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[edit] Ken's (and Beck's) History 101 "test"

Hey, Ken - guess what - that history 101 test you were bleating about? (link to it on Beck's page) - ACED IT! And I'm not even American (although seriously, if that's the standard of your university history teaching then no wonder China's taken over as #1. Or maybe it's just hard for conservatives. Or for people who believe in magic trumpet sounds from the sky?). Oh yeah, and here's the proof:

UH Hist 101 Blaze.png

Oh, and question 3 is wrong - the Puritans didn't come to the US to escape persecution. They came to persecute. Just ask all the Baptists they hanged. PsyGremlinPraat! 12:36, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Uh yeah, I went to State School in the UK, have had no formal education covering US History, and I aced that. It's not exactly taxing, though I have no idea how much history is taught in US schools. Actually not a very high proportion of UK history is taught in our system either, but we have so much more history to cover. Worm (talk) 12:49, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I also "aced" it. I was very disappointed though. It promised to test my knowledge about the greatest nation on earth, but all the questions were about America for some reason... --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 14:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I aced it too, and I'm both British and an imbecile. I guess if it wasn't so easy it would leave beck fans a little alienated if they couldn't do well. AMassiveGay (talk) 18:00, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Yep, I aced it as well. Now, I wonder if Kenny would do remotely as well on a test on British\English history. Anyone know if there is a link to such a test? Oldusgitus (talk) 18:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
It said I aced it the first time through. Then I went back and answered every question incorrectly, this time it said I passed with flying colors. Talk about grade inflation. Marlow (talk) 20:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Aced it. The questions are grade school level. --TheLateGatsby (The end of the dock )Moderator 20:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Went back and answered about half the questions correctly, still said I aced it. Funny definition of aced I guess. Marlow (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I just intentionally answered all the questions wrong (to the best of my knowledge - some questions are a bit vague) and it said I passed with flying colors. Cow...Hammertime! 22:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Aced it. But where's Ace? Would he ace it? DogP (talk) 18:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Bloody stupid. "Aced It" & I know next to nothing at all bout American History. I was convinced that I'd fail before I started. Then did it again - all different answers - "Passed with flying colours" Really STUPID! Scream!! (talk) 18:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Apart from the first few questions is was very easy. If your average American adult can't ace this then perhaps Ken, Andy and Co have a point about their state school system.--Mercian (talk) 14:49, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I have no interest in taking such a "test," partly because I suspect it is a way of gathering data. In aid of what? Don't care. Has anybody deliberately given wrong answers, and been told that they screwed the pooch, or does it always dispense a feelgood at the end? Alec Sanderson (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I think there are three grades, "You aced it!", "You passed with flying colors' and "You're missing a few important facts but there's till room for improvement". I got that third mark the second time I took the test when I intentionally answered every question incorrectly. I aced it the first time. It's easy peasy pudding and pie primary school stuff. Ken, passing that test is nothing to crow about if any liberal limey nancy-loving atheist can do it. -Spud (talk) 16:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Aced it. Apparently I've been known to visit Civil War sites and collect World War 2 memorabilia. I must have done that in my sleep. Cardinal Fang (talk) 20:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Rob Smith: All is forgiven.

Baby, won't you please come back to meimg? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 15:40, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

This is gold - Rob you have to go back. The return of the prodigal son, it's almost biblical, except this prodigal son will return triumphantly. Tielec01 (talk) 02:19, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
The only problem is he'll have to ask permission in the soopah-seekrit chat room... and as it's only Andy and Kara left in there, and both of them ignore all of Ken's posts, it's not going to happen. PsyGremlinPraat! 16:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I'd enjoy watching Nobbykins kiss Ken's demonic ring for the chance to get his powah back. If nothing else, it'd get him out from underfoot here. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 20:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Are we like the girl friends who remind Rob he broke up with Ken in the first place? Well, here's Ken in Rob's own words:
CP does have another TK, and it's User:Conservative. TK actually did have some leadership skills, occassionally did listen to others, sometimes willing to negotiate, could persuade and was willing to be persuaded, at times. Ken combines the worst traits of Ken & TK, with zero leadership ability, and zero tolerance to even listen to others. It would be a mistake to say he's ideologically blinded, cause to have an ideology you would be able to discuss and defend it, and he can't do that. He's demonic. Even the demons believe in God, tremble, as the bible says.
Don't crawl back, Rob! You're better than that. Not much better, and you're still not all that great as a person, but at least you're kinda better than Ken and them. --Night Jaguar (talk) 01:06, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
But the Alexa ratings are in the dumpster. If I could generate some interest...it's tempting...nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 03:21, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
"In the dumpster": discarded. "In the dumper": suggestive of crap. Whoover (talk) 02:58, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I think Rob is adorable. "Oh! A challenge! Shall I apply my wiles and turn this doomed train around? How intriguing..." What a white knight! What a ridiculously inflated view of his own relevance!
Go for it, Rob. Your public needs you. Phiwum (talk) 13:06, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Kenimg: Things are going be different now, baby. I'm new a man. I've mellowed. No more fights. I always did love the way you stoked irrational fear of communism. --Night Jaguar (talk) 14:13, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Oh Nobby, he loves youimg and misses you. The question will you follow the all to common template of the abused and go back just so when kenny gets bored he can start kicking you all over again? Or you could always go back and go deep cover parodist :-) Oldusgitus (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Jokes aside it's impossible to make CP into anything not a joke now, just because it's CP. It could have a daily readership of millions but it'd still have all the baggage that comes with its history. It'd be possible to start a new website with CP's original goals and have that as a success, so long as no old CP users had a prominent position in it. X Stickman (talk) 12:33, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Not my place to say Robs but just remember how these people, Ken in particular, hung you out to dry. Ken is only making this offer because he is without a friend on Conservapedia.--Mercian (talk) 15:39, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Lots of activity this Memorial Day. Not a hint of "Thanks to our men in uniform for keeping us free to post hate." The closest is "ISIS is Obama's fault because he won't send more Christians to die in the desert." This level of hypocrisy is what makes CP such a fine humor site. Whoover (talk) 16:10, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Kenimg: "By the way, did you ever notice that Andy never mentions the editors at "ritionalwaki"?" Yes, I've noticed his tendency to ignore his critics. "No doubt he considers them far too trivial and far too beneath him to trifle over." Yet you obsessively read us. More probable that he just doesn't want to leave his little bunny hole. "If only they graduated from 3 Ivy League universities" 3? I'm only aware of him graduating from Princeton and Harvard Law. Anyway, if it is three, he's done jack shit with those degrees. "had a notable mother" How is that an accomplishment? "argued before high courts" And lost while having a judge literally laugh at his arguments. "had students who have graduated from some of the finest universities" Says more about those unfortunate students, since Andy is such a horrible teacher.
If this is what you want to go back to, Rob, by all means go. --Night Jaguar (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Aaand the edit has been deleted, and the capture failed. Cømrade FυzzчCαтPøтαтø (talk/stalk) 01:54, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I've always tried to strike a balance between the two - there's certain things you can do at CP that can't be done at RW and things that can be done at RW that can't be done at CP (I don't mean testing the limits at both, my goal has always been to combine mainspace contributions from both to make solid NPOV contribs that would stand up per WP standards). And to Ken, sorry I haven't responded sooner. No hard feelings. We have successfully collaborated in the past, and I see no reason we couldn't in the future. Currently I'm immersed in present day national security affairs (meaning Islamic and Chinese stuff rather than Cold War communism). As to editing, I'm already doing that, updating and preparing Obama's legacy on domestic affairs (hope you like it). To return as Rob Smith (my real ID) and be more active, I'd have to have access to the Main Page, with the election coming up and all, you know. And upload privileges, of course. nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 04:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Remember this, Rob?
Kenimg: "Please be very careful when communicating with RobS. Do not trust him. Based on this discussion with some atheists who have shown malevolence towards this website, I think RobS has little reluctance to try to stab others in the back if it strikes his fancy. I think RobS is at heart an unstable egotist who thinks he has great influence over members of an atheist website. [...] I do think now that RobS is now morphing into what the Soviets call "a useful idiot" and he is in the process of becoming a pawn of an atheist website." #stirthepot --Night Jaguar (talk) 06:15, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I see kenny is busy editing 7 year old archivesimg now. Replying to a user that anger bear blocked 7 years agoimg Oldusgitus (talk) 09:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
That right there is my occasional reminder that User:Conservative might not have it all together, mental-health-wise and thus it is time to tell people, including myself, to think about completely ignoring him and stop pointing at him and laughing. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 14:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
The Obama Riots! Adorable, Rob. Just keep saying that, and people will think that these are fundamentally riots about Obama, and not about local police forces and their use of violence. Not a pathetic strategy at all, no. Phiwum (talk) 11:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
We're writing history here, and his legacy. The MSM surely has discredited itself in doing this. Everyone instinctively knows what the term means. Now, as they said of Lincoln, he belongs to the ages. nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 12:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
"We're writing history here"
Bullshit. You, Rob, are spinning a cluster of unfortunate social circumstances, and the suffering of real people, into an attempted smear of the commander in chief who has been twice elected (without the taint of hanging chads or SCOTUS intervention,) a president who has since been dealing with the steaming fetid leftovers of the Bush/Cheney clusterfuck, as well as trying to work around an obdurate intransigent feckless legislature. It's like you were a middle schooler trying to get his clever saying adopted and repeated by his peers. "Obama riots" my ass.
There was a time when I thought you were rehabilitating yourself into a reasonable interlocutor and middle-east historian, getting away from the specious irrelevant bullshit assertions that were your trademark for so long, but you've shown yourself to be still the same old totalbs, with scant regard for the price of fish. Joe Goebbels would be proud of you. Alec Sanderson (talk) 13:52, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Mazal tov, Godwin's Law, thread is now deader than dead.--Arisboch (talk) 14:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
This is why I shy away from domestics affairs and focus on national security. Remember, I cut my teeth in politics in Nixon era. nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 20:24, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Dirty tricks only get you so far. Their short-term gain is too often offset by a failure to win hearts and minds. Then there is always a risk of getting caught, with the infamy that entails. Alec Sanderson (talk) 21:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Waitaminute now, is Nobs confessing to being a member of a vandal site currently editing on Conservapedia using a sock account after being banned there, or is he being a typical deceitful RatWiki agitator trying to cast doubt on the legitimate contributions of OscarO? Either way, I thought that they frowned on that sort of stuff over there. Vast swathes of the Internet have been banned for less.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 14:05, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Who's or what's "OscarO"? --Arisboch (talk) 14:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

