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Revision as of 21:40, 27 August 2007
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HI..... That's All I have to say at the moment
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SIRCHUCKB, FURTHER TO THE LEFT THAN GHANDI
Liberals Trust what they see, Conservatives trust what they want
I'm a College Student in Colorado (Music and Political Science, thank you for asking)
Like many people, I found out about Conservapedia through Lewis Black via the Daily Show, and thought "this can't be real." I learned, sadly, that it is real..... So I came up with an elaborate scheme to make someone in power over there look stupid and thankfully, it worked (see below)
In other news, I am the founder and head pastor of the Church of Chrismacarolism, and am proud to accept EVERYBODY to our flock. (for more infromation, visit our founding here [[1]]
My Conversation with TK
- This is an hour long AIM conversation I had with Conservapedia Sysops TK, it took a lot longer than I thought to get him to take the bait and block me, but in the end it was well worth it............. To save time, I edited out parts of the conversation and posted all the good stuff. If you want the full version, leave me a note and I'll be happy to send it you.
Just to clear it up, I'm Frokishi and he's Exculpatory1... enjoy
- FroKishi (7:52:58 PM): is this TK?
- Exculpatory1 (8:00:06 PM): hello
- FroKishi (8:00:24 PM): no problem, I just wanted to have a quick word with you
- FroKishi (8:01:36 PM): Well, I'm on, or was on Conservapedia, i'm SirJim..... I recently got blocked... even though I saw that I was doing more talking than anything... so I did some major edits to a couple of pages and still got blocked... you comments
- Exculpatory1 (8:01:52 PM): ahhh
- Exculpatory1 (8:02:01 PM): well, you know, the owner did warn you
- FroKishi (8:03:13 PM): yes, and I agree with that... but if you look at my history, I made a major edit the Al Franken Page, as well as almost completely redoing the Fencing page..... all of my talk comments as of late have been about those two pages...... and the one asking if we could include some stuff on Ann Coulter... I fail to see how comments about stuff I'm editing can be considered trolling......
- Exculpatory1 (8:04:31 PM): And you also fail to see how communicating with the admins is a good thing as well?
- Exculpatory1 (8:04:43 PM): I have no personal grudge here
- FroKishi (8:05:15 PM): I think you do.... but that's another point all together...
- Exculpatory1 (8:07:15 PM): you know you were making tweaking posts
- Exculpatory1 (8:07:25 PM): you wanted a reaction, you got it
- Exculpatory1 (8:07:36 PM): try to at least be honest in private
- FroKishi (8:07:38 PM): How was I making tweaking posts?
- Exculpatory1 (8:08:01 PM): if you have a burning need to debate, try debate.com
- FroKishi (8:08:02 PM): I added like four books from Franken and completely rewrote and added to the fencing page/.........
- Exculpatory1 (8:08:14 PM): yes, i saw
- FroKishi (8:08:20 PM): I think you have a power problem and simply block anyone with a liberal idea......
- Exculpatory1 (8:08:32 PM): well, that is true, about liberals
- Exculpatory1 (8:08:40 PM): like you didnt know, lol
- Exculpatory1 (8:09:02 PM): cannot you guess the POV of the site, by its name?
- FroKishi (8:09:15 PM): So is that what this is about really...... simple censor in a roundabout way.... find any petty excuse you can to get rid of dissent? Sounds kinda sovietesque to me
- Exculpatory1 (8:09:29 PM): just like Wikipedia
- Exculpatory1 (8:09:31 PM): same there
- FroKishi (8:10:20 PM): I don't edit Wikipedia, so I wouldn't know... but you call yourselves conservative.... Can I take your statements to indicate that Conservatives approve Censorship as long as they disagree with what's being censored?
- Exculpatory1 (8:10:32 PM): there is a nice way to engage people, and a snide way
- FroKishi (8:10:50 PM): Well, I tried nice and got BS answers, so I thought I'd try it this way
- Exculpatory1 (8:10:52 PM): yes, exactly that is how you should take it
- Exculpatory1 (8:11:15 PM): posts that are hostile to conservative thought are not really appreciated
- Exculpatory1 (8:11:25 PM): anti christian statements are not welcome either
- Exculpatory1 (8:11:49 PM): being since we are a family friendly, conservative and christian friendly wiki
- Exculpatory1 (8:12:09 PM): Sir, you now want me to instruct you on civil behaviour?
- Exculpatory1 (8:12:20 PM): if your parents didnt, I have no chance!
- FroKishi (8:12:38 PM): You wanna get personal..... Cause I've been trying hard, but I can take it there if you want]
- Exculpatory1 (8:14:03 PM): no
- FroKishi (8:14:17 PM): Then please leave my parents out of this conservasation.... this is between you and me
- Exculpatory1 (8:14:21 PM): i am merely responding to your request to point out to you uncivil behavior
- Exculpatory1 (8:14:41 PM): as for getting personal, i am merely a site admin
- Exculpatory1 (8:14:48 PM): i enforce the owners policies
- Exculpatory1 (8:14:55 PM): they are not open for debate.
