots!

Commenting out

The reason I commented out the Jinxmchue entry was because it was on the front page, even though it's about Conservapedia. It seems silly to say "We're boycotting conservapedia!" then have a clogosphere entry about it further down the page. Totnesmartin 12:55, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

The link is solely to his blog, not to CP and it was posted before the boycott. Also we still have all the CP WIGO entries active so commenting out this one is pointless. Jollyfish.gifGenghisRationalWiki GOLD member 13:10, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Wiki4CAM

"Only CAM practitioners can participate in this wiki." Quacks. I personally think that homeopaths should be made to wear pointy wizard hats and have a gong sounded when introduced to a patient. CorryTalk 00:06, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

They don't? \approx\pi 00:10, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
Unfortunately the recent internet attention has netted them what looks like a complete mess of vandalism. I will come back to it tomorrow or something. 24.36.227.74 00:12, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
Those are some enterprising bastards. CorryTalk 00:18, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanx!

I don't think it took much effort - their "all pages" fit on one screen, and there were no hands (apparently) on board to check wandals. I'm sure they can fix what I didn't tomorrow. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:38, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

I particularly liked this as well: "where they can build their knowledge base without any undue skeptical diversions." Yeah, skepticism is teh suxxors. Smyth 12:41, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Not WIGO worthy but funny:Tooth fairy deserves respect!

I am in a fight over at wikipedia on the Law of attraction page. It can be seen here. One of the good guys shows up and says "you know saying there isn't much scientific research done on the law of attraction is like complaining that there is not enough research done on the tooth fairy." The reply is that the non-existence of the tooth fairy is merely his opinion and a minority one at best. That people must tolerate and respect other peoples beliefs in the tooth fairy. Yes these are adults. tmtoulouse oppress 21:11, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Where, it is really long and I like reading less than Andy. \approx\pi 21:15, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
The easiest thing to do is ctrl-f tooth-fairy cause I cant link right too it. The uh hello world stuff is related to a new extension idea I am working on. It should be gone now. tmtoulouse oppress 21:18, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
Thanks T, you are doing a great job keeping this place running. \approx\pi 21:20, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

The No Shirt, No Shoes lady

Is this Julie really notable? Making fun of her column in a third rate Virginia newspaper seems like going hunting at the zoo. Of course, so does making fun of Conservapedia, I guess... CorryTalk 12:55, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Julie's comprehension is pretty poor, but I guess that we knew that already.
"Father Jeremy Davies an exorcist with the diocese of England and Wales..."
Yes Julie, just one bishop for the whole of England and Wales. Her reference says "A priest of Westminster, the leading diocese of the Catholic Church of England and Wales." Maybe she is just too easy a target. But hey, that makes our job so much easier. Jollyfish.gifGenghisRationalWiki GOLD member 17:47, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
I actually suggested we start tracking christian nut case bloggers because of Julie and her blog. She isn't notable in the WP sense but, given the purpose of this page, I think she fits right in. Besides she is funny as hell when she doesn't make me feel queasy . . . besides the pilot is a first rate Virginia newspaper which makes it third rate in the rest of the universe so overall it is a wash. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 12:58, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
Don't cover her so much, though. We don't need to read everything she writes -- it's flooding out the WIGO, dammit. Jellyfish!Chaos! 13:01, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
Who knew invertebrates were so fucking cranky? Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 14:31, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
"Flooding out the WIGO"??? Right now it looks like one post/day for August. Pretty mellow, and if it weren't for the Julie-lickers, it would be dead... ħumanUser talk:Human 04:19, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Asking the experts

Afternoon, all- long-time lurker here who never had anything useful to say before now, but I found this[1] little piece of insanity today and I can't work out if it's parody or the real deal. I don't suppose anyone here could take a guess? --Symuun 10:17, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