And there'simg the threat. Welcome back Rob, just so long as you do whatever kenny wants of you and until he decides to get rid of you again. Oldusgitus (talk) 12:40, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
The pagecap bot is broken. Again.--Arisboch (talk) 12:46, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
No, you just have to let the poor little thing have enough time to do it's magic. Oldusgitus (talk) 14:18, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
ack.--Arisboch (talk) 14:26, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

I've tried to stay out of this but, Rob, you're still full of shit. RW is a broad community so stop trying to justify yourself. You are what you are and you're welcome. Save your pathetic mewling for CP London Grump (talk) 18:48, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Andy has an insight.

Come on August get in there and tear his latest one to piecesimg Oldusgitus (talk) 20:21, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Five years ago.img Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 20:35, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Andy is the only "authority" on the planet who maintains that Jesus wrote "Hebrews." I really think the sole point is to troll AugustO. Whoover (talk) 21:52, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I remember that insight, I thought this was a new one. Has it really taken him 5 years to actually get around to updating the page on the epistle? Oldusgitus (talk) 05:06, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] A New New Andy Insight!

Math and the Bibleimg - because set theory, the word "infinite" is mentioned three times, and some mathematicians read the Bible.

Let's hope he runs with this, it could be hysterical. PsyGremlinPraat! 17:09, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Excellent. Of course, he may want to be somewhat careful about who he picks as examples of religious mathematicians, I mean sure, Gödel read the bible, but I'm not sure Kurt "I like Islam" Gödel is Andy's idea of a good role model. Worm (talk) 12:39, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
What is the connection between mathematical infinity and the use of the word infinite in the Bible? Category error, do not pass go. 31.51.113.23 (talk) 13:29, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh my ****ing God. I was about to snark about muslims inventing algebra, but googling algebra invented gets a main entry for the Gates of Vienna blog. Google, you need help. BicyclewheelModerator 17:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Maybe it's because of the unusual use of the word "invented". At least it seems odd to me to speak of the "invention" of algebra. Phiwum (talk) 18:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Depends on your philosophy of mathematics whether it was "invented" or "discovered". Anyway, I chuckled at AugustO criticizing Andy for using a source who describes himself as a flunk out who worked as a janitor and currently works as a "second rate programmer"img. What do you expect from that man that cited a dinner conversation and used a post on a forum to disprove relativity?img --Night Jaguar (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Quality Science

JoeyJ has been busy polishing a bunch of science "articles." This one survived as the better of a redundant pair: Radical, manimg. I can't figure out if the author was a parodist or just didn't "get" chemistry. Whoover (talk) 18:40, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

The author's user pageimg says he "doesn't have the expertise" to write lengthy articles about chemistry. This is true. Or he's just kidding. Cardinal Fang (talk) 22:49, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] CP goes 503 all the time

Why in the devil does the CP go "HTTP 503" all the time? What the hell kind of shit server has Andy there? Or does he use the CP server to also download pr0n?!--Arisboch (talk) 12:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

My guess is that despite the constant record high number of viewers(!!!!) Andy has never upgraded the servers. AyzmoCheers 13:22, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I can't imagine Schlafly running servers on his own -- cheap web hosting? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 13:24, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
He keeps the db server on a desktop in his house so Obama can't get his hands on it. Fonzie (talk) 22:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
And running it off Terry's generator. BicyclewheelModerator 17:08, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
I bet Wikipedia isn't that prepared! Once ObamaHillarygeddon hits, CP will be the only source of information available. Vulpius (talk) 23:10, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] TAR

It has been more than two months since TAR's last edits. You recall that he had a low level of editing for months and then bumped up the spam farm campaign toward the end of 2014 to help launch James Wesley Rawles' new book. He then dropped out for a few weeks without explanation prompting folks to start cleaning up the mess that he had left behind. Cons even edited the Manual of Style to accommodate his spaming. Then, on March 24, TAR disappeared again. All of TAR's promises to add quality content have been forgotten.

