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[edit] No Feren' Names Need Apply

The Portuguese form of "John"img doesn't conform to CP's weird and inconsistent username policy. This guy is probably a parodist but, even so, "please come back when you have an American name" is a bit much. 03:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] I see kens off his meds again

Ken, get some help bud. Oldusgitus (talk) 15:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Or some company, he seems like a very lonely man. He always takes negative aspects of himself and projects them onto atheism, no friends, homophobia, misogyny, Islamophobia, perverse sexual practices(no proof but many indicators). Is it certain that he is not a parodist?--Mercian (talk) 16:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Oh dear goat, kens latestimg magnum opus. Oldusgitus (talk) 21:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm still awed by the observation that, based on filling out a form, the largest group of atheists are those with an IQ of "65-72." Dozens of articles have flowed from that analysis, never once pondering the accuracy of surveys on religion and philosophy administered to the retarded. Some things can't be parodied. Whoover (talk) 23:27, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Here's the (latest) link to Ken's Magnum Opusimg, cited by the Old Git. (Ken keeps changing the name of the page, presumably to hide it from all those dumb, computer-illiterate atheists.) Cardinal Fang (talk) 09:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
And another thing, does anyone know who Vox Day is, who Ken regards as the world-leading authority on atheist stupidity? Cardinal Fang (talk) 09:20, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
He's a shouty apologist called Theodore Beale. He's really not worth paying much attention to, his much vaunted 'debates' generally consist of him shouting down anyone who disgarees with him or tries to actually, you know, debate and then if they continue to show him up as a moron he simply bans them from his chat rooms and blog. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
He is also a racist twat, I am not going to bother dig it out but I recall one online discussion where he was criticising women having the vote which quickly devolved to that he does not think black people should be allowed to vote. If anyone were allowed to reply on CP this would be pointed out to Ken, which he fully knows anyway. So Ken, your hero is a misogynistic racist wanker, what do you have to say about that? He is fully accepted as a conservative hero at CP, Schlafly is after all an anti woman, pro BNP, pro apartheid excuse for a human.--Mercian (talk) 11:26, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
I've just looked at the RW page on Vox Day then sullied my eyeballs by looking at his blog. Nice guy </sarcasm>. Among the totally predictable trash/ shit/ merde on his blog, there's a surprising link to a 28-minute interview of John Julius Norwich [*] about the history of East-West conflict. (1) How the hell did this little turd secure an interview with JJN? (What lies did he tell JJN to get it?) (2) Has anyone here listened to this interview and if so, does it rise above the level of a total waste of time? [*] Very eminent British historian and art historian specialising in Byzantium. Must be way past normal retirement age by now. Cardinal Fang (talk) 13:37, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
This article on his blog (re-direct from RW page)[1] is revolting, and If ken continues to use him as a source, that, in my mind, makes him just a revolting. Atheism and women,[2] Irreligion and_domestic violence[3], I wonder how he can compose these articles with any sense of morality at all. I have never heard of one atheist say that throwing acid in a girl's face is a good thing. There is no ambiguity here, Ken knows exactly the views of Mr Day and he and by extension Conservapedia agree with him.--Mercian (talk) 14:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Mercian, thank-you </sarcasm> for posting the link to that post by VD. It's possibly the most distasteful thing I've ever read. Good grief, it makes Schlafly look intelligent and Karajou look sensitive. And I see what the Old Git means by his idea of debating being to shout down people he doesn't agree with. Stay clear of him. Cardinal Fang (talk) 15:06, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Beale (I'm sorry, I'm not going to call a guy 'Voice of God') is also the only person ever to get thrown out of the SFWA in, due to his behavior and letter-writing to one of their officers. Time abrades memory, but if I recall correctly his problem with her was entirely down to gender and his Issues with women. --Maxus (talk) 19:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Mercian, just think of him as V.D. Cardinal Fang (talk) 20:36, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Very little danger in Ken getting V.D as you generally need to have sexual intercourse to contract it. I am looking forward to "Atheism and Venereal Disease" though. I also see that to have a ban lifted you need to write a novella of at least 24,000 words on atheism[4]. Standards are getting higher for the privilege of posting on Conservapedia. I wonder if posting articles on how great Nick Griffin or Pik Botha are would count?--Mercian (talk) 10:52, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