It looks legitimate. It's pretty inevitable that creationists would hate the idea of Spore. weaseLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 15:11, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Hey Symuun, you don't have to be useful to contribute, just need a sense of fun. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 15:15, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I know basically nothing about this game, but it seems to me the ID crowd should like it, after all, isn't the point of the game that you intelligently guide the process of life? YEC shouldn't much care for it, but the Old Eart crowd should approve. DickTurpis 15:27, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, you'd have thought so. But then the distinct lack of penis monsters in the real world suggests that if there is a God, He has no sense of humour at all. --Symuun 18:24, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I thought actual penises were proof he does? --Kels 19:39, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Well, on further consideration, and reading the latest post, I think I'm converted to this person's point of view. [2] --symuunWords! 09:31, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Antispore

We should have post something on Antispore, but I'm not sure whether to put it in Blogosphere or clogosphere. Advice plz? Totnesmartin 11:32, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

What should happen is a post in Blog that posts the site, posts a few initial reaction blogs, then a few of the post-poe blogs. Tell the whole story. tmtoulouse oppress 11:34, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
AntiSpore's a Rickroll, isn't it? --Edgerunner76Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? 11:43, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

god loves bridges

that's great! God loves indoor plumbing too! and the hoover dam! and probably the third Reich in its day! -- All those grand products of organization and engineering aka intelligent design! 204.248.28.194 15:16, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

McCain's past lives

Karma doesn't work like that. --Kels 09:33, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Where did that come from? - User \approx\piFor best results also use RationalWiki moisturizing conditioner 09:56, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
The entry about McCain winning because of handwriting analysis. There's a thing at the bottom saying that McCain and Palin were both great leaders in past lives, so their karma would help them now. --Kels 14:18, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
er . . that's Instant KarmaTM Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 14:31, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Technical point

I have a few things I'd like to add to this page, but I'm unsure over what qualifies. Is this for blogs only? Or can we post stuff from "legitimate" columns? If it is the second, I think we should create a rogue's gallery for posting and quotes from Coulter, Malkin, Bozzell, O'Rielly, Hannity, etc. SirChuckBA product of Affirmative Action 14:55, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

I think any batshit insanity written as personal commentary is appropriate here. I have added mainstream stuff from newspaper/TV journalists in the WIGO:blogosophere section so the reverse should apply here. The only consideration is how it differs from RW mission. Coulter, Malkin, Limbaugh, etc. are obvious candidates but just because someone is politically conservative then that doesn't mean they belong here. Although as a site we are a bit "pinko" there have been some more conservative editors here and we shouldn't exclude them out of hand. Of course moderate conservatives probably wouldn't be a candidate for WIGO:Clog anyway, but let's just keep diverse viewpoints in mind. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 16:43, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
Beggin to differ, I personally don't think this page should be for celeb news but from relative nobody bloggers that spout irrational views-- belief in demons, conspiracy theorists, race-baiters, over-the-top partisanship . . . stuff like that. I think that Coulter, Malkin, Bozzell, O'Rielly, Hannity are celebs and may deserve a spot of the own "What is going on with the Illumi-Nutty?" Also, whoever keeps giving the thumbs down to my drooly Jule posts, shame on you! Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:01, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
I do kind of agree that it's good to get clogs from as far into the realms of insanity as possible, but when Coulter (why, why is her name always brought up on a friday to spoil my weekend!!) et al open up with something suitably outlandish (well, more outlandish than normal), it should be posted too. Although, just not too often as WIGO isn't exactly supposed to be an RSS feed of someone's blog is it? If you had two WIGOs to cover small and large blogs, you'd run into the problem of who decides what should go where.
To answer closer to the original point, I reckon "legitimate" columns are good. Basically "blog" when referred to political websites is just a new word for an opinion piece that may or may not be also published in the newspaper or magazine too so there's really no actual difference. There's obviously a consideration whether someone will find it interesting though. Some larger international blogs certainly, more country specific ones, what about city specific. If people can't relate to it then it won't be interesting to them, even if it is "on mission". I can probably find some interesting pieces from my university's student press (some extreme moonbatery) but that's not widely appealling at all. ArmondikoVpathetic 10:19, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

Sounds familiar

Is it just me or does Julies' writing style sound quite a bit like that of The Onion's Jean Teasdale? Or do all half-wits sound the same? DickTurpis 18:18, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