What happened? If TAR has left permanently, there has been little effort to clean up his James Wesley Rawles spam. Any insights? Similar Observation a Month Ago Hclodge (talk) 15:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I did think of starting to clean up some of his shite but then decided it was more fun to leave it there. I reckon he may possibly be a little manic, rather like ken can get at times, and I wonder if possibly he is currently in some form of treatment regime which is keeping him off cp. Oldusgitus (talk) 16:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
I had considered that as well, particularly with the two abrupt departures. I also found his actions struck at the core of the CP belief system: Andy's theory is "We conservatives (and home schooled high school students) can build an online encyclopedia just as good as what the liberals are building over at WP." The original group that Andy recruited, particularly Ed Poor, developed a manual of style and a set of articles that worked toward that goal. Some of it was then laced with Andy's unique insights into relativity, evolution, RINOs and the Bible, but the aspirational goal was very similar to that of WP.
When TAR came on the scene, he started mumbling into Cons' ear about SEO and the number of links, so TAR-as-SEO expert convinced Cons that turning CP into a spam farm to promote James Wesley Rawles would be beneficial to driving readers to CP. Yet, James Wesley Rawles has not reciprocated or promoted CP and CP's rankings continue to drop. In addition, TAR drove away the few editors that still had aspirations to communicate content on CP. Now hundreds of CP articles are complete incoherent spammy drivel. I used to find CP's coverage and criticism of WP to be interesting and someone current. TAR and Cons shut that down. Hclodge (talk) 14:59, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

We are coming up on three months since TAR's last "contribution" to CP. Cons reports "I got in contact with TAR and he is going to start editing Conservapedia again probably sometime in September of 2015.Conservative 22:18, 1 June 2015 (EDT)". I find it amazing that a spammer can come in, produce minimal substantive content, trash a large number of articles with non-relevant See Also spam, leave 2,500 red links and then have his mess protected from correction with just the oral off-wiki promise of a possible return seven months into the future. Hclodge (talk) 13:39, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] More Quality Science

It's always hard deciding whether Terry's crap site, CNAV, is CP or clog. I usually put it here so I don't have to create a link there, with all the malware warnings that entails. But under the heading of "Refutation of three common icons of evolution"img we have Senior Science Correspondent, Roseann Salanitri, debunking Tiktaalik, "the walking whale," with

The counterpoint to this is rather simple. Do they really expect us to believe that the giant creatures we know as whales were able to walk on land on nothing more than underdeveloped fingers, wrists, elbows and shoulders?

A primitive tetrapod relative can't be that because whales can't walk. These creationists are so cute when the try to get all sciency. Whoover (talk) 22:59, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

On the peppered moth example, Insanitary is out of date (& I don't just mean because she relies on a 2.6kYr-old poem for what passes as her biological education). Creationists have relentlessly attacked the idea that predation by birds drove selection of melanic morphs during the industrial revolution and counter-selection in the last 30-50 years, perhaps because it's such a clear example of natural selection in action. This even got to the point where proper biology textbooks said the hypothesis of selection by predation isn't proven. The late, great Mike Majerus gathered definitive evidence for the role of predation in selection, published posthumously by Cook et al. (2012) 'Selective bird predation on the peppered moth: the last experiment of Michael Majerus', Biology Letters. The paper isn't difficult to follow so there's no excuse for someone who wants to comment seriously on natural selection in peppered moths not reading it. Answering Insanitary's specific objection, 35% of moths rest on tree-trunks. Cardinal Fang (talk) 20:43, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, of course, but we've seen that before. I think conflating Tiktaalik and Ambulocetus is her own lovely contribution. Devonian, Eocene, what's the difference? They're all synonyms for antediluvian. Whoover (talk) 21:34, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Don't forget Roseann's belief that the Linnean classification system, which puts bears in the Animalia along with snakes and sea stars, is in fact a claim that snakes and sea stars evolved from bears. Carl Linnaeus, you so crazy! She is really just weapons-grade ignorant.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 01:23, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't underestimate Rosanne's wilful ignorance. When the Cook paper says that 35% of moths rest on tree-trunks, I expect she'll ignore it because it doesn't fit her preconception that all evolutionary biologists are liars and make up their evidence. If she's reading this, she's welcome to prove me wrong by retracting her claim that the peppered moth story was fabricated. Cardinal Fang (talk) 15:47, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
You missed Ken's response?img Why doesn't he just post here?Whoover (talk) 18:28, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Roseann is one of terry's New Jersey tea party cabal. She is no doubt going to be the one providing the sandwiches for terry and his cohorts as terry cranks up THE GENERATOR as the US collapses into atheist marxism, all because poor people may be getting slightly better medical treatment. Oldusgitus (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Whooever, I guess he doesn't post here because we'd simply tell him to Read The F****** Paper. There's really no point selectively quoting older opinions that peppered moths don't nest on tree trunks when newer data shows they do. Cardinal Fang (talk) 21:52, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Not to mention the fact that he is coward, a big girly coward with no machismo. He cannot dictate the tone of the conversation here let alone ban and oversite anyone who disagrees with him.--Mercian (talk) 15:00, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Here is one of Hurlbut's actual explanations for Tiktaalik:
"It is actually an antediluvian laboratory chimera and hence an out-of-place artifact of a society already known to have been inordinately cruel."
I think even most creationist avoid argumentum ad ancient-cruel-scientists-made-it. --Night Jaguar (talk) 03:20, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm speechless. That's South Park meets Sodom and Gomorrah. I guess. I gotta go wash my brain. Whoover (talk) 06:12, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