To give Andy a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of credit, he claims not be racist and sometimes even behaves as such. It would be more convincing if he were tougher on the people who misuse his blog/encyclopedia. I'd like to think he'd revert an article which wrote favourably about Nick Griffin. </being nice to Andy>. Cardinal Fang (talk) 22:15, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Mercian, he's way ahead of you!!!!! I couldn't be bothered to read it carefully enough to understand the connection between atheism, STDs, bestiality, Darwin and Sweden. Cardinal Fang (talk) 22:20, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Cardinal, Andy has before expressed admiration for the BNP, though I admit not Griffin specifically, his only real criticism of them was that they were pro NHS. His reaction when Mandela died was how South Africa had got worse since the fall of Apartheid and how much better it was under white rule. As for the Atheism and VD thing, OMFG, an attempt at being facetious by me, I would never have thought he would have actually written an article on it. What am I saying? It is typical ken modus operandi.--Mercian (talk) 23:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Cardinal, look up "affirmative-action president" on CP and then come back and tell me Andy isn't racist. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 23:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Lol, I do believe Lewis Hamilton was an "affirmative-action racing driver" at one point but to be fair this has been removed.--Mercian (talk) 23:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
That was prolly parody. Af-Ac Pres went from god's lips to Andy's keyboard. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 23:30, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Supporters of affirmative action presidents hold them to different standards (also see double standard) compared to no affirmative action presidents. For example, Barack Obama has presided over a doubling of the gas price and is the first President since Herbert Hoover to have net lost jobs. Another hallmark of the Trusworthy Encyclopedia is the misleading freeze-frame. Another editor got reverted and banned a few days ago (for "vandalism") when he replaced a 2007 Gallup poll on public acceptance of homosexuality with the 2014 version showing a complete inversion. Everyone knows about this trend except the keepers of the faith at CP. They honestly think that currency is the enemy of fairness. Their treatment of facts pisses me off way more than their revolting opinions.Whoover (talk) 00:08, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
AgingHippie, I take your point but I wonder how much of the utter crap about "affirmative action president" is sour grapes from the time they were both editors of some student law magazine at Harvard. I don't want to overstate it but Andy's claim that he isn't racist (even if it's sometimes, "I'm not racist but...") is one of his few creditable points, e.g. Judge Clarence Thomas is one of his heroes. There are plenty of white people below the Mason-Dixon line who are much more overtly hostile to black people. Cardinal Fang (talk) 10:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I agree to a degree with Cardinal. He is not so much a racist as an extremely petty man who idolises people who conform to any part of his agenda. He loves Putin because of his homophobic stance, ignoring the fact that he seems to want to plunge the world into Cold War II. He hated Mandela because of his links to communism and supported the BNP because they are the only UK political party who are anti gun control. His stance on Germany sums it up for me. During the 2010 World Cup he hated them, saying they needed players from conservative Poland(a country that fears Putin and Russia) and needed these conservative players to do as well as they did, but as Germany was liberal as a whole they ultimately failed. 4 years down the line, with Germany one of the few (western or old) EU countries not to legalise gay marriage, he loved them, even nominating Germany as "Conservative of the year 2014." Less of a racist and more of a narrow minded bigot.--Mercian (talk) 13:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm not buying it. His support of Thomas strikes me as in the realm of "some of my best friends..." And I'm sure he would be totally comfortable going to dinner at the house of an African-American family from a class background similar to his. But: There are lots of ways to get back at Obama without dragging this "affirmative action" nonsense into it, but he chose to make it racial. And as I recall, he made comments post-Mandela's death that said way more than "dude used to be a commie." Also, the idea that one must be "overtly hostile" in order to be a racist overlooks the way racism actually works. Do I think he drops N-bombs and rides around setting crosses on fire? No. But I think that at best he is a walking example of the "color-blind racism" that is a key part of racial dynamics in America. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 14:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Andy's post-Mandela talk was less overt racism, and more his black and white (excuse the pun) view of the world being split between liberals and conservatives - SA is a mess, because liberals demanded an end to apartheid. Because Saint Ronnie would never do that. WIGO link. PsyGremlinPraat! 14:46, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Jesus, Psy, read that again. The end of apartheid was "demanded largely by outsiders"?!?!? !. I know you know that's bullshit, 'cuz you were fucking there, and 2. to me, that reads like the guy who says the salves were perfectly happy picking cotton on the plantation, and the world was happy and everyone knew their place. And if that ain't knocking on the door of justifying racism, I don't know what is.... Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:21, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Gay lobby & Mormons

