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:::It's also a classic example of a deliberately unfalsifiable theory; a theory that can include everything explains nothing. If positive evidence is evidence, negative evidence is evidence (that they hid the real evidence) and no evidence is evidence (that they hid ''all'' the evidence), what's the point of even ''looking'' at the evidence? [[User:King Skeleton|King Skeleton]] ([[User talk:King Skeleton|talk]]) 11:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 
:::It's also a classic example of a deliberately unfalsifiable theory; a theory that can include everything explains nothing. If positive evidence is evidence, negative evidence is evidence (that they hid the real evidence) and no evidence is evidence (that they hid ''all'' the evidence), what's the point of even ''looking'' at the evidence? [[User:King Skeleton|King Skeleton]] ([[User talk:King Skeleton|talk]]) 11:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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I rather believe that this is a variation of [[Just asking questions|JAQing off]]. The OP, I mean. [[User:Scream!!|Scream!!]] ([[User talk:Scream!!|talk]]) 13:21, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

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The Illuminati is a secret organization. They are the masterminds behind the New World Order, the enslavement of humanity. FIGHT THE NEW WORLD ORDER 22:44, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Wasn't this group exposed in an episode of "The Simpson's"? CЯacke®

OMFG GUYS they're onto us! Quick, into the escape pods!

Contents

THESE GUYS DO EXIST

THE ILLUMINATI IS MORE THEN JUST SOME "FREETHINKER" DURING THE LATE 18TH CENTURY! THEY CONTROL THE WORLD!!!!

SEE MY ESSAY HERE THAT EXPOSES THE TRUTH!

Bah. The Conspiracy does not exist. Let me repeat that: The Conspiracy does not exist. Also, be aware that the treasure chest from the best place possible will go to Tel Aviv. That is all. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 05:00, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

How did...

...an obscure group that formed 1776 and disappeared 1789 somehow become the center of innumerable conspiracies? The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 15:28, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

A rather good and humorous explanation. TyAnnoy 15:30, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Eh, it felt like the article oversimplified it so the author could take a shot at christian fundamentalists. Some christians did play a part, but there were much deeper forces involved and more people who felt threatened by the illuminati than just fundies. The order was active at the height of the enlightenment, as the traditional powers in europe were losing power and the counter-enlightenment was in full swing. Many rulers at the time were suspicious of Freemasonry, which attracted intellectuals with the promise of occult knowledge and secrecy. A few branches of freemasonry were politically active, but not many. When the illuminati was finally exposed, people seized on the fact as 'proof' of a Masonic take-over, even though the exposure was largely the result of the activities of a rival masonic organization, the Gold und- Rosenkreutz society (which was also politically active, but on the side of the conservatives). People freaked out and, in typical 18th century style, started writing pamphlets. Adam Weishaupt, the founder of illuminati, wrote a few pamphlets trying to correct public opinion, but it was too little too late. Shortly after, things took a regrettable turn with the French Revolution, a product of the same Enlightenment ideology that had led to the illuminati. In 1797, Augustin Abbé Barruel began publishing a lengthy exposé of the order: "Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism", published around the same time as Robison's book, presenting some well-researched evidence on the illuminati's role in the French Revolution (although his main argument is flawed, a surprising amount of his facts are correct). Both of these books made their way across the pond to America and became extremely popular. George Washington seems to have been recommend one of these books in a letter and Thomas Jefferson was deeply impressed by Weishaupt's philosophy. The illuminati never came to America (only one confirmed illuminatus, Johan Caspar Schweizer, ever visited the place), but the illuminati paranoia did. Reverend Jedidiah Morse (the "illuminate morse" from Jefferson's letter) began to preach against the illuminati, who he believed to be behind the sorry moral state of America in the 1790s. This caused a panic, which was exploited by the Federalist Party in an attempt to gain power. While the Federalists failed, the New England Illuminati Scare had a huge impact on American politics; a detailed disection of it can be found here. There have been a number of excellent academic surveys of the illuminati over the years, none of which have been translated into english. None of the original writings of the illuminati, some of which are online btw, have been translated. Some of the most important documents remain locked away in Berlin and Moscow archives. You see the problem here, right? While 'Ancient Aliens' has at least some experts working hard on debunking it, there's really nobody to stand up for the illuminati. As time goes on it just becomes more and more absurd; people start building on other conspiracy theories instead of the facts. Bill Cooper, ironically, had a great quote about building a mountain of lies out of a single truth, which is what most people do with the illuminati. ...if that makes sense Montgelas (talk) 21:30, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Reasons for claims of their intervention

Good marketing.

  • Selecting a memorable 'brand name.'
  • The Protestant publishers who used 'banned by the Vatican' as a marketing ploy (and Pope Benedict XVI is from Bavaria).
  • Persons looking for someone to blame (apart from their own incapabilities) - 'no smoke without a fire, no fire without someone starting it.'
  • Persons wanting a subject to write about looking for "group not overly written about" - there are 'rather a lot' of books about the Masons, and the Illuminati are 'summat like them, and there must be more to their disappearence than everybody involved turned to other things such as the French Revolution.
  • Dead Parrot syndrome. [1]

Any more reasons? 212.85.6.26 (talk) 15:38, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

"Secret" Society

The secret world ruling society that is so scret, that everyone knows about it and it appears in childrens televisions shows such as gargoyles and honey I shrunk the kids where they are easily defeated and thrwarted making them look like idiots. As well as 1 or 2 documentaries that appear every dayo n the history channel, it is amazing how many leaks there is for an organization that supposedly controls ALL MEDIA . . . also I am being sarcastic. 71.238.243.98 (talk) 13:36, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah, but have you never heard of a double bluff? (and I echo your sarcasm before Captain Obvious gets on my case again.)--Weirdstuff (talk) 13:45, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