New one: menstruating wimmins exude toxin(s) in sweat, saliva, urine, milk, tears, and exhaled breath (!) that subtly poison other living things. No one has proven otherwise! Therefore the Bible was written by YHWH.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 00:15, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Just so you can all share the complete idiocy of an apparently medically qualified person, what Martin is referring to is chuckies comments on this pile of gibbering shiteimg. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:15, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Best of all, he presented the menotoxin theory from the 1920's as "New discoveries in science."img Terry must have found it in Phlogiston Today. Whoover (talk) 16:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
The fuck is Menotoxin?--Arisboch (talk) 17:39, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
My pleasure. Oldusgitus (talk) 18:25, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Oh my god, and the CP does really take that shit for real?--Arisboch (talk) 18:27, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Don't necessarily conflate CP and terry. Andy lets terry link whore to his hate blog cnav because andy's not going to admit he made a mistake by making terry an admin. So unless ken decides to pick a fight with terry his shite stays there. terry thinks it is true, I suspect if you asked ken would SAY that he thinks it it true. Andy will do, say and believe whatever his mummy tells him he does. Oldusgitus (talk) 18:54, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Oh, and don't forget. Orthodox jews also believe this afaik. That is why an orthodox jews is forbidden from touching a menstruating woman. Their fairy tale books tells them so. So basically no red wings for any orthodox jew or xians of the kind of terry I guess. Oldusgitus (talk) 19:01, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Most Orthodox Jews don't believe, or care, that there's a scientific basis for menstruating women being impure. They believe they are because the Torah says so. End of discussion. Any observant Jew will tell you that they don't eat pork because the Torah says so, not because of trichinosis. Jews generally do a much better job of justifying rituals as acts of faith, and not requiring science to be warped to confirm them, at least compared to the current culture of Christian fundamentalism. Whoover (talk) 22:10, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. Arguably the whole point of Orthodox Judaism is doing stuff that makes no sense at all because God said so. Doing things that make sense any fool can manage, but going out of your way, wasting time and effort to obey rules that make no sense, that is the sign of a true believer. In fact, Orthodox Judaism argues against rules lawyering of a type where you technically obey the rules but it doesn't cause any inconvenience. The idea is that being a Jew is special, and so blending in is a denial of who you are. Refusing to "Just get along" with how other people do things is about the closest Orthodox Jews get to proselytising. Chances are if you were to magically found a rational society with a bunch of slightly arbitrary but inoffensive seeming rules that didn't go out of their way to take specific religions into account, more or less the first religious people to say "Oh, sorry to trouble you, but I'm afraid we can't obey these rules, can you change them?" would be Orthodox Jews Tialaramex (talk) 00:26, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Pretty much off-topic, but thought I'd put in a link to 'The Year of Living Biblically', which is quite an interesting read about a guy who spent a year trying to follow the rules in the bible literally (apart from the ones involving death) Amazon link Worm (talk) 11:02, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Does Andy Ever Think?

His latest headline is Liberal claptrap fails to silence reporters outside of the Beltway: "A handful of the regional interviewers invited to the White House didn't make it easy on the president," left-leaning Politico.com admits.img Reading the story we learn the press is giving Obama a hard time about the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. Not a surprising perspective from "left-leaning Politico" since it's liberals who dislike the deal and it's primarily Republicans who are trying to help Obama get it passed. Is Andy's position that the TPP is bad, aligning him with the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party? Or is it that it's good but Obama's for it so we have to root for it to fail? The enemy of my enemy is my friend, even when my enemy is my friend? Does Andy have a rational position on anything? Ever? Whoover (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Andy? Think? Are you mad? Ajkgordon (talk) 07:48, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Andy and thinking? What the hell are you smoking??--Arisboch (talk) 21:27, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
A "left leaning" news outlet is criticising a "left leaning" president, which in Andy's mind must mean Obama fucked up massively because no one ever criticises someone on "their side", regardless of their actions. That's why Andy has to take extra pains to declare someone a RINO or Not A Real Christian before he lays into them, the idea of actually disagreeing with someone who is genuinely part of your group is absolutely alien to him. Which is really sad. Not sad in a "sad and pathetic" way (although it is), but sad as in :(. X Stickman (talk) 17:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
No. The real story here is the multinational corporate conglomerates are using TPP to push their anthropomorphic climate change claptrap and the GOP establishment are stooges of the global warming agenda. nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 17:36, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────No nobs, the climate is changing. Something like 98% of climate scientists think it is down to human actions, I stand to be corrected on the actual percentage. Essentially the only people who oppose this view are either scientists in the pay of fossil fuel industries or raving - non scientific - idiots like Nigel (i made no mistakes) Lawson and the raving fucking moron Christopher Monckton. The reason that many multinationals are acknowledging the reality of climate change is bacause they pay lots and lots of highly educated scientists lots and lots of money to tell them the truth. TPP is shite for all sorts of reasons, largely because moronic libetarians have hijacked it to push their idiological bollocks. The shiteness of TPP has nothing to do with the reality of climate change and your, and the wingnut wing of American politics, denial of it. Oldusgitus (talk) 18:25, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Rob, if you want to understand the first thing about TPP etc, look at the basic dichotomy of the EU. On one hand, you want to remove the barriers to free trade between nations. On the other, you need to provide social and environmental protections to stop the market raping everything for a quick buck. The GOP, like the European right, likes the free trade part and is kicking against the checks and balances. Social and liberal democratic parties and governments, like the European liberal and left parties, are fighting to make the protection as robust as they can.
What makes me laugh is how you "conservatives" are jumping around in lockstep now about something that's been on the table for ages and ages. Shit, in a basic form, it's been around since the mid 90s, when only the rump of the left was fighting it.
It has fuck all to do with conspiracy theories and Agenda 21 and all that shit you and CokeEyes and the other useful idiots get a hard on about.
It has everything to do with money and politics. The man in the street is being shat on again. London Grump (talk) 10:11, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
LMAO! Yes, Rob, corporations care soooo much about climate change. That's why they want the TPP. It isn't because they stand to gain from the TPP intellectual property provisions, even if that means some people in Third World would have less access to affordable medicine because of patent laws. --Night Jaguar (talk) 21:34, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
We all have our ideological blinders - you go on thinking Nancy Pelosi cares about plain folk, and I'll go on thinking corporations really do care about the environment. nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 23:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Dunno if Nancy Pelosi cares about plain folk. Maybe she does or maybe it's just political maneuvering. Probably a bit of both. I do know that the policies she supports are less damaging to plain folks than the ones Republicans advocate. Also, many green groups (e.g, WWF, Sierra Club) have come out against the TPP because it lacks many basic environmental provisions and many of the thing in there that are suppose to help the environment are unenforceable. --Night Jaguar (talk) 00:41, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Why then is Obama cozying up to the greedy corporate conglomerates on this? It doesn't cost that much to build his Presidential Library. More importantly, where is the stinckin Clinton Floundation on this? Strangely silent. nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 00:52, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I've been wondering why the administration has been supporting this so enthusiastically. Haven't been able to find a convincing answer. --Night Jaguar (talk) 01:18, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, the conservative talk radio talking points are, Obama will use TPP Authority to enforce UN global warming goals. nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 03:06, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
The conservative talk radio talking points for the past 7 years have been about how Obama was coming for their guns, setting up FEMA extermination camps, creating 'Death panels' and other utter bollocks. the fact a bunch of rigbht wing liars say Obama is going to try to enforce a UN climate change agenda by using TPP just tells me that it will never happen because the plans don't exist outside of what passes for wingnut minds. Oldusgitus (talk) 06:04, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Since, as I mentioned, the TPP lacks both basic environmental provisions and enforcement mechanisms it's a stupid talking point. But I expect such a thing from right wing talk radio. --Night Jaguar (talk) 13:32, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Several issues are at play (leaving aside this interesting Feb 2014 Atlantic article). Sovereignty being the over arching one. A regulatory bureaucracy would have to be created to enforce it ("we have to pass it to see what's in it"); independence of the Federal Reserve Board seems to be a legitimate concern (as Chinese currency manipulation seems to have provided the immediate impetus); and there are those who are concerned about Immigration issues (which Paul Ryan says is bogus), nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 21:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Setting aside imaginative nonsense like the threat to independence of the Fed, how is that substantively different from the globalisation initiatives you all cheered for together in the past? London Grump (talk) 08:16, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Fundamentally, I believe the 'ol time free trade movement, as articulated by Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, that free trade will lead to democracy, is full of assumptions that are in error. The origins of TPP follow this same mindset, that lifting trade barriers with China is a step in the direction of using outside influences to nudge them toward democracy . Evidence elsewhere, with Russia and Mexico, two prime examples, shows things haven't worked out as advertised.
Now, does this mean we abandon the idea of knocking down barriers, give in to protectionist sentiments, and forget democratic ideals? I hope not, but a dose of realism is necessary when looking at our trading partners, especially since deals the likes of Iran and Cuba are in the offing.
Currency manipulation and a Central Bank's role - be it the Fed, the Japanese or Chinese Central Banks - is indeed a key issue. U.S. Auto makers have complained for years the Japanese Central Bank has openly assisted Japanese auto exports, something they can't ask for or expect from the Federal Reserve. Free Trade agreements are intended to "level the playing field", make everyone play by the same rules. Theory and practice however can remain far apart. nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 04:06, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
^ I may not agree 100% with all above, but it was surprisingly on topic and sensible. Keep it up, Rob. --Night Jaguar (talk) 18:46, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Is "Keyes" supposed to be "Keys" or "Keynes"? Whoover (talk) 05:30, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Alan Keyes. nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 05:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Oh no....