That editimg is such a wonderful example of how Andy - a supposed constitutional lawyer - can't rasp the concept of separation of church and state. The passing, or striking down of laws, has absolutely nothing to do with the religious beliefs of the Mormon Church - which I suspect is as wildly homophobic as and other fundamentalist sect. Andy is as dumb as the Alabama Chief Justice. PsyGremlinPraat! 10:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Is anyone else finding

The new usersimg fixation on child sexuality, child sexual development, puberty and paedophilia slightly disturbing? Creepy uncle Ed would have trouble with this one. And noone over at cp seems to have even noticed, or they simply do not care. Oldusgitus (talk) 20:24, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Old user, old obsession. Whoover (talk) 01:38, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Hadn't looked that far back. The user did seem to go quiet for almost 3 years but is now back and helping to improve the family friendly encyclopedia. Oldusgitus (talk) 08:59, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
We've just had a NAMBLA-ist on here so might be the same person(?).
This berk(e) seems much more into little girls. Whoover (talk) 02:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] CNAV borked again?

Just me or everyone? Oldusgitus (talk) 11:53, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Just you it seems. And the top article is a real homophobic doozy. Even by CNAV's standards. PsyGremlinPraat! 12:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Conservatism in a nutshell

I particularly enjoyed this edit by Andy. The sidebar is conservatism in a nutshell. Welcome to CP, would you like to learn about gays, abortion or atheism? Occasionaluse (talk) 13:26, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Classic Andy

I doubt he reads the articles he links. The headline is Liberal ideology continues to destroy colleges, and speculation grows that "closures are about to become the norm in higher education." "Half of small private colleges and regional public colleges have either missed their enrollment or revenue goals in recent years." The article links to a spreadsheet that lists colleges with suspicious financial scores. The top 20 imperiled institutions of liberal mind control:

  • Alaska Bible College
  • Alaska Career College
  • Alaska Christian College
  • Alaska Pacific University
  • Charter College
  • Alabama State College of Barber Styling
  • Amridge University
  • Birmingham-Southern College
  • Blue Cliff Career College
  • Cardiac and Vascular Institute of Ultrasound
  • Columbia Southern University
  • Concordia College Alabama
  • Faulkner University
  • Hair Academy (The)
  • Heritage Christian University
  • Huntingdon College
  • Huntsville Bible College
  • Institute of Ultrasound Diagnostics (The)

Whoover (talk) 23:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

I think it's a well known fact that Andy only reads the headline, and if it fits his worldview, he'll publish it, regardless of content. Then again, most of his target market (if such a thing even exists anymore) also only read the headlines, and ignore actual content. PsyGremlinPraat! 09:58, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Of course they're all liberal. Look at all of those "Christian" and "Bible" colleges -- not a one of them have adopted the Conservative Bible Project! MDB (the MD used to be for Maryland, but now means Magically Deliciousthe B is still for Bear) 11:40, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
I must be slow but it has just clicked what the CBP is. It is Andy creating God and Jesus in his own image rather than the other way around.--Mercian (talk) 23:52, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] First there was TAR...

...now we have this particular mono-maniac who is somehow slightly more disturbing. Acei9 06:58, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid this person may also be editing RW. Hans Eysenck survived a deletion discussion, and the person who created it is interested in the same topics - age of consent, etc. See Special:Contributions/PBustion87. A genuine monomaniac or one of those "let's see how those two sites react to the same stuff" trolls?--ZooGuard (talk) 11:06, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Glances up the page very slightly. And I do think he's slightly wierdly fixated on sex, especially with younger people. Oldusgitus (talk) 11:29, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
And Banished by the probable parodist, VargasMilan. linkimg

[edit] Bloody Hell

Terry createsimg an article. That's the first edit I can remember him doing at CP other than to MPR in 5 years. Oldusgitus (talk) 15:47, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

