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Please don't arbitrarily recreate pages that have been deleted by consensus. It's hardly going to endear you any more than you already have. This is not the place for you to spout you random theories. [[User:Psygremlin|<b><font color="blue">PsyGremlin</font></b>]]{{User:Psygremlin/sig|}} 11:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 
Please don't arbitrarily recreate pages that have been deleted by consensus. It's hardly going to endear you any more than you already have. This is not the place for you to spout you random theories. [[User:Psygremlin|<b><font color="blue">PsyGremlin</font></b>]]{{User:Psygremlin/sig|}} 11:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
  
:Psy, where did you get the idea that I have any theories? I'm curious. Are you so ill informed that you don't know that they are Einstein's theories. Please tell me what is your source of this information. I'll be happy since I hear it also from creationists that I have some theories that they don't approve (because they notice, unlike you, that they might be Einstein's whom they hate for not beliving in creation). [[User:JimJast|JimJast]] ([[User talk:JimJast|talk]]) 12:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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:Psy, where did you get the idea that I have any theories? I'm curious. Are you so ill informed that you don't know that they are Einstein's theories. Please tell me what is your source of this information. I'll be happy since I hear it also from creationists that I have some theories that they don't approve (because they notice, unlike you, that they might be Einstein's whom they hate for not beliving in creation of souls from nothing; or even the souls themselves).
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:And also why do you call Einstein's theories "random". If you don't understand them, the same as those creationsts, it doesn't mean that nobody understands them. There may be people who understands them and are unhappy if you delete something that thay might be happy to read.
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:Suppressing information is not a good thing, even if more often applied here than in CP. RW folks love to suppress information.  How they want to learn enything beyond some tightly guarded dogmas? Maybe that's why they have such tight minds not allowing any new ideas. But it is not rational. So why to keep this name and mislead guys like me who look for rational wiki? I already got the message theat rationality here is only in name, and that CP with lass propaganda is much more rational as far as science is concerned than RW. So actually I don't need your prompting to move Einstein's "random theories" elswhere. [[User:JimJast|JimJast]] ([[User talk:JimJast|talk]]) 12:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hello there. Welcome to the cabal Wiki. The Spikey Punk I'm punking my punk! 01:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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Gravitation lesson 4

To make it short I use links to the pieces from my Gravitation Demystified, alpha version of my PhD paper, starting with quantum features of Einsteinian gravitation, then comes piece telling in more details what is gravitational force and finally how it can be demonstrated how the speed of light chages around the gravitating particle to produce the required gravitational force.

Your "articles"

It's bad enough that you spam your rants on the talk pages of editors who have clearly indicated that they don't want to discuss your theories, but creating mainspace articles for the sole purpose of attention-whoring is definitely not cool. Stop this now. Röstigraben (talk) 11:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Roesti, I didn't discuss "my theories" since I don't have any. They are all Einstein's. But I can stop discussing them as soon as my opponents stop anwering. Otherwise I feel it is impolite not to answer to questions. Unless you have your own reasons for me to stop. Would I hurt your feelings with my answers? JimJast (talk) 19:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Debategraph