Looks like we're in for another bad couple of months here on the good ship atheismimg. Or perhaps, more likely, ken is pissing in the wind again and all references to this latest opus will be burnt in short order. Oldusgitus (talk) 13:17, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Ken hasn't pulled a TK and had the decency to die or something yet? Christ. --Hojini hao 13:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
I find Ken as irritating as the next person, but that's really fucked up. Leave wishing death on your ideological opponents for the Conservatives, they do it enough for all of us. AyzmoCheers 01:55, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Better to wish Ken a long life because it's the only one he'll have. Cardinal Fang (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
God won't let him die until he's made all those leaflets and books. Which is probably why he's stalling. Fonzie (talk) 22:44, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Atheist = rapist it seems. At least in his Duck Dynasty style fantasy. Still I suppose the teenage target audience of CP need an alternative to abstinence only and factual based sex education and Ken provides it.--Mercian (talk) 01:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] User: Conservative's latest binge.

Jesus, that's one problematic-looking editing pattern; not a lot of time for sleep or sociability. Dude -- take a break. Go for a walk or go catch a movie or something. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 16:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Sociability? Whoover (talk) 16:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Cue "The Twilight Zone" music.img Whoover (talk) 17:17, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Surely there has to be some law or clause to prevent Conservapedia being used as a genuine educational resource. Even the most conservative education board would not sanction Ken DeMyer as lecturer in chief. Any parent who believes topics such as bestiality, rape, peodophilla and now cannibalism to be core subjects need to be investigated for child abuse IMO.--Mercian (talk) 20:42, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Andy Trolls AugustO Some More

Andy's latest treatise is Logical Flaws in E=mc²img, which contains as much logic as a Sarah Palin essay. Predictably, AugustO comes ungluedimg. Does anybody know how to say "don't feed the trolls" in German? Whoover (talk) 01:05, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I do believe you're giving him too much credit there. That sort of gibberish would earn a fifth grader a failing score, and this man is apparently supposed to be a lawyer. --Elvis is King loves Taylor Swift (talk) 01:09, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
It's not exactly gibberish, it's basically just re-iterating Andy's standard position on relativity but now in the form of a bunch of bullet points. The choice of mass is important for E=mc² because particles have both a rest mass (their mass in a special frame centred on them) and a total mass in your reference frame due to their momentum. But if like Andy you refuse to believe in relativity then this looks like a cheesy get-out, just as a lot of mathematics in mechanics looks like a conjuring trick if you decide you don't believe in imaginary numbers or the infinitesimals. Andy also believes that fundamental constants (here light speed) change over time because it's convenient for his theology, and so that gets thrown in too. Tialaramex (talk) 08:32, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
It's still gibberish. Most raving lunatics make some sort of sense to themselves. Whoover (talk) 14:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Andy: DonnyC. What logical flaw? Cat got your tongue?img. (DonnyC had been banned by nasty parodist VargasMilan 2 1/2 hours earlier.img) Whoover (talk) 20:58, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

It's Andy's 'pound of cake' misunderstanding yet again. He thinks the formula applies to digestion. He must've had some really awful teachers if he can't get past that bit of stupidity. Sphincter (talk) 00:57, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I think he understands well enough. I think he is patronizing his audience and believes they are gullible enough to accept it.--Mercian (talk) 01:11, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
The 'pound of cake' - I remember getting banned (and having my edit reverted) when I suggested he try feeding cake to his car to see how well it ran Ruddager (talk) 06:00, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Whether Andy is patronizing, trolling or merely being a moron is a moderately interesting question. If I knew nothing about the man except that he was a lawyer with training as an engineer, and I read his "article" and his responses in its defense, I think trolling would be have to be the diagnosis. But who knows? What I can't fathom is why AugustO and SamHB continue to bang their heads against this wall and spend energy trying to convince Andy he's wrong. He either understands the science and is pretending to be an idiot, or he's an idiot. He's not going to suddenly come out with, "Oh! I see it now." He will continue to respond with nonsense to any and all reasonable points put to him. I want to grab both of these guys by the collar and shake some sense into them. Andy is Andy, but what is their problem? Whoover (talk) 08:02, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Andy reminds me of John Campbell, the SF editor, who used to publish some extremely provocative editorials. He was very reactionary but claimed his editorials were meant to make people think outside their comfort zones. It takes a great teacher to pull that off successfully and constructively...and Andy is no great teacher. London Grump (talk) 08:24, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Andy knows damn well he is talking shite. Thing is once he has an insight he will never EVER back down and admit fault. Witness his son of man drivel in the arguments with August. As for why August and Sam continue. My own guess is that they started out trying improve the crap over at cp but after witnessing andy's idiocy, ken's gibbering inanity and anger bears knee-jerk hatred of anything and everything they gave up on that and now I suspect they are both really just having some fun seeing how far they can push the loonies over there before they are finally banned. And the reason they are not banned is so the loonies over there can pretend to be open-minded by letting them post. I reckon it will be vargasmilan who finally pulls the triger by the way. Which of us is running him this month? Oldusgitus (talk) 10:23, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
I think both August and Sam have said they do it because someone has to think of the children. Ajkgordon (talk) 14:16, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
If parents decide that the Christian Madrassah of Conservapedia homeschooling is the best education for their child, relativity is the least of their problems. Whoover (talk) 16:19, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Andy linked to the Nobel ceremony speech honoring Cockcroft and Walton back in 1951, saying "One experiment would not prove a formula like E=mc2, and the Cockroft and Watson experiment was not even recognized for being consistent with the formula." Reading the speech at that link leads us to the following paragraph:
"The analysis made by Cockcroft and Walton of the energy relations in a transmutation is of particular interest, because a verification was provided by this analysis for Einstein's law concerning the equivalence of mass and energy. Energy is liberated in the transmutation of lithium, because the total kinetic energy of the helium nuclei produced is greater than that of the original nuclei. According to Einstein's law, this gain in energy must be paid for by a corresponding loss in the mass of the atomic nuclei. This assertion was satisfactorily confirmed by Cockcroft and Walton, experimental errors being taken into consideration. Somewhat later, more exact investigations based on the same principles gave a complete verification of Einstein's law."
I don't know whether he's trolling, straight up a liar, or just dumb as fuck. Or some combo thereof. It's gone beyond flagrant into simply baffling. Do judges feel the same thing I do now? Is that why they laugh at him?.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 23:55, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
As for a practical application of E=Mc2, an example that Andy would understand as he loves his weaponry, is the USS Enterprise. It was in commission for nearly 50 years, sailed millions of miles and had to refuel ONCE. Impossible with conventional fuel.--Mercian (talk) 00:09, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Trying to put Andy's maunderings into the form of a coherent argument, perhaps one could say that it is just a coincidence that the mass difference is equal to the energy difference over c^2. Like it's a coincidence that the Moon is just big enough to produce total solar eclipses from time to time, without that implying any underlying relationship between the two. Or that Lincoln was shot in Ford's Theater and Kennedy was shot in a Ford Lincoln. No doubt I give Andru too much credit for having a coherent worldview on the matter.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 01:33, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
This reminds me of CP's utterly deranged Moon article. The talk page is a hoot too. Cantabrigian (talk) 20:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