What the fuck does white privilege have to do with abortion?--Tanis (talk) 16:37, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Oh come on. You should know by now. Liberulzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Oldusgitus (talk) 18:51, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
His water on Europa and Ganymede is proof of the great flood, WTF.[5] I have no expertise in physics but if such jets of water plasma were hurled 1/2 billion miles through space surely Jupiter's gravity would attract all that water. And would the amount of energy needed to hurl millions of tons of matter that distance push the earth out of orbit, according to Newton's laws?--Mercian (talk) 23:54, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
... it's just so dumb it hurts Ruddager (talk) 03:59, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Even better, Terry implies (in a comment) that all water in the universe came from the supply God created for us. Those Noah's Flood Comets could escape the solar system and account for any water found in other galaxies. But he admits he not as certain about that as he is that all water in our solar system was ejaculated on that fine spring day in 2348 BC. Whoover (talk) 08:57, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
BTW, does anybody know whether their thesis is that the water found on these other bodies (and presumably formerly on Mars) was aimed in their directions, or is just the water that happened upon them from a uniform spherical distribution? If it's the former, why couldn't God just make water where he wanted it? And if it's the latter, wouldn't that involve really a lot of water? Whoover (talk) 09:06, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
If you really want to know and you have sufficient brain cells to accept the number that will inevitably die from reading this crap then this is a place to start. But I warn you, the stupid burns very hot on there. Oldusgitus (talk) 12:00, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
It's this strange mix of magic and science that you often see with Creationists. They'll try to explain these phenomena with science that fits with their historical narrative. But anything that's too improbable (i.e. all of it) can simply be magicked into reality. Millions of tones of water affecting earth's orbit? He's God, duh. Ajkgordon (talk) 09:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
I challenged Terry once about why he needs to try and insert "naturalistic" explanations in between the supernatural stuff; why not just go for God did it all and be done with it. His answer: economy of miracles. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science. Moderator 22:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
There are about 150,000,000 square arcminutes in the sky. Let's say Jupiter commands about one. Ganymede has more water than the earth. It got its water from the great ejaculation via "splash" (Terry's term in a comment). Let's say 1% of the water that sprayed the Jupiter system splashed on Ganymede. That means the hydroplate event blew 15 billion times as much water into space as the earth now contains. The earth contains about 350 million cubic miles of water. Let's say roughly 5 quintillion cubic miles of water were ejected. That's greater than the volume of the sun. Works for me. Whoover (talk) 17:23, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Walt Brown and TH have an intuitive (i.e. totally wrong) idea of how objects behave in space. In Brown's cosmology, the Earth sprays all this stuff out in more-or-less a flat disk, like the sparks from a Catherine wheel. The flying debris clumps itself together under mutual gravity, with big swarms of rock, ice, and vapor forming discrete clouds many times the size of Earth, but diffuse. The huge surface area of these 'clouds', which are spinning and gravitationally bound, allows them to act like solar sails and get pushed outward. Also, the warm sunward side of the clouds lose more gas molecules to space than the cool outward sides, and the spinning of the clouds means that this loss is vectored somewhat so that the clouds get a net velocity boost as well, meaning that they can climb to higher orbits - even out to beyond Neptune. These giant clouds pulled themselves together right sharpish to form all the asteroids and comets, some of the moons of the gas giant planets, Pluto and the other transneptunian objects, and stuff to be named later. On the other hand, they dismiss the nebula hypothesis of planetary formation as nonsense. In other words, their spaceships bank into swooping turns as the rudders bite into the æther, and everything looks like it was rotoscoped from WWII gun camera footage. George Clooney lets go of his tether so his weight won't pull Sandra Bullock off her perch. Barbicane, Nicholl, and Ardan experience normal Earth gravity on their trip to the Moon until they reach the 'neutral point' where Moon gravity takes over. That sort of thing. Seriously, they argue that you don't feel gravity from a planet until the planet is closer to the Sun than you, and even then the only pull is in the direction of the barycenter of the solar system. They're people of the land; the common clay of the New West. You know... Morons.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 20:08, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Just wow! So God works through bad science fiction. Solar winds are the dilithium crystals. Once the ocean express reaches the right orbital distance, it just waits to be swept up by Jupiter and splash where needed. In a few thousand years. So no aim required. But an eyespot could never evolve. Whoover (talk) 20:36, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Glenn Beck quits the Republican Party.

Because of their inaction in standing against Obamacare and immigration. Because he is a RINO.[6]--Mercian (talk) 17:39, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Back again!

