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please cease your campaign of harrasment
You should both stop. You both look like utter morons right now. It's like watching a duo of whining toddlers who are barely sentient and are just reacting to each other with more slapping. It'd be funny if it wasn't so alarmingly tragic.
You are right Armondikov, when a moderator engages in a campaign of harassment towards a user and states they wish to drive them off the wiki then that person should just stop it.
When Ace does it: Not allowed and he steps down as mod. When Nx does it: A-OK with everyone.
I'll say it again, great mod system we have here. And UHM, your hypocrisy is noted.
I said it before, but you seem to need stuff repeatedly told to you: OK with everybody is not the same thing as OK by the rules. I even posted on Nx' talk page before telling him to stop. And as much as I would vote so that we make him stop, that's not going to happen, because he's blocking you. And the rest of the community thinks your a whiny hypocritical bitch.
Well, you were one of the first ones to not give a shit about harassing people while being a mod. You fucked it up for yourself. Fine system you say? Well, next time try not to change that system as you like it in your position.
WTF? I took being a mod seriously and tried several times to make it work. I was the one of the only who took it really seriously and one of the only ones who tried to make it work - alienating my friend Huw in the process. When I realised how bullshit it was I went feral and quit. I have since been the most critical of the mods for them not bootstrapping procedure after I exposed how bullshit the system was. get your fucking facts straight.
See there is your problem: You did:
- Go feral
If you wanted the system to work you should have done this:
- Go feral
It already didn't work - it didn't matter what I did. Are trying to blame me for the mod system being currently unable to police itself? You think that its my fault? It was never codified in the rules to start with.
As a mod you could have brought up that such rules were needed (like Blue did with the voting standards) and you could have tried to find a community consensus for such rules and a process to remove them (and the other six could have done that as well). If you are part of a group of seven that more or less control the rules on a site and you see something wrong with these rules, you shouldn't try to show it would never have worked, but try to make it work.
No system comes out of theory in perfect shape, you always need to adjust it a bit so that it works in practice.
So one has to be a mod to point out failings in the mod system?
No, but opinions of mods have more weight (I don't know if this is because they can ban your ass or because they get respect through being mods). And as much as "setting an example" that it doesn't work might work for you, to the overall community it doesn't. To the community it just looks like hypocricy acting against what you believe and becoming a whiny bitch if somebody else does it to you. And as this is RationalWiki that deals with hypocritical, delusional crazy people all day there's alarm going off for people and the same way people don't really care what happens to Maratrean they start not caring for you either.
You might think that is tedious but many people don't read everything another user writes, and if one only has a partial impression (completely besides that you, erm, "changed" your opinion and argumentation several times) and isn't able to read your mind, that's the outcome.
Under no circumstance do opinions of mods have more weight. This is the very problem with some of you an the "mod" system. If you would understand mods are just like everyone else, though they are there to enforce the will of the majority if that is necessary, it might actually become something I'd endorse. but right now, this very attitude is the problem.
Godot is exactly right. Mods are servants of the community.
But as Nx aptly points out, the community is rather rotten, and as such, the mod system in its current conception fails miserably. And since we can't change the community, we can't change the system.
Of course they are humans that make mistakes (that's why I'm not calling for the removal of Nx and I believe I didn't with Ace either the first weeks) but if you are a mod you need to behave in such a way that it doesn't cause even more trouble. That they don't enforce the opinion of the majority is a personal problem of every mod and the problem that the userbase elects people it already knows will be partial in many situations.
I think a month or so before Blue did it I posted a proposal for voting standards and almost nobody gave a fuck about it (I think many didn't see it either), Blue starts it and thanks to being a mod trying to calm down conflicts over what votes count or don't, should be stricken or not, she puts up a vote on a voting system that is now our standard. She could do this because she was a mod or maybe because nobody gives a flying fuck about what I think, but I haven't seen many normal users care about such things either.
Why should a mod have any different standards of behavior. They are not super users. They are not morally, ethically or in any other way more important than any other user.
They should not of course, use their Mod Powers out of line or for their own goods (which happens all to often around here), but they are not obligated, requested or at any time held to different standards.
Mods are not more important than any other editor, UMH, except that they have one extra job that should not be used very often.
You couldn't take the responsibility and the fact that you couldn't harass Maratrean anymore. That's why you quit, you're a child. Nx's actions of late might be frown-worthy, but they aren't as bad as yours, by the way.
Why couldn't he harrass Mara? Seems to me one has nothing to do with the other.
Whatever it takes to say something nasty about Ace, Godot. Don't you get the theme with several of these guys?
Firstly, fuck off Brx. My taking responsibility nearly cost me a friend in that I had to come down heavy on Huw. I quit because the position was worthless. I don't expect you to understand, having no friends and seemingly holding only the responsibility of being worthless pig. Nx's actions frown worthy? Hmm seems to me he is abusing his mod position far more than I. But that is alright, because, I am addressing you now Godot, Nx has taken charge and with Brx in the wings he can no longer do any harm. If I make any action towards Brx or Matarean that Nx dislikes he'll get right back into it. A targeted campaign from one of RW's mods. Brilliant stuff eh? And to protect two of the most disruptive and unwanted users in RW history.
I quit because the position was worthless. So, why did you immediately nominate yourself again?
Hmm seems to me he is abusing his mod position far more than I What moderator rights have I abused? Blocking you is not a moderator right, you know.
And to protect two of the most disruptive and unwanted users in RW history So, it's ok for you to harass and attempt to drive away Maratrean and Bricks because you consider them disruptive and unwanted. Got it.
My taking responsibility nearly cost me a friend in that I had to come down heavy on Huw. QED.
Couldn't support your cronyism.
Cronyism? You are fucking dense Brx. I lined up with everyone else during the Human lynching. Have you not been reading or paying attention? Or just trolling as per usual.
My taking responsibility nearly cost me a friend in that I had to come down heavy on Huw I believe you said that. One of the reasons you didn't want to be a moderator anymore was because your friends had to follow the rules too.
I love how you talk as though I have any sort of influence.
Nah, the system is shit because the community is shit. It's A-OK for Bbmaj and Ace to block Bricks for 3 months if they feel like it (back when Bricks wasn't a sysop), but if anyone dares even suggest that maybe they shouldn't be doing that, and, I dunno, maybe they should have their sysop rights removed because you can't reason with them, then that person is ruining RW and making it not fun etc.
Start blocking Ace however, and then it's harassment and suddenly the same people are all bleating on about rules and standards and such. It's almost as ironic as Human's whining when I called him an abusive asshole.
It was only harassment after you did it continuously for over 24 hours Nx.
Some people also said it was harassment against brx, and got harassed for doing so.