VargasMilan is trolling SamHBimg in perfect Markman style (parrot insane Andy position as if it makes sense, in order to get innoculated). I'm sure the aim is to get SamHB to lose his cool so VargasMilan can ban him. My bet is on SamHB. He's hasn't survived over there this long feeding trolls. Whoover (talk) 07:52, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Calling him Ken

So, this is a topic brought up at the coop about doxxing, and should probably be atleast mentioned on the page most of the CP community actually watches and could likely end up effecting how we handle CP space So, how did we acquire the real name of Conservative (amongst others) and his hometown? how much was he doxxed and should we really be perpetrating said dox if there's no explicit connection between Demyer and Conservative, even if it is the truth?--Miekal 22:23, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

As an old timer I know that no-one at CP was doxxed and everyone there either explicitly stated there names publicly or implicitly left an internet trail easy enough to follow without ever needing to dox anyone. Ken for example used a variation of his real name and location on Wikipedia before Conservapedia as well as on other sites. Acei9 23:15, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
There is an unbroken trail on the internet from Ken Demyer through KdBuffalo to User:Conservative, which was public knowledge before the founding of this site. (A bit redundant with the previous, but a bit more evidentiary.) Whoover (talk) 23:31, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Is stalking someone on their internet trail and releasing its contents not doxxing? oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 23:53, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Fuck sake, he was known as Ken DeMyer before Rationalwiki as he used his own name in a number of places. No doxxing needed. Acei9 23:59, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Doxing has to involve more than a google search or two. If the doxee posts some distinctive, signature opinions under his own name and then a screen name, and third parties are likely to see both, he's doxed himself. If those third parties then share this information, I don't see how it can be considered unethical. It's a far cry from hacking databases for confidential information. Whoover (talk) 00:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
That's the opinion I hold these days. So why is there such a flap about the Gamergate stuff, when a google search or two brings up all the information anyone has ever posted? rpeh •TCE 08:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Cause RW is pro-anti-GG and anti-CP?--Arisboch (talk) 12:10, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Methinks partly cause GG has used doxxing to harass while RW hasn't, but also partly because RW hates/hated CP sooo bad that we think that naming people & criticizing them as a person is fine. Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 13:00, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Not having obsessively followed GG but knowing some of the background I suspect that for some, myself included, the issue with GG is the not very disguised 'undercurrent' of mysogny. As for Ken, for those with longer memories I'm sure they will recall him doxing someone from here and then setting out to try to destroy that persons business. At that stage I had no idea who ken was, he was just user:conservative to me, and it wasn't until he tried to ruin someone professionally that I heard who he was and his background. He has brought all this on himself imo and fuck him with regard to doxing quite frankly. I feel sorry for him, he needs someone to help him and he needs friends and it is patently obvious he has doesn't really have any of either. Oldusgitus (talk) 18:20, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Those who have been involved or have followed the creationist presence on the internet for the last decade and more know the many characters involved. Ken has been one of the weirder ones with a particular style that is easy to spot from a considerable distance. It has never been a secret who his various pseudonyms are, including Conservative. He uses his identities interchangeably - sometimes through ineptitude, sometimes because he doesn't seem to care. He even responds to "Ken" while logged in as somebody else. While his style is invariably the same (by that I mean his writing and arguing style), his behaviour can swing quite wildly. This has lead to some extremes including his (incompetent) attack on the professional life of an early user on RW. Although a wiki or forum is never a place to diagnose the conditions he has had attributed to him, it seems his stale thought processes and arguing style are so firmly entrenched that he cannot change tack or use new ideas. He recycles old and discredited techniques and creationist positions, even those that fellow creationists have firmly disavowed. Year after year he claims the exact same things are going to happen to evolutionism or atheism. Because of all this, opponents simply treat his collective identities as one (which they are) and point out where he failed in his same arguments the last time. It's economical and effective rather than vindictive. Ajkgordon (talk) 22:38, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
While he is well-known as Ken any details about his personal residence have been removed toot sweet. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? Moderator 13:48, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] SC Murderer

While I'm pleased to see that CP is recognizing the racial aspect of the crime, I am somewhat amused/dismayed to see Andy characterize him as a "bigtime Facebook user". This coming after numerous sites have noticed how inactive his Facebook has been and how it looks quite sparse. Not to mention he's been named a video game player. No mention yet of his political affiliation or religious views. AyzmoCheers 00:44, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure Andy's gonna claim him to be one of the political affiliations he has on his shit list, but why is he mentioning Facebook? Adny doesn't like FB?--Arisboch (talk) 00:47, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure Andy's offspring are facebook users and I'm sure CollegeRepublican plays the occasional video game. Does that make them potential mass murderers ? Ghost (talk) 01:06, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Andy hates Facebook. It's liberal for some reason. But the "bigtime" is a flat-out lie. I looked at the profile before they took it down. There was practically no activity. I've go 85-year old relatives who are way bigger users. And Andy never addresses the fact that 99% of young men play video games. You might as well argue that Coca-Cola drives young men to murder. How the hell does a lawyer keep repeating a "fact" so easily debunked, as by "99% of young men play video games"? How does a judge resist the temptation to choke him during his arguments? Whoover (talk) 04:38, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Maybe some obscure war against modern culture as opposed to the good old days? Religious fundamentalists love to do that kind of shit.--Arisboch (talk) 11:15, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
It's hard to choke someone while you're laughing out loud at them, in court, in your robes. London Grump (talk) 13:49, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Andy Has Another Insight