TAR has returned again! Let the chaos ensue! AyzmoCheers 20:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Most Liberal American Cities is pretty good. It's (by TAR's admission) largely a list of blighted inner cities that are mainly black after white flight. There's no sense of how they're ranked. Detroit is America's most liberal city. Inglewood, CA (something like 50% black) is number 6. He added Hollywood at 28 and LA at 29 in a late edit, realizing that you've got to have Hollywood and LA. He seems to be pulling the cities and their ranks out of his ass. Page through the history to see what I mean. Whoover (talk) 23:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
You keep doing you, TAR. Shakedangle (talk) 15:02, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
You know, I haven't been hear all that long, a couple months, so I haven't been following and documenting every last instance of stupidity there, but I simply cannot believe that someone who writes something like this "Vote with your feet (strategic relocation) from an Unfree state to a Free state to escape the leftist Welfare state - Nanny state - progressive Police state" isn't a parodist. Alsto003 (talk) 12:58, 30 March 2015 (UTC) Alex

[edit] Anyone fancy trolling Andy

With this. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:37, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Considering a black man to play James Bond is racist.

[7]How the f**k does this man's mind work?--Mercian (talk) 17:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't work. It sees something and decides 'librulzzzzzzzzz' therefore tries to find an angle to attack it. And everybody knows that no blacks ever became members or employees of Her Majesties Security Services. Oldusgitus (talk) 18:12, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Sounds like the old "any affirmative action in support of blacks = anti-white racism" shtick. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 19:37, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
It's not even that. To Andy, racism is what people of other races and ideologies do. Because it's bad. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 19:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Affirmative action? Weren't they the shitheads, who claimed, that Obama was voted because of "affirmative action" or some such hokum?--Arisboch (talk) 19:42, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
There should still be an article titled "Affirmative action president" on CP. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:44, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
"Third, James Bond is more historical than fictional." BWHAHAHAHAHAHA! --Night Jaguar (talk) 21:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
^ Okay, haven't read the books, but we're talking about the movies here. Maybe the character was inspired by real events, but clearly the films haven't been constrained by historical realism (or even believability, for that matter). If you're okay with Bond killing a black dude by turning him into a balloon that pops, but not with Bond himself being black, well, I think I see your real problem. --Night Jaguar (talk) 22:11, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I look forward to seeing Karajou whining that it's racist for Jesus to be portrayed with pale skin and blond hair - and he really was a historical person (probably). Cardinal Fang (talk) 22:31, 30 March 2015 UTC)

You can't just make him black! What about continuity? James Bond is an English Scottish Irish Australian famous secret agent who is currently younger than his own career. But he's definitely not black. I believe Felix or whatever he's called, the occasional CIA character, might have changed colour at some point, but that's completely different. Fonzie (talk) 22:42, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
M also changed genders in the Bond movies, but hey. PacWalker 22:45, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Struck per London Grump below. PacWalker 00:48, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
This isn't the first time the casting of Idris Elba has caused an uproar (though the Bond thing seems speculative at this point). White supremacists boycotted Thor because Elba played the Norse god Heimdall. Just something to keep in mind. --Night Jaguar (talk) 00:02, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
M is a title, not a person. Like C in the real MI6. London Grump (talk) 00:19, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
For moar Lulz you can concede defeat to him and say that Jesus was indeed blonde— by linking to this Wikipedia article[wp]. Alsto003 (talk) 00:14, 31 March 2015 (UTC) Alex
Or use a redirect service and slide him over to ours. Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 00:32, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Idris Elba is no more James Bond than Michael Caine is. Bond went to Eton and Fettes. He is cut from the same cloth as Ian Fleming and Ewan Montagu's special ops section, the section that looked down on the sublimely well connected Dennis Wheatley as "trade". Then again, there's even more denial about class than there is about race. London Grump (talk) 20:56, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