I think Julie writes more or less like she talks. I think some half wits talk alike. The Onion has clearly tapped into this, as has Poe of Poe's Law. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 18:32, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Obama's grandmother's passing

Same as the link on the project page, and I think it is fucking disgusting that people think it was euthanasia for the sympathy vote. People really piss me of sometimes. Aboriginal Noise Theist, barely hanging by a nail 19:09, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Is there any chance some of them are parodists. Otherwise I feel a little ill myself--DamoHi 19:19, 3 November 2008 (EST)
on freepress? Not likely.--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta. V.Nabokov» 19:30, 3 November 2008 (EST)
Even if half of them were parodists, that still leaves plenty of sick jerks. Aboriginal Noise Theist, barely hanging by a nail 19:33, 3 November 2008 (EST)
The freepers are pretty insane all the time, I doubt most of them are parodists (although a few probably are). I hate to think of what goes on at Little Green Fascists at the moment. --Kels 19:34, 3 November 2008 (EST)
They are losing, soundly. so they will pull every trick out of the book. You know that CA republicans are suing obama for the trip to see his grandmother, right?--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta. V.Nabokov» 19:36, 3 November 2008 (EST)
What??? Why???? This election is getting weirder every minute. I'm gonna miss it... Totnesmartin 19:40, 3 November 2008 (EST)
Here's teh Kos link. i havn't read anything more on it, cause i'm about at the point where i'm so sick of the non-humanity they display....http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/3/141032/949/825/651082--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta. V.Nabokov» 19:44, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Stormfront and D&D

BLarg! People like that give gamers a bad name. (And the answer to their question is, yes, duh, Driz'zt or however you spell that is BLACK. That was the explicit subtext of the books! Yes, it's anti-racism, you stupid ****s.) Researcher 09:36, 12 November 2008 (EST)

While we're on it, aren't we supposed to not link to Stormfront directly, on account of not giving them traffic and the content generally being NSFW? ArmondikoVpathetic 10:09, 12 November 2008 (EST)
I thought so too, but I'm not the one who put it there. Then again, I remember hearing something about our links not actually counting or something, but that was way above my head. Researcher 10:20, 12 November 2008 (EST)
I put it there. As far as I can see, the above policy worked for Metapedia, since we were linking to a site, but it's harder with a thread. Oh well, tinyurlin'. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!

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Why haven't there been any updates to this page for ages? Time harmonic Hoover!

Stupidity burnout? --Gulik 16:01, 8 December 2008 (EST)
Er . . . my local blogger has just been rehashing her typical silliness. I'm waiting for her to say something new and shocking. As soon as she does, I'll post it here. No way I'm going to keep all that win to myself Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 11:19, 9 December 2008 (EST)

"women are deceivers" WIGO C

OK, I see the comment way down there, thanks for fixing, Kels. This whackjob actually looks like a fun source, maybe we should even link to him/her/it? Shit, I forgot to keep the tab open so I could paste in a link to what the hell I'm talking about. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:48, 24 December 2008 (EST)

I saw the edit summary saying "Not sure if this is really a great WIGO-C, really." I apologize if I'm unclear on the basics here - I joined RW after having contributed a few times as an anon, and I've been wanting to post the link to that 0.9999 blog for a while now. I stumbled across it when Conservapedia had a link to a Dembski article on Intelligent Design, and the whole "Science and Math Defeated" blog just struck me as an extreme nutcase, with "notedscholar" rambling about how such things as calculus, probability, infinity, and negative numbers are all "false" because "math wizards" try to intimidate people with technobabble. - Cuckoo 14:13, 24 December 2008 (EST)
Well, I said that because I really wasn't sure, mostly based on it being about a comment he makes halfway down, rather than the main article itself. As Human said, there's some wacky stuff among the main entries that might be worth mining, or maybe make the WIGO-C about his denial of basic math, and just make a side comment about "a woman disagrees with me, who is always right, therefore women are decivers" or something like that. Just ideas. --Kels 14:17, 24 December 2008 (EST)
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