I swear that Andy lives just to troll AugustO. His latest insight is that "logos" doesn't mean "word," it means "perfection." You might recall that the liberal Bill Gates is to blame for the situation.img You know, "perfection" like in scienceimg. "Perfection" as a scientific concept is not even wrong. AugustO losesimg, of course. Whoover (talk) 19:54, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Seriously, does CP exist anymore to do much but troll a few diehards and be a canvas for a few weird obsessives? -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 20:35, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
AugustO is not taking the "Perfection is the scientific term for Word and thus belongs in the Conservative Bible" insight at all wellimg. "Mumbo-jumbo" is another term for "not even wrong," I'll agree. AugustO! Step away for your own good. Whoover (talk) 06:47, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Eager to show AugustO the power of his new insight on the application of scientific senses when translating the Greek Bible, Andy uses a citation from 1 Kings about the remnant of male prostitutesimg and asks "What is the cardinality of the remnant?img To tie it all together, he pees on Set Theoryimg. No Greek, except that kind of Greek. Whoover (talk) 22:28, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Andy: Racist atheism

Looks like Andy was inspired to create a new article: Racist atheismimg. The article is so out there that Conservative has to correct it: "Andy, I don't think the historical evidence supports that Hitler was an atheist."img. Yes, in a discussion about Hitler and atheism Conservative is the voice of reason. That's how far Andy has gone. --Night Jaguar (talk) 04:57, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

I suspect statements from Roof's pastor about how he's being ministered to in jail won't make it into this article. Whoover (talk) 06:40, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Of course not, cause Roof ain't an atheist, duh. nobsI'm not from this planet, but let me tell u what I think.... 02:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Conservative view of Affordable Care Act

The Supreme Court has now handed down its decision in King v. Burwell, which decided that taxpayers can get tax credits in states that have health care exchanges operated by the Federal Government. Conservative Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts wrote the opinion. The real question here was whether the-true-conservative-approach to health care reform is to take Congress seriously and wait for a majority of Congress and a President to change (or improve) the law or to find nitpicky hypertechnical arguments to use to challenge the law in Court. A majority of the Supreme Court and many people take the first view, Andy has spent most of his legal activity in the past six years taking the second approach. Although Andy's personal efforts could not get within the courthouse doors in a meaningful way, the King v. Burwell decision sends a clear blow to his entire approach. In plain English, the Supreme Court is saying to Andy and his friends, "You got to be kidding. Grow up." I eagerly await Andy's coverage of this case on CP. Hclodge (talk) 17:16, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Terry calls it extortionimg. The theory is that Obama is personally blackmailing Roberts -- threatening to take away his adopted children because he knows they were illegally adopted in Ireland. Really. The main evidence is that the kids don't look Hispanic enough to be from Latin America, as Roberts says. It's all over the internets so it must be true. Whoover (talk) 03:19, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
I actually read John Roberts' opinion. The guy deserves a medal for the clarity of his writing about a very complex topic. I didn't get very far with Scalia's dissent, which is a rant about the precise wording of one phrase in the Affordable Care Act. The opinions are the other way round from what Terry Butthurt says they are. Roberts may not like the Act but he sees his job as making sure that the intentions of the law passed by Congress are compatible with the Constitution. Scalia is the person who's trying to rewrite legislation, by nit-picking about whether the word 'State' does or doesn't include functions which the Federal govt assumes when State govts refuse to enact federal legislation. I would try explaining this to Andy but I'd get further with explaining integral calculus to my dog. Cardinal Fang (talk) 10:17, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Supreme Court & gay marriage

I'm waiting to see what Schlafly having a total meltdown looks like... As Justice Kennedy wrote the majority opinion, Andy can't claim that the liberal atheist communist element of the SC is imposing its views on an unwilling country. (Or can he...???) Cardinal Fang (talk) 14:29, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Of course he will, you so misunderestimating (LOLz) Andy's insanity.--Arisboch (talk) 14:32, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

The Supreme Court's decision is posted. I suspect that Andy will leave it to others (Cons and Karajou) to play it out on the Main Page with an appropriate talk page debate. I bet that CP will never have an article entitled "Obergefell v. Hodges". Hclodge (talk) 16:13, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Obergefell v. Hodges. "The decision is the boldest move yet against the Bible by the Court yet, in implicitly declaring as false the numerous teachings and warnings in the Bible against homosexual conduct." --104.156.228.136 (talk) 19:21, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
The Bible also demands slavery for the children of Ham ("black"): "And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren." (Genesis 9:25) That's why emancipation was declared anti-Christian. The trial judge who sentenced the Lovings to a year in prison for racial defilement in 1959 declared, "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, Malay and red, and He placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with His arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that He separated the races shows that He did not intend for the races to mix." When the Supreme Court overruled him (in Loving v. Virginia, which was cited in today's ruling), it was decried as the most anti-Christian ruling since emancipation. Andy isn't much of a history buff, is he? Whoover (talk) 20:01, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
The courts also allowed barbers to be open (Leviticus 19:27), fried chicken to be sold (Leviticus 3:17), and cheeseburgers to be sold (Exodus 23:19). Sounds like the lawmakers have a lot to do in order to make America more compliant with biblical morality. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 20:07, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Only 5 votes [1]. Of course if it had been 5 votes against it would have been a landslide. As for liberal atheists imposing gay marriage, they did so in Ireland[2] despite a large majority voting for it in a free and democratic referendum.--Mercian (talk) 21:54, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Everybody knows there's no such thing as free and democratic referendum in socialist Europe. Vulpius (talk) 01:11, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure if their side had won 5-4 Andy would be humble in victory. He would not exaggerate the significance of the win and declare "GIVE IT UP, LIBERALS!!!!". Nope, that would not be like him at all. --Night Jaguar (talk) 22:48, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, this is a major breakthrough for Andy, who recently had confined his labors to blocking users, the Main Page, the Talk:Main Page and select content pages dealing with evolution and relativity. It is nice that someone is adding substance to this fine conservative educational tool. Perhaps we should consider the impact of CP on American society:

Pre-Conservapedia

  • Women like Anita Bryant and Phyllis Schlafly were respected thought leaders
  • Republicans like Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush and George W Bush were elected President.
  • Health care reform bill successfully defeated in Congress for 30 years
  • America was proud, and Conservatives called for national unity
  • Family values were well-accepted in America

Post-Conservapedia

  • Sarah Palin dropped by Fox News
  • Barack Obama elected and re-elected President
  • Health care reform under the Affordable Care Act gains widespread acceptance
  • In many, many articles, CP actively promotes migration to the "American Redoubt" and surrender of civic engagement by Conservatives in 90% of the nation.
  • People blindly believe what they read on the internet, and many more people turn to Wikipedia rather than Conservapedia for their information. Andy lost the search engine wars.
  • Stephen Colbert's reach and influence grows dramatically following his mocking of CP.
  • Same sex marriage is recognized as a fundamental Constitutional right
  • CP has become widely accepted as the exemplar for Conservative thought in many online liberal discussions.

