Talk:War on Christmas

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I've aways thought that Christmas was a great holiday.  The only problem is that Christians are trying to take over this ancient pagan festival.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|<sup>bing up</sup>]] 04:16, 16 November 2007 (EST)
 
I've aways thought that Christmas was a great holiday.  The only problem is that Christians are trying to take over this ancient pagan festival.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|<sup>bing up</sup>]] 04:16, 16 November 2007 (EST)
 
:Just to update you, I'm pretty sure that has already happened - about 1200 years ago. ;-) --[[User:AKjeldsen|'''<font color="navy">AKjeldsen</font>''']]<sup>[[User_talk:AKjeldsen |<font color="aqua">Godspeed!</font>]]</sup> 04:25, 16 November 2007 (EST)
 
:Just to update you, I'm pretty sure that has already happened - about 1200 years ago. ;-) --[[User:AKjeldsen|'''<font color="navy">AKjeldsen</font>''']]<sup>[[User_talk:AKjeldsen |<font color="aqua">Godspeed!</font>]]</sup> 04:25, 16 November 2007 (EST)
::I'm not sure that's true. The Ancient Spirit Of Christmas - getting drunk, increased sexual activity, eating a lot, Odin driving his reindeer through the sky - still exists despite over a thousand years of Christian influence on the celebration.  In fact I think that, for many, it's the ancient spirit that's now the most important aspect. ;-) --[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|<sup>bing up</sup>]] 04:47, 16 November 2007 (EST)  
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::I'm not sure that's true. The Ancient Spirit Of Christmas - getting drunk, increased sexual activity, eating a lot, Odin driving his reindeer through the sky - still exists despite over a thousand years of Christian influence on the celebration.  In fact I think that, for many, it's the ancient spirit that's now the most important aspect. ;-) --[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|<sup>bing up</sup>]] 04:47, 16 November 2007 (EST)
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:::Of course it's up to people themselves to inject whatever meaning they wish into the celebration, if any at all, but I'm not really seeing a lot of people sacrificing [[goat]]s in [[wp:Winter_solstice#Midvinterbl.C3.B3t_.28Swedish_folk_religion.29|Midwinterblót]], or dancing chain-dances to make [[wp:Karachun|Hors turn into Koleda]], or whatever else one could think of. And where such traditions have survived, they usually lack any of the original religious meaning. I'm also pretty sure that most of those people who talk about pagan Christmas festivals often have only a pretty tenuous idea of what those festivals actually were about, or how they differed from each other. That would seem to make it essentially a case of modern reconstruction, rather than survival of ancient religious. And that's fine too, it just needs to be seen for what it is. --[[User:AKjeldsen|'''<font color="navy">AKjeldsen</font>''']]<sup>[[User_talk:AKjeldsen |<font color="aqua">Godspeed!</font>]]</sup> 05:10, 16 November 2007 (EST)
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Are there any Jewish talking heads who are pissed that wal*mart greeters might wish them "happy Christmas" or "happy holidays" rather than "happy Hanukkah"? It seems there's a big arse entitlement culture amongst Christians in the USA... --[[User:Jeeves|Jeeves]] 04:38, 16 November 2007 (EST)
 
Are there any Jewish talking heads who are pissed that wal*mart greeters might wish them "happy Christmas" or "happy holidays" rather than "happy Hanukkah"? It seems there's a big arse entitlement culture amongst Christians in the USA... --[[User:Jeeves|Jeeves]] 04:38, 16 November 2007 (EST)
  

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I've aways thought that Christmas was a great holiday. The only problem is that Christians are trying to take over this ancient pagan festival.--Bobbing up 04:16, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Just to update you, I'm pretty sure that has already happened - about 1200 years ago. ;-) --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 04:25, 16 November 2007 (EST)
I'm not sure that's true. The Ancient Spirit Of Christmas - getting drunk, increased sexual activity, eating a lot, Odin driving his reindeer through the sky - still exists despite over a thousand years of Christian influence on the celebration. In fact I think that, for many, it's the ancient spirit that's now the most important aspect. ;-) --Bobbing up 04:47, 16 November 2007 (EST)
Of course it's up to people themselves to inject whatever meaning they wish into the celebration, if any at all, but I'm not really seeing a lot of people sacrificing goats in Midwinterblót, or dancing chain-dances to make Hors turn into Koleda, or whatever else one could think of. And where such traditions have survived, they usually lack any of the original religious meaning. I'm also pretty sure that most of those people who talk about pagan Christmas festivals often have only a pretty tenuous idea of what those festivals actually were about, or how they differed from each other. That would seem to make it essentially a case of modern reconstruction, rather than survival of ancient religious. And that's fine too, it just needs to be seen for what it is. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 05:10, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Are there any Jewish talking heads who are pissed that wal*mart greeters might wish them "happy Christmas" or "happy holidays" rather than "happy Hanukkah"? It seems there's a big arse entitlement culture amongst Christians in the USA... --Jeeves 04:38, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Twice the fun - thank you Christians!

Well the Christian involvement with Christmas means that we can celebrate it twice, December 25 and January 7, thanks to the division between western and orthodox Christians. Now, I don't know if we must thank Christians or Pagans for Dead Morose, that is, Father Frost. Anyway, thank you Coca Cola for Santa Claus! Editor at CP 04:48, 16 November 2007 (EST)

I thought the "Coca Cola/Santa Claus" thing was an urban myth?--Bobbing up 04:50, 16 November 2007 (EST)
snopes urban myth myth --Bobbing up 04:54, 16 November 2007 (EST)
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