Hello JJ, have you seen DebateGraph. I think if you are looking for rational argument, it represents a structure much more likely to get it than this place is. I think Wikis are too linear, too unstructured; their nature doesn't encourage reason, and it requires discipline to get reason out of them; but this place is sorely lacking in intellectual self-discipline. What do you think? Actually, Lumenos, who is around here sometimes, has a similar idea of DebateMap, but is trying to do similar things sticking to a textual format, rather than a graphical one. (DebateGraph behind the scenes is less graphical, actually more like a tree-structure, the graph is just to make it easier for people to comprehend.) Would you be interested in joining a structured debating project with me? Your interpretation of Einstein could be one of the things to be debated.... Zack Martin HolyMaratreanSigil.png 00:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mar, I like it but how to start a debate on e.g. interpretation of Einstein? I think it should limit the amount of nonsense one reads while following any debate. As e.g. about the existence of God: RW crowd does not believe in its existance but almost all of them believe in the Big Bang not even suspecting that this belief was planted in their minds. In this case by creationists who trully believe in existence of God and are just smart enough to know how to influence human brain to accept it and of course it is not with the radio waves but with "logic" that a human mind would accept.
As I already wrote in "Einsteinian gravitation for Poets"
"Some kind of logical reasoning often supports such religious knowledge. The logical reasoning proved to be insufficient to rely on it exclusively and so, perhaps surprisingly to many, is not used in science to prove that something is true. It is not even used in religion, which relies on revelation rather than logic since theologians know that logic can't be used to support any religion. Religion can be supported only by faith. The reason that logic is insufficient is that it may be as easily applied to true assumptions as to false ones, and that we rarely know which is the case at the moment.
Logic is however used a lot in magical thinking and so by demagogues as a tool to convince people about the legitimacy of their opinions. It is because humans are easily convinced by logic, very trustful of charismatic figures, and very careless about the assumptions on which the seemingly logical reasoning is based."
Over 95% of Germans were convinced by Htler's "logic" and possibly as many Russians and other dumb humans with Stalin's "logic" though not Nazis bosses themselves, at least not Goebels who said that "when I hear the word 'culture' I keep my pistol ready". He knew himself very well how to fool people so he knew the technique.
About 95% of humans believe in any nonsense that those who know how to control their minds want them to believe, if it is done right, according to "laws of psychology". In case of RW it seems to be the reverence of science that keeps them believing in the Big Bang and opposing theists for whom they feel like being necessary to have a response to each question. The Big Bang was proven to be science fiction mathematically in 1985 and observationally in 1998 yet the news was not allowed to be published in any scientific journal for some reason. My gueass is that editors of scientific journals decided either to wait until old professors for whom it might be a shock, die out, or that they might be afraid that such blunder as neglecting to check first the amount of intrinsic redshift in the universe migh diminish the public trust in science together with diminishing amount of money for it and consequently for them and other "scientists". And since cosmology is of very litle consequence to the hard sciences, only the beliefs of RW folks, now false, are the results of this policy, and I didn't know it even, until I saw the RW. Personally I "believe" it is a wrong policy for many reasons. Between others, because, as prof. Aldus Dumbledore said: "on average it is better to say the truth than to lie" :-)
Now there is no way of convincing the RW folks about it since they refuse to learn physics from Feynman whom they consider naive (do you believe that?) and they consider themselves knowing the truth about the Big Bang better than any physicist (surely better than JJ even never learning any). Which says something, and also positive :) about human nature. So I actually like the situation. It teaches me a lot (as my sculpture teacher said: "I learn from you guys a lot, though only what not to do, but then it makes me a better teacher").
I think the technology you propose may be called something like CCT (crap cutting technique|technology) and then instead invoking PRATT we may use in its place let's invoke CCT or just making it a verb: let CCT it. Which might resamble another neologism, CC (crypto creationism) which represents pretending that we don't believe in supernatural while we do support the supernatural by believing in the Big Bang, which was made false by Einsteins' relativity a quater of a century ago, and lets the RW folks to understand their true nature. And now some CC, who managed not to fall asleep yet, reading this stuff is bound to write "Hey, JJ, why don't you CCT it yourself?) JimJast (talk) 09:01, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Crypto creationist

