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No offence... but an organised block war just seems a bit lame :\

Also, the Confederate States of America were racist. If you'd like to argue otherwise, please begin by refuting Alexander H. Stephens' length speech at the founding of the Confederation:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

If I were taking part in the founding of a new state, which I believed not to be racist, and the new Vice President spoke these words, not only would I be disgusted, but I'd probably have heckled him. In fact, the enormous non-racist crowd, from the population of this non-racist state, would probably have all heckled him.

    DalekEXTERMINATE00:02, 13 March 2011

    I never said the PEOPLE weren't racist, also an organised block war is better than organised religion.

      Colbert|FanThis sig is so outdated00:05, 13 March 2011

      So: - You accept that the Vice President of the CSA said that the state was founded on the principle that one race is superior to another. - You do not deny racism among the population of the CSA? - You accept that the CSA would rather fight a bloody war than give up slavery; but claim that they were not racist?

      By these standards, what possibly could be a racist state? Could a racist state exist, if this were not one? Surely, Apartheid South Africa was racist, with whites legally seen as superior to blacks? Well what if the whites OWNED the blacks? Would that be racist?

        DalekEXTERMINATE00:13, 13 March 2011

        Also the CSA's constitution specifically gave people the right to keep slaves - and only Negro ones at that.

          - π00:17, 13 March 2011
           

          How is that a nation state (the CSA) the founding documents of which entrench the right of members of one racial group to own members of another (and not vice versa) can be viewed as anything other than racist?

            MtD (talk)01:12, 13 March 2011

            Our friend here appears to be under the delusion that the CSA was founded on the noble philosophical principle of states' rights, which was of course completely separate from slavery and racism.

              Picon small.pngAcer Blue03:33, 13 March 2011
               

              "which was of course completely separate from slavery and racism." --Picon small.pngAcer Blue

              I didn't say it was SEPERATE from slavery and racism, what I mean by "Nor do I believe the Confederacy was racist" means that I don't believe that is mainly founded on slavery. I know that it WAS a racist state, however, so was the US when it was founded(most of the founding fathers owned slaves) and we don't say the US was founded on slavery.

              Putting people to high standards and then saying to supporters of a view "SEE!" is a bad arguing method.

                Colbert|FanThis sig is so outdated03:42, 13 March 2011

                Well if you know the Confederacy was a racist state, why do you have Nor do I think the Confederacy was racist. on your userpage?

                  MtD (talk)03:46, 13 March 2011

                  Miswording, I will change it to Nor do I think the Confederacy was MAINLY racist. Okay, MtD.

                    Colbert|FanThis sig is so outdated03:47, 13 March 2011
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
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