- Exculpatory1 (8:15:27 PM): your entire POV creeps into your posts
- Exculpatory1 (8:15:32 PM): they come across hostile
- FroKishi (8:15:57 PM): How? Because I question whether or not NewsBusters and Townhall.com are a reliable source.... How dare I
- Exculpatory1 (8:16:02 PM): you dont see me running over the the Daily Kos and posting.....
- Exculpatory1 (8:16:17 PM): it wasnt just that, but your posts on main page talk
- Exculpatory1 (8:16:46 PM): perhaps to be a critic is in your nature, and I wont make you wrong for that
- FroKishi (8:17:07 PM): because I added another point of view? Is your position so weak you fear outside imput? Or are you just upset that I made points you couldn't counter with bad debate tactics?
Exculpatory1 (8:17:15 PM): however, to take the time to make a negative/snide remark about a picture added by a sysop, is really going out of your way
- Exculpatory1 (8:17:27 PM): we are not a debate site, see?
- FroKishi (8:18:57 PM): there was nothing negative about that..... I said that the pic was funny, talking about the first pic that had one fencer in the air and another attacking them vertically...... I am a competitive Fencer and was in the national rankings.... I never once had my feet leave the ground.... When I saw that the picture had been changed to a good one, I deleted my old comment and apologized... if you would stop looking under the bed for liberal boogeymen and read a FUCKIN post, you might have notcied that
- Exculpatory1 (8:19:25 PM): gosh, dont get so worked up, lol
- Exculpatory1 (8:19:50 PM): why is it important to you to come to some small marginal wiki and argue idealogy?
- FroKishi (8:20:41 PM): Don;t you know that dissent is crucial for anything to grow.... IF you're secure enough in your views and your beleifs, you'd have no problem with some dissent.... all your actions show that you're scared
- Exculpatory1 (8:21:28 PM): well, i can understand a liberal thinking that
- Exculpatory1 (8:21:42 PM): however our mission is to present the conservative/christian POV
- Exculpatory1 (8:21:52 PM): not to allow a platform for dissent
- FroKishi (8:22:04 PM): Wow... sounds kinda authoritarian to me
- Exculpatory1 (8:22:08 PM): there are plenty of sites for that.
- Exculpatory1 (8:22:18 PM): it sounds like specialization to me
- Exculpatory1 (8:22:36 PM): There are thousands of left wing sites
- Exculpatory1 (8:22:46 PM): they do not allow conservatives to argue their pov
- FroKishi (8:23:16 PM): hmmm... squashing all dissent so only one point of view is available.... sounds alot like Hitler and Stalin to me..... and name me some sights that don't allow conservatives their own view
- Exculpatory1 (8:23:47 PM): Daily Kos, Moveon.org, to name two of the largest, and Wikipedia too
- FroKishi (8:24:10 PM): Moveon has dissenting views all the time.... do you actually read these sites, or just repeat what the leaders tell you to?
- Exculpatory1 (8:24:36 PM): LOL
- Exculpatory1 (8:24:48 PM): Ariana is a close friend, Huffington
- Exculpatory1 (8:25:08 PM): please don't pull that novice bull crap on me
- FroKishi (8:25:21 PM): Which novice crap is that?
- Exculpatory1 (8:25:22 PM): they hound and chase off anyone who disagrees
- Exculpatory1 (8:26:10 PM): but by your statements, you show me you don't think conservatives are entitled to their little corner of the net, that they need to have enlightened poeple like you to tell them they are wrong.....pretty eleitist, eh?
- FroKishi (8:27:37 PM): Not true at all... in fact, I have no cause to be elistest... I think Conservatives have every right to their part of the web, just as liberals do, but saturating yourself with one view point and refusing to allow dissent only serves to play to the ego and alienate from other people.....
- Exculpatory1 (8:28:11 PM): that would be true if we were operating some discussion board
- Exculpatory1 (8:28:16 PM): but we are not.
- Exculpatory1 (8:28:48 PM): and since I am not a Young Earth Creationist, I should point out to you, I am a dissenter there.
- FroKishi (8:29:53 PM): and that matters..... why?
- Exculpatory1 (8:30:37 PM): you are the one who said we were not allowing dissent
- Exculpatory1 (8:30:44 PM): oh
- Exculpatory1 (8:30:56 PM): you meant YOUR dissent!
- FroKishi (8:32:21 PM): Not at all, nice attempt at turning it around however.... how many people have been blocked because they dissent the conservative viewpoint? It's not hard to find out how many have been.... and if you dissent on that, why don't you post about it? maybe becuase you know that you'll be blocked.
