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::Because they're in Russian. Hope that helps. {{User:Nutty Roux/sig}}{{User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk}} 23:09, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 
::Because they're in Russian. Hope that helps. {{User:Nutty Roux/sig}}{{User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk}} 23:09, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 
::You are right only particularly. ''Some'' of this articles are on another site (in some group in some social Internet network like facebook). My friend is an author of this some translation and he told that I can take some of result of his work. Other articles (more then 50) are represented only here.--[[User:Bertran|Bertran]] ([[User talk:Bertran|talk]]) 23:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 
::You are right only particularly. ''Some'' of this articles are on another site (in some group in some social Internet network like facebook). My friend is an author of this some translation and he told that I can take some of result of his work. Other articles (more then 50) are represented only here.--[[User:Bertran|Bertran]] ([[User talk:Bertran|talk]]) 23:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
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:::But quite a lot of them seem to be translated from TalkOrigins, where "Copyright © 2006" or similar appears at the top of every page.  The article texts don't lose their copyrighted status when they are translated into another language.  Have you contacted the authors to check whether they are cool about having Russian versions of their articles hosted on a Creative Commons wiki where they could be edited by anybody?  {{User:Weaseloid/sig|}} 23:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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New logo large.png Welcome to RationalWiki, Bertran!

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Hi there, and welcome to RationalWiki. User:Tmtoulouse would be the go-to guy for creating a Russian section of this Wiki. The Spikey Punk I'm punking my punk! 19:58, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your help!--Bertran (talk) 23:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the Russian work. Scarlet A.pngnarchist 23:37, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi!Vitus (talk) 07:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Contents

Racio-Viki vs RacioViki

I'm going to recreate the other language logos because there are some problems with them, and before I begin I'd like to know why you put a dash in there? Why not just RacioViki? -- Nx / talk 08:13, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought about it during a long time. I proceeded from the rules of creation of new words in Russian. But a word "RationalWiki" (and "RacinalWiki" etc.), as I understand this, is not created with complete accordance to the rules of English. So, I think, you can to remove dash out there to support RW-traditions. And I'll remove dash out there in the article. OK?--Bertran (talk) 12:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I'll upload the new logos in a minute. -- Nx / talk 12:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Sysoppery

Congrats, you have been made a sysop. Any questions, refer to your text book. The Spikey Punk I'm punking my punk! 00:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!--Bertran (talk) 00:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Russian Redirects

Hi there, curious about all your redirects. I am not sure they are necessary? Whats your thinking on this? Ace McfuckingAwesome 20:25, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind, I see what is happening - carry on and ignore me in future. No good will come from paying heed to my insane ramblings. Ace McfuckingAwesome 20:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
In the future, there will be the Russian-language papers. Because of this, it is easier to do redirects now than to replace the numerous internal links from English into Russian in the future.--Bertran (talk) 20:31, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Cookie half.jpg For demonstrating exemplary goatery in the line of duty, Concernedresident
has awarded you a used pre-owned! and slightly stale cookie.
Ewwwwwww.
Cockroaches ate half of it.
I can't read Russian, but I assume it all makes sense. Nice idea. Concernedresident omg!!! ponies!!! 18:26, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much, from me! Scarlet A.pngnarchist 18:38, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Thank you!--Bertran (talk) 18:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
My browser won't allow me to reply in the forum thread, so here's my take on this. I'd say continue, and what you're doing is appreciated. Each new article creates maintainence overhead, and this is compounded in localized articles, but if an article is later found to be gibberish we can just get rid of it. Please continue! Concernedresident omg!!! ponies!!! 19:00, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

List

Instead of adding each article to your talk page you can use the following code:

<dpl>
category       = Русский
createdby      = Bertran
listseparators =,¶#[[%PAGE%¦%TITLE%]],
</dpl>

This will list the articles in category:Русский that you have created.

Scarlet A.pngnarchist 15:21, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! This is very helpful advice.--Bertran (talk) 15:27, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Machine translation

In my reply to your comment is a machine translation of my comment into Russian, feel free to clean it up. Myrtonos@ 13:20, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll take this into account.--Bertran (talk) 13:35, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Also, if you'd like, I could place draft translations in your userspace for you to work on. Myrtonos@ 09:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure, that I completely understand what you are talking about. What are the drafts you have in mind?--Bertran (talk) 11:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I am referring to say placing automated translations (which are drafts) them in a page titled User:Bertran/ARTICLENAME. --Myrtonos@ 11:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Are you talking about already existed Russian articles or about new articles (have not yet written)? On already existing Russian articles, all the translations were cleaned up. Actually, I didn't use draft to write them. I make my articles completely finished after first edit.--Bertran (talk) 14:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I mean new ones, automtaed tranlation requires cleanup, but can still speed up the process.--Myrtonos@ 11:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry for my incomprehension (my English is poor). But I will clarify again. You are talking about a big lot of automatical translation to drafts, and you propose, after that, to clean up all these automatical translations (which are in the drafts) to the mainspace, are you? Or you are not?--Bertran (talk) 14:00, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