= the Eye

I gotta mention something I "love" abotu these conspiracy theoriests. Tehy claim the all seeing eye is a subliminal message (that always appears in the same occult context in cartoons) . . . but 90% of the time, it isnt even the proper symbol, its just an eyeball on a pyramid. Not an eyeball, in a triangle, above an unfinished pyramid. one owuld think the illimuninati wouldnt screw up their own symbol. 71.238.243.98 (talk) 13:42, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

A refutation

Leon Trotsky, who, along with Lenin, was the most preeminent Bolshevik revolutionary said, in "My Life" (describing his time in the Odessa prisons): "It was during that period that I became interested in freemasonry. ... In the eighteenth century freemasonry became expressive of a militant policy of enlightenment, as in the case of the Illuminati, who were the forerunners of the revolution; on its left it culminated in the Carbonari. Freemasons counted among their members both Louis XVI and the Dr. Guillotin who invented the guillotine. In southern Germany freemasonry assumed an openly revolutionary character, whereas at the court of Catherine the Great it was a masquerade reflecting the aristocratic and bureaucratic hierarchy. A freemason Novikov was exiled to Siberia by a freemason Empress. ... I discontinued my work on freemasonry to take up the study of Marxian economics. ... The work on freemasonry acted as a sort of test for these hypotheses. ... I think this influenced the whole course of my intellectual development.": http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/mylife/ch08.htm

For more on this, the following may interest you: http://archive.org/details/WatersFlowingEastward_307 — Unsigned, by: 76.102.86.162 / talk / contribs

Order of Perfectibilists?

What on earth? Is this an in-joke, or am I stupid? --Theoneandonlyduncan (talk) 13:09, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I find this amusing.

How the hell do these wackos even know the eye triangle (or whatever it's called) is the Illuminati symbol?--TemplarJLS (talk) 20:30, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Indisputable proof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSk2nc3af-I&list=TLn5w1jSDEj325JWGXSNJaMcrsxUnuTJzV

Watch it! It has all the proof the illuminati exists!

Youtube isn't the best place for "research". Try again. (Then again, please don't)--TemplarJLS (talk) 07:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

This pisses me off

I haven't seen a single musician, song, video game, etc. That wasn't accused of being part of the illuminati/satanism. Apparently, Super Mario 64 is Illuminati because of some eyes in the game, and a sun painting on the castle floor. One thing that makes me angry is that J-pop, as lighthearted as it is, I searched "J-pop Illuminati", and yep, hundreds of Youtube videos about it. I just want to enjoy the Goddamn videogame/song, and these idiots have to ruin it for me.--TemplarJLS (talk) 07:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Fake sites

Is it worth mentioning there are fake sites that claim to be the illuminati recruiting people? To be honest that's one of the most desperate attempts at "proving" they're real because they immediately cease to be secret. I was just wondering if this is worth mentioning.--TemplarJLS (talk) 10:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


Help trying to stop believing in the Illuminati

First of all sorry for my bad english, English isn't my first language.

Hi, I'm a person who is EXTREMELY paranoid over the ILluminati, because of the Youtube videos over all of it. There are soooo many people claiming to be whistleblowers, like Ted Gunderson, andJohn Todd (And a LOT MORE), and there are just an overwhelming abount of videos on Youtube trying to expose them. I know outside my mind they don't exist, but inside my mind, in my subconcious, they do, because my mind can't get over the fact that there are so many Youtube videos of Whistleblowers, Exposing Chemtrails, Sandy Hook, 9/11/Freemasons/Illuminati Symbolism, etc. It has actually been affecting my life VERY negatively, in that I can't do ANYTHING fun, and I can't sleep at night because off it. There used to be things I REALLY enjoyed, and now, I can't.

There is this girl named tila tequila who is a er... pron star (no i dont watch it, I just found her through the videos on the right), claiming to expose the Illumianti, and everything.

Apparently, all the mainstream media are shills to the illuminati because they control them and that is why thjere are no whistleblowers taken seriously.

Not onky that but I've also seen inside freemason lodges, the bohemin grove, ect, and they looked like they were doing satanic things over there.

sorry for the long pos, but Im just VERY worried.

If they're as powerful as that, why can't they be bothered to even use youtube's hilariously-easy-to-abuse copyright reporting system to get those videos taken down? King Skeleton (talk) 10:27, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
ive actually asked a conspiracy theorist That and he said it is because if they take down the youtube videos it would be obvoius, and therefore they should keep them up, that way we would be tricked into thinking they're fake since the video's arent getting removed.--SRXpert (talk) 10:38, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
So taking down the videos would be obvious, whereas dancing around a giant owl like a bunch of prats and peeing in the woods is totally secret? The whole illuminati conspiracy theory is a classic example of ad hoc rationalisation, having the conspiracy randomly alternating between omnipotent, useless, smart and stupid just to fit the evidence. If they don't want to be discovered, they wouldn't do their silly rituals outdoors. If they don't care if they're discovered, there wouldn't be a laundry list of people they allegedly killed because they were on to them.
It's also a classic example of a deliberately unfalsifiable theory; a theory that can include everything explains nothing. If positive evidence is evidence, negative evidence is evidence (that they hid the real evidence) and no evidence is evidence (that they hid all the evidence), what's the point of even looking at the evidence? King Skeleton (talk) 11:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I rather believe that this is a variation of JAQing off. The OP, I mean. Scream!! (talk) 13:21, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

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