- Exculpatory1 (8:33:37 PM): I have posted hundreds of times my dissent, even with the owner, all quite publicly
- Exculpatory1 (8:33:53 PM): The difference is, I don't do it with rancor
- Exculpatory1 (8:34:03 PM): well, most of the time, lol
- FroKishi (8:35:01 PM): Oh, I have rancor now..... That's interesting, because all of my posts were done very politely and I was happy to admit my mistakes when they happened.... Sorry to contradict you on this, but for a site that loves freedom and hates censorship, you sure engage in a lot of censorship and kill a lot of freedom.
- FroKishi (8:35:14 PM): or do you only value YOUR freedom
- Exculpatory1 (8:36:03 PM): All done very politely, if you do say so yourself?
- Exculpatory1 (8:36:27 PM): Isn't what communication is about, isnt that about how the other person takes your comments, not you?
- FroKishi (8:37:41 PM): That can be said, but in the event of a miscommunication and a incorrect intent, it's the responsibilty of the offended to bring it to the attention of the speaker, is it not? Unless you have a connection to the pyshic world I'm not aware of
- Exculpatory1 (8:38:23 PM): Well, gee
- Exculpatory1 (8:38:33 PM): Lots of posts to you warning you to back off
- FroKishi (8:39:35 PM): every post told me that I was spending too much time on talk pages, not enough editing, so I did some editing, just come out and say it.... you wanted to get rid of me as soon as you learned I was liberal and only needed a filmsy excuse
- Exculpatory1 (8:40:35 PM): if that was what i wanted, i would have said, and i wouldnt be chatting with you
- FroKishi (8:40:53 PM): right.... so why was I blocked even though, you admit, I was editing pages....
- Exculpatory1 (8:42:04 PM): making a couple of edits, and continuing to be confrontational are nto the same
- FroKishi (8:42:24 PM): Confrontational? Because I suggested we could find a better picture.....
- Exculpatory1 (8:42:31 PM): yes
- Exculpatory1 (8:42:47 PM): a new person, warned about talk posting too much, do ing that
- Exculpatory1 (8:42:48 PM): yes.
- Exculpatory1 (8:43:02 PM): and then telling the site admin he has been contributing, lol
- Exculpatory1 (8:43:28 PM): two edits
- FroKishi (8:43:32 PM): Wow.... so I can;t even post on talk pages when I'm doing edits to the page.... so in the future, you should tell people no discussion, simply change whatever the fun you want
- Exculpatory1 (8:44:05 PM): now, if we can reach some understanding, i am not hell bent on keeping you off, but i gotta say, given what you are saying here, someone else will remove u in short order.
- FroKishi (8:44:36 PM): You know, according to your 90/10 rule, two posts for 25 post is acceptable....... just letting you know
- Exculpatory1 (8:44:56 PM): lol
- Exculpatory1 (8:45:04 PM): i have never blocked anyone for that, i dont think
- Exculpatory1 (8:45:11 PM): it is a guideline, you know
- FroKishi (8:45:14 PM): or do you admit the rule is subject to change based on personal feelings....?
- Exculpatory1 (8:45:34 PM): certainly, like all rules!
- Exculpatory1 (8:45:38 PM): like all laws
- FroKishi (8:46:00 PM): I see, nice of you to admit the conservative viewpoint, here in reality land, I was mistaken about that
- FroKishi (8:46:03 PM): my apologies
- Exculpatory1 (8:46:20 PM): does everyone speeding on a street get a ticket?
- Exculpatory1 (8:46:29 PM): or does the shiny new red one get it?
- FroKishi (8:46:39 PM): That is a horrible analogy, I hope you know that........
- Exculpatory1 (8:47:03 PM): in your very own humble opinion?
- Exculpatory1 (8:47:27 PM): admins are like taffic cops
- Exculpatory1 (8:47:32 PM): i think its very apt
- FroKishi (8:47:56 PM): admins are like traffic cops.??? You're fat and eat a of donuts? That explains quite a bit actually
- Exculpatory1 (8:48:22 PM): ahhh, well take care.
- FroKishi (8:48:37 PM): indeed, feel free to read your comments on Rationalwiki in like..... five minutes
- FroKishi (8:48:50 PM): thanks for biting, it's been fun
So, what can we learn from this.... First off, we learn that TK does indeed hate liberals (big shock) and yet, he's close friends with Huffington.... Amazing... On top of that, he's now officially acknowledged that Conservapedia, despite their professed hatred of Stalin and Hitler and Castro, opperate in a very similar manner... We have also learned that Conservatives view laws as subject to change when they feel like it......
Some amazing observations.
May Dickens be With You