No, I mean that if I have permission, I would like to put automated transltaions in your userspace so you (and other Russian contirbutors) can clean it up. --Myrtonos@ 14:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, you can do this. You can send your automated transltaions to the page User:Bertran/Automated_translations--Bertran (talk) 15:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I did but there was a citing error.--Myrtonos@ 00:14, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I fixed the citing error but you still havn't got to work on it. --Myrtonos@ 10:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, there is a lot of various translation mistakes. I can't remove them without original (English) version of article.
English and Russian languages are too different, so actually it needs to translate (at least, for me) sentence by sentence, spending nearly 3-5 min per sentence. I.e., automated translation is good only for short, simple sentences, and, especially, word combinations. But structure of compound sentences is often very different in these two lenguages and automated translation doesn't give yield a good result. Also, there is a lot of problems with stylistics and polysemy of many words.
If you want, in the future you can create pages like User:Bertran/ArticleName in my user space and not use User:Bertran/Automated_translations.--Bertran (talk) 17:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes but if an article does contain some short simple sentences those could still be translated using automated translation, I have one for you, however you did say that automated translation was good for short and simple sentences and word combinations, as the article deos contain some of these I did run those as well as section titles through rustran but still leave you, as a person, to what you can do better that the computer. --Myrtonos@ 06:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for helping in contributions to the Russion section. But some Russian sentences are looking not very good. Today or maybe tomorrow I'll incomplete translation of this article in a new page, so you'll be able to compare both versions and to fill diferences between both literary languages. Even simple sentences are often (aproxiomatly in a half of the cases) translated incorrect (because of multiplicity of meanings of many words of both languages) by Google Translation.--Bertran (talk) 11:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Babelboxes

cat doesn't work, but you can add them If you like. ТyTalk. 21:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I do. If you need some Russian literary translations, you can ask me, and I'll do this.--Bertran (talk) 21:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Eh?

What exactly are you typing in Russian?--Colonel Sanders (talk) 20:18, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

This pages are Russian translations from [1] and [2] to Список утверждений креационистов.--Bertran (talk) 20:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Maybe I am a little dimwitted but perhaps you could explain why you are posting russian translations of talk origin pages on to the mainspace of rationalwiki. --DamoHi 21:46, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I do this with accordance to the purpose of Russian RationalWiki. If you are asking for legitimacy of this making, you can talk to user:Tyrannis, or user:Armondikov, or see discussion: Forum:Other_editions_of_RationalWiki#Articles like Большинство мутаций вредны.--Bertran (talk) 22:07, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Well russian pages I can understand (sort of) but you are just posting translations from another site. We shouldn't be a dump for another site's material like this. --DamoHi 22:19, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Firstly, this translations are my own work and own work of my friends. And we do this, because there is no Russian translation of talkorigins at all, while their project is, maybe, the best anticreationist project in Internet. And secondary, this responses to creationists' claims, some of which are translations from talk.origins, are not finished. And, of-course, they can be improved by adding some other responses. You can compare this process with EvoWiki (i.e., [3]).--Bertran (talk) 22:37, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I am sure they are wonderful translations and I am equally sure they will be of value somewhere on the internet. I just cannot see why you think that they are appropriate for an English wiki. --DamoHi 22:47, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I've already explained it at Talk:RationalWiki#Information_about_Russian_section.--Bertran (talk) 22:52, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
(EC) Damo, you might have missed the discussions that led to RationalWiki:Languages. Picon small.pngAcer Blue 22:53, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Phone editing EC ugh. I see great value in Bertran's project with expanding our reach by providing an important resource that he says isn't available in Russian. Why do you think this is an English only wiki, are you aware of the prior discussions in which consensus was derived in support of the project, and have you seen Trent's post about us getting a substantial amount of new traffic from the FSSR? Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 22:58, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Maybe I missed part of the discussion, but my understanding was that Russian RW (& any other languages) would contain translations of existing RW articles, plus new content in the same vein. Translations of articles from other sites opens up a lot of issues, like copyright & like changing the nature of the site. I'm not really in favour of that. €₳$£ΘĪÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 23:00, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
EvoWiki is a part of RationalWiki now. So, my translations of EvoWiki seems satisfy your requirements. On the other hand, talk.origins almost completely coincide with EvoWiki in responses to creationists' claims (because, as I understand, EvoWiki were a part of talk.origins earlier). That why this translations can be considered as translation of already existing articles, which belongs to RW.--Bertran (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes exactly. I have two objections to this; 1 I don't think we should have foreign language articles(but this appears to have been decided already), 2 these "articles" are just copies of another sites material. We wouldn't allow them if they were in English, why are we allowing them just because they are in Russian? --DamoHi 23:05, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Because they're in Russian. Hope that helps. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 23:09, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
You are right only particularly. Some of this articles are on another site (in some group in some social Internet network like facebook). My friend is an author of this some translation and he told that I can take some of result of his work. Other articles (more then 50) are represented only here.--Bertran (talk) 23:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
But quite a lot of them seem to be translated from TalkOrigins, where "Copyright © 2006" or similar appears at the top of every page. The article texts don't lose their copyrighted status when they are translated into another language. Have you contacted the authors to check whether they are cool about having Russian versions of their articles hosted on a Creative Commons wiki where they could be edited by anybody? WěǎšěǐǒǐďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 23:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
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