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So far I have been finding it bit clunky, but can we use liquid threads on the forums to make them more forum like? - π 23:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

23:37, 14 November 2010

Is this the hideous new interface planned for the forums?

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX23:53, 14 November 2010

No, this is a hideous new interface available with MediaWiki 1.16. I was wondering whether we should use it on the forums.

- π23:55, 14 November 2010
 

Is horrid. But they always say that about new things. (It's still horrid)

SusanG Toast23:56, 14 November 2010

I do like that you can reply to people at levels though.

- π23:57, 14 November 2010

I hate it. This is a Wiki; whatever happened to signing your posts with four tildes and actually having to hit "reload" to see replies?

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX23:59, 14 November 2010

You have to reload to see replies now. At least now you can reload just the thread and not the whole page

- π00:02, 15 November 2010
 

Sorry I misread your reply.

- π00:07, 15 November 2010
 

You can reply at any level in wiki-lang too, just make the indent appropriate. I do it all the time. ħumanUser talk:Human 17:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

ħumanUser talk:Human17:46, 21 November 2010

Hmm, so I hit "reply" to a comment four above this. That comment did not end up where I wanted it to.

I am assuming that one advantage to this ghastly system is that it avoids edit conflicts? I can't think of any others.

ħumanUser talk:Human17:48, 21 November 2010
 

The point is that it's much easier with lqt.

-- Nx / talk17:48, 21 November 2010
 
 

It is ugly, but it's convenient. You can use it on your talk page if you want.

-- Nx / talk23:58, 14 November 2010

The convenience I like. Can we fix the ugly a bit, throw some colours on it?

- π00:00, 15 November 2010

I agree with the number. But I'm getting a 4chan vibe from this. so please don't change the saloon bar.

TyrannisAn iron, yet caring fist00:03, 15 November 2010
 
 
 
 

So do we like this idea or not?

- π12:05, 16 November 2010

I think the consensus is: yes, if you change the colors.

TyrannisAn iron, yet caring fist12:14, 16 November 2010

What kind of consensus? There has been serious dissent (and I would like to be counted among the dissenters), and this is actually a very major change to the site's UI. It'll need a lot more than a couple of people's indifference to allow it through.

Time drug Hoover!18:06, 21 November 2010
 

meh.

Occasionaluse (talk)13:50, 16 November 2010
 

Smiley freakout.gif NO! NO! NO! (But if they are to be used, the background color should be changed to be the same as the background color of the page.)

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX23:43, 16 November 2010
 

It is awful. I don't care what it looks like, I can't even follow this conversation, and my comments are ending up in places I don't expect them to.

The nice thing about using the wiki-syntax for our forums is it is the same as our talk pages and articles - ie, a new user only has to learn one way to have a conversation here.

ħumanUser talk:Human17:52, 21 November 2010

The problem is that they have to learn how to have a conversation. Let's face it, MediaWiki is not exactly ideal for conversations.

-- Nx / talk17:55, 21 November 2010

Neither is this. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

ħumanUser talk:Human18:00, 21 November 2010

Let's see, all you have to do is click reply, type something and click save. No having to figure out where to insert your comment, how many colons it needs, having to remember to sign your posts, and no edit conflicts.

-- Nx / talk18:02, 21 November 2010
 

But this has the added benefit of being incredibly fugly, in addition to being terrible at conversations.

Reminds me a bit of LiveJournal, honestly.

Kels (talk)18:04, 21 November 2010
 
 
 
 

I don't like this. It's not intuitive, even for people used to forums. Things posted as a "reply" don't appear next to comment their replying to, & stacks of comments are hidden, only appearing when you click on "show 14 replies". It's not clear why some comments are tucked away like this & others aren't, or what you can do to make sure your comment remains on the page. This makes it particularly badly suited to what we're trying to do here: gauge the opinions of a wide selection of users, since so many people's comments are going to fall into one of these pockets of invisibility.

It place replies a level under the one you are replying to, in chronological order, like Wordpress blogs. I have it cranked up so that I can see all the replies at once and let me tell you the load time is unbearable. This software is still alpha, which means that the developers still have not settled on the features to be included and there are no plans to use this sitewide - I just wanted to test it in terms of a forum discussion and as the messaging system on my userpage.

- π23:25, 21 November 2010

How do you get it "cranked up"?

Go to my preferences and change your settings for Threaded discussions.

- π01:59, 22 November 2010
 
 

For instance, this should appear under Pi's comment as I'm second. It would save an edit conflict. But considering this is an experimental extension rather than a full fledged install of VB or similar, it's not bad.

The comments should appear expanded up until the newest one under "new messages" which highlights new replies. The ones tucked away are side-tracked threads without new replies. If someone makes a similar reply under the normal talk page system they're equally likely to be missed. Under the usual way of doing it with talk pages, the intuitive thing is to scroll to the bottom of a section - so if someone's indent etiquette says to post a direct reply in the middle of the discussion, you'll miss it unless you were lucky enough to catch it on recent changes.

Scarlet A.pngnarchist23:37, 21 November 2010

Fuck, I just wanted to ask "WHERE DO I ASK TO GET THE "YOU HAVE NEW MESSAGES" THING REMOVED FROM MY WATCHLIST?" but I see no way to make a new section or such. Please kill this until it actually works...

ħumanUser talk:Human03:56, 22 November 2010

At the top where it says, start a new discussion above all the threads.

- π03:59, 22 November 2010
 

It's crap, face it.

ħumanUser talk:Human03:57, 22 November 2010
 

I do like the idea of folding away old comments by default, but doesn't the new message thing do something similar to that any way? It is had for me to tell because I have set the folding default high enough that I don't get folding.

- π04:22, 22 November 2010

"There are new messages for you." Where?

This format FUCKING SUCKS ADMIT IT.

Christ, where am I supposed to look in this pile of shit for the "new messages for you"? I have a fucking talk page for "new messages for me". I also have a watchlist I use. This structure needs to DIE a quick death. Because every time I get the "There are new messages for you." I will come here and say this, since I can't find those delightful "new messages" that are supposedly "for me"

KILL THIS NOW.

ħumanUser talk:Human05:25, 22 November 2010

And I think the new messages page is a great idea, I can see all the new replies to threads I'm following in one place, conveniently highlighted, instead of having to go through Recent Changes (or my watchlist) and spot the pages I'm interested in that have new messages. Going through new replies diff-by-diff is impractical because it is slow, and if I instead look at the whole thread it is hard to find the new comments, especially the ones that go off on a tangent and have been inserted in the middle of a discussion.

-- Nx / talk07:50, 22 November 2010
 

Then click "mark all as read" and it will remove them without you having to bother yourself. Have you not noticed that it highlights the new replies with a box around them? Something that isn't done with new posts anywhere else unless you happen to like trawling through diffs or are lucky enough to catch it on recent changes.

And again, I'm seeing nothing other than "it's crap" and a lot of capital letters.

Seriously, am I the only person that has figured out how to use this without any hand holding? It's not difficult.

Scarlet A.pngnarchist08:48, 22 November 2010
 
 
 
 
 
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