Please stop dropping crap into mainspace which doesn't meet basic mainspace criteria & isn't wanted by anyone else in the community but you, & stop reposting it when deleted. Consider this a warning. WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 20:26, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Weaseloid. Your brothers in faith burned Gordano Bruno in 1600 for maintaining that Creator is an illusion not being reflected in the real life (ie. there is no such an object in the universe). Since then there was some progress and it became illegal to burn people at stake for their beliefs. Though removing their legitimate opinions from RW apparently wasn't. My opinion about Crypto creationism was already removed so what is actually that you are warning me of? JimJast (talk) 09:09, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
If you really want to help then stop trolling and write articles that ordinary folk who are not post graduate physicists can understand? I'm not Jesus (talk) 09:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Brian. I haven't known what "trolling" means. I just heard "stop trolling stop trolling" (I'm new here). So now I found out and saw a caveat under troll(5.1), which you should read too. So I have a news for you: I'm no troll. I just didn't expect that you guys don't know that the Big Bang is a creationist hypothesis since it assumes creation of energy from nothing in a miraculous way, which does not agree with your supposedly "Rational thinking" (neither with mine, that's why I called you crypro creationists :-). So it was a misunderstanding on both ends and so now I can gladly stop "trolling". But if you want to know how this problem of supposed mirculous creation is solved in real physics I may explain it to you since I'm doing my PhD in it and I should test my explanation on some opponent with common sense arguments, and so far nobody asked me any question. Just kept deleting my stuff mumbling "stop trolling stop trolling".
And Brian, I'm not Jesus neither so I can't know what you don't undesrtand without you asking specific questions. If you never ask anything I assume you are a smart guy who understands everything and I don't explain what I think you already understand or know. JimJast (talk) 22:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Why not CP?

It seems that everyone here at RW is rather committed to wrongheaded ideas about gravity, but there is another Wiki where they do reject the common interpretations of Einstein's work: Conservapedia. It doesn't matter if you aren't a conservative, I think they will take your essay anyway. Just make an account, post Gravitation Demystified, and see what happens. Right now they don't have any editors who know anything about science, so I'm sure they would be grateful for work on cp:Gravity and other physics articles. Good luck. --95.154.230.191 (talk) 20:32, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, I know RW people like to mock Conservapedia, but the bottom line is that CP gets much more traffic than RW ever will (though some RWians are in denial about this). If you post your stuff on Conservapedia a lot more people will read it, especially if you stick it in the main gravity article. --95.154.230.191 (talk) 20:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I looked at CP:Gravity and it needs a lot of fixing since those people still believe that things attract each other (as in times of Newton most folks did, except for Newton himself, who knew enough physics not to believe in action at a distance). So it looks that the amount of work needed is going to be like cleaning Augean stables: arguing with folks attached to their convictions against common sense.
I tried it already in wikipedia and was kicked out by consensus 9:1, out of whom there were 3 physicists (not even gravity physicists though, about whom Feynman already expressed his opinion). So it looks like level of ignorance in contemporary society is still high even among physicists. On the other hand, comparing to RW where many still believe in creation of energy from nothing (supporting the outdated Big Bang hypothesis) the CP may not look as bad. So I'll try to register there and test their world view. At least I don't think that many folks outside RW may still believe in miracle of creation of something from nothing as it is insisted upon in 1973 "Gravitation" by those 3 creationists Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler. JimJast (talk) 08:22, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Conservapedia is boring

Try A Storehouse of Knowledge. They are creationists, but they may yet be interested in your rebuttal of Big Bang theory. Zack Martin HolyMaratreanSigil.png 10:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Dynamical friction of photons

Please don't arbitrarily recreate pages that have been deleted by consensus. It's hardly going to endear you any more than you already have. This is not the place for you to spout you random theories. PsyGremlin話しなさい 11:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Psy, where did you get the idea that I have any theories? I'm curious. Are you so ill informed that you don't know that they are Einstein's theories. Please tell me what is your source of this information. I'll be happy since I hear it also from creationists that I have some theories that they don't approve (because they notice, unlike you, that they might be Einstein's whom they hate for not beliving in creation of souls from nothing; or even the souls themselves).
And also why do you call Einstein's theories "random". If you don't understand them, the same as those creationsts, it doesn't mean that nobody understands them. There may be people who understands them and are unhappy if you delete something that thay might be happy to read.
Suppressing information is not a good thing, even if more often applied here than in CP. RW folks love to suppress information. How they want to learn enything beyond some tightly guarded dogmas? Maybe that's why they have such tight minds not allowing any new ideas. But it is not rational. So why to keep this name and mislead guys like me who look for rational wiki? I already got the message theat rationality here is only in name, and that CP with lass propaganda is much more rational as far as science is concerned than RW. So actually I don't need your prompting to move Einstein's "random theories" elswhere. JimJast (talk) 12:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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