So, is America a better place with CP than without CP? Would the time that Conservatives volunteer to CP under Andy's leadership be better spent working on a 2016 Presidential campaign? Think about it. Hclodge (talk) 13:35, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

If significant numbers of influential conservatives were wasting their time editing CP instead of running deceitful think-tanks and lobbying congressmen in Washington then yes, CP would be making America a better place. Sadly, that's not the case. Cardinal Fang (talk) 22:27, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Football World cup

So andy has just added a section to the FIFA World Cup article about the womens world cup having started in 1991. and I was wondering why he'd suddenly woken up to this. Then I realised that tomorrow USA play Germany in the semi's. I'm not sure which will be better, Germany winning sending Ken mad with hatred for athestic Germany and AugustO or the US winning and Andy trying to pretend he understand and likes football. Oldusgitus (talk) 20:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Bet he's only in it for the eyecandy.--Arisboch (talk) 20:21, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
You don't get it -- CP is cheering for Germany. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 20:30, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Of course this shithead would cheer for the CDU's blocking of gay marriage, but if he would look closely at their positions, they'd be pinko commies to him.--Arisboch (talk) 05:37, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
If the godless, gay-luvvin' USA meets godless, gay-luvvin' England in the final, which side will Andy want his god to support? My guess is England, just because Cameron isn't Obama (even though the UK Tory party is slightly to the left of the US Democrats). Cardinal Fang (talk) 23:38, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
If the US beats Germany, what will Andy say? His world was predicated on the gay-marriage drained US losing to the God-fearing frauleins. He's going to have to go with something like lesbians aren't as icky as gay men, so God was merciful this time. Whoover (talk) 00:50, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
What's amazing to me is that Andy believes in a god that fixes soccer games to show His infinite displeasure. --Inquisitor (talk) 00:59, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
He's doubling down on the paranoid fantasy that the liberal establishment will insist Germany be excluded from future gamesimg because Christians are persecuted. Wouldn't one other person have to utter a sentiment before Andy can claim all liberals are saying something? Whoover (talk) 02:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
If he really needed a reason to want someone besides the US to win, he could cite a distaste for anything that could be construed as supportive of Hope Solo. Somehow, though, I don't think he's smart enough to find that escape valve. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
And the USA beat Germany 2-0. This is proof that God disapproves of Conservapedia in general, and Andypants specifically. And that God approves of recent Supreme Court rulings. One of them, at least. --Maxus (talk) 06:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Knowing Andy, he'll declare the match to be a fluke; the USA team to be "overrated" and the single news site that covers it will be declared as proof of a Liberal agenda to inflate how important this is. Ken, meanwhile, will say football (the real one) lacks machismo so it just 'proves' that girly American teams are more girly than girly German teams, so therefore Germany was the real winner.-- Forerunner (talk) 07:00, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

@Inquisitor: God finds it much easier to fix football matches than multi-sided civil wars, homicidal religious maniacs, drought, famine, degradation of the climate and mass extinction of animals. Cardinal Fang (talk) 11:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

How pissed at same-sex marriage must God be, to inflict a humiliating own goal on the UK? Japan has no same-sex marriage, thus proving that God prefers pagans who hate teh gays to Christians who don't. Andy should be all over this, like white on rice. Whoover (talk) 02:09, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
An own goal is bad. Very bad. There's no way of knowing why God was ruthlessly punishing the UK. Marriage equality? Serving beans with breakfast? Who knows? This is a serious portent indeed. --Inquisitor (talk) 08:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
There could be quite a lot of things which have got God wound up about the UK. Eating black pudding (Leviticus 3:17), using real wine for Holy Communion (Lev 10:9) and not leaving wide enough field margins (Lev 19:9) are all possibilities. Maybe he got peeved about prawn cocktail being a popular snack (Lev 11:10). My top candidate is that he's really cross about able-bodied young people not standing up for oldies on the Tube (Lev 19:32) - I'm with him on that one. And how entirely appropriate that he decided to punish the England Ladies football team for the inconsiderate behaviour of London commuters. Cardinal Fang (talk) 22:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Strange CNAV "Editorial," Even for CNAV

Terry's latest guest articleimg makes even less sense than his typical offering. Article here. Darwin apparently plagiarized a Peruvian Jew, but I can't tell if that makes evolution better or worse. There are a bunch of other Jews mentioned but they might not be Jewish enough for the author. Apparently Netanyahu is now a squish, which makes Trump more important. Finally there's a crack about the "Amazon-like" Ruth Bader Ginsburg, all five feet and 100 pounds of her. Can anyone translate this nonsense into English? Whoover (talk) 03:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I was intrigued enough by this to read the article that Terry's partner-in-crime cites for the 'Peruvian Jew' story. It's on creation.com, surprise surprise. I searched within the article for <peru> and <jew> and found nothing. The whole thing is an interesting example of how lying, cheating creationists (and homoeopaths and climate-change deniers) grasp at a shred of truth but twist and distort it beyond all recognition. E.g. the idea that Darwin's uncle Erasmus Darwin was the real discoverer of evolution by natural selection is well-known to be untrue (see WP's page on E.D.) Patrick Matthew is acknowledged to have had the basic idea of the origin of species by natural selection but, as Darwin wrote, it was a "complete but not developed anticipation" - like Wallace's. Matthew's contribution was even more obscure than Wallace's, as it was in a short appendix to a textbook on naval architecture! Which Darwin admitted he had never read. The creation.com article doesn't mention James Hutton, the other person who could justifiably be said to have thought of evolution by natural selection, so I doubt the author actually put much effort into writing it. Perhaps the most bizarre thing is that whoever wrote the article seems to think that if the basic idea of evolution by natural selection was thought up 3 or 4 times independently - not unlike special relativity - that invalidates Darwin's work. Surely the exact opposite!! Well, I've summarised all you need to know about this article so you don't need to waste your time reading it yourself. Cardinal Fang (talk) 11:29, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Terry's pal, Paul Eidelberg, writes about "research in South America" showing that Darwin nicked his ideas from a Jewish person in Peru. In fact, he's written essentially the same wacky article for several ultra-conservative on-line magazines/blogs. But I can't find anything else on the net about this "Jew from Peru" story. Does anyone here know what on earth Eidelberg is on about? I'm interested in the history of genetics and evolution and another forerunner of Darwin in addition to Hutton, Matthew and Wallace is of genuine interest. If he actually existed... Cardinal Fang (talk) 23:37, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Hey Jpatt

If most republicans are really demsimg then surely it is time to face facts and admit that you are outnumbered by the liberulzzzz and that your politics and hatred are outdated and you have lost? Oldusgitus (talk) 19:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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