in that case idris is no less James bond than Sean Connery. AMassiveGay (talk) 22:07, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I personally found it annoying that absolutely none of the actors who have played Felix Leiter even remotely resemble Fleming's description, although I give them a pass on the one-arm part. Although I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't want to see a black James Bond out of racism, it's certainly a reasonable point of view that films should be as faithful to the character's description as possible; conflating the two isn't helpful, although I noticed that the link above doesn't provide any examples of that actually occurring. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:12, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
When I first read Dune, for no particular reason, I pictured Duncan Idaho as a Black guy, and that's stuck with me for more than 30 years. So both the 1980s movie and the 1990s mini-series let me down a bit because my favorite character didn't look right. That said, the movies are not the books, and I see zero reason why a film-maker has any obligation to faithfully reprroduce every, or any, aspect of a book that she is turning into a film. It's her project, her interpretation, her vision. If you want things to be "just like the book," there's a book for you to read. There are many, mny reasons I'd love to see Elba as Bond. Some of them have to do with the politics of race and representation. Some have to do with the fact he's a great actor. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 00:43, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Isn't it a well-known belief amongst the fans that there's a dozen different people who get their names changed to "James Bond" when the previous 007 retires? The movies ignored that theory a lot, though, preferring a floating timeline where everyone but Bond can change sex whenever. You'd expect someone to consider "oh, they've confirmed my 30-year suspicions" long before declaring it racism.-- Forerunner (talk) 01:32, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't want to overstate my previous comment on Leiter, as long as the film is done well such things ultimately very minor and easily forgotten while actually watching it. Just in the Bond series I've seen it work both ways; From Russia With Love and Live and Let Die are two of my favorites, with the former being much closer to the book than the latter. As to the specific matter at hand, I think Craig is doing just fine and that it's not worth fixing that which isn't broken. I'll worry about the next Bond when he decides he's finished. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:35, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
This is almost a case of 'not even wrong' given how little the films relate to the books already. Like AgingHippie, I would welcome Elba as an interesting choice for Bond, he's a damn good actor and could well take the character in interesting directions. And id you want to complain about casting choices varying from the books, then you need look no further than Roger Fucking Moore. But let's not turn this into a 'favourite Bond' discussion. Overall, there's no reason why Bond can't be played by a black actor. It's fiction. Worm (talk) 08:44, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone actually care about the Bond films anymore? The Daniel Craig "gritty reboot" thing has been so tacky, I couldn't bring myself to be up in arms even if they decided that Bond was going to be a pacifist Scientologist. Seems like James Bond is now a freelance murderer for hire who wanders around the world battling America's bad guy du jour. How the hell do you do a gritty reboot and still don't mention the (cold) war? They should just make him a CIA operative and have done with it, then he could battle terrists and North Koreans to his heart's content and we wouldn't be having these silly controversies. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 08:54, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
I've never been a Bond fan, never read a Bond novel and have seen only a rare Bond movie, so consider me a total know-nothing. That said, what's so wrong about Roger Moore as Bond? Thanks. Phiwum (talk) 14:22, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
@jeeves: bond has always been considered a murderer in some quarters, just a government one rather than freelance. @phiwum some found Moore was too tongue in cheek when compared to the totally realistic films before. He's certainly no worse than Dalton or brosnon whose films where absolute arse water. AMassiveGay (talk) 17:14, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
No doubt he's a murderer. I can't remember now which film it is where someone taunts him about all the vodka martinis to dull the memories of all the men he's killed and all the women he couldn't protect. One of those moments where the Bond oeuvre becomes more intense than adventure punctuated by silly gadgets and bad puns. Also, the only thing wrong with Moore's tenure is it went on too long. He should have quit after Golden Gun, or perhaps The Spy Who Loved Me. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:09, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Anyone looking for character consistency within the Bond films should have stopped looking a long time ago. Idris Elba's Bond won't be "the same" as Daniel Craig's or Roger Moore's or Sean Connery's or any of the others but then they've never been the same as each other anyway. & The principle that James Bond is this one guy who's been doing the same job for the past sixty-odd years doesn't make any real sense. Suspend your disbelief & just go with it: that's what we do with fiction. WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 20:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Another Atheist Mass Murderer

Andreas Lubitz was driven to murder 150 by his atheism. Of course we don't know that he's an atheist because the librul media is hiding it. Of course he might be a Muslim but the librul media is hiding that too. But atheist terrorists are worse because they kill to glorify their God -- wait, what? They're driven to kill by their no God? I love Andy's rabbit holes. Whoover (talk) 00:57, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

He could turn out to be a Christian. There is no suggestion I can find of him being an atheist apart from when AugustO scorned any attempt to pin it on atheists and Ken posting that though he had to direct proof, the fact that he was suicidal, European etc strongly suggests he is. See Atheism and what ever shite he comes up with.--Mercian (talk) 01:17, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Fundamentalists are dependent on the No True Scotsman analogy. To become a Christian is to follow the laws (specifically the ones the arguer uses; if they happen to break laws, those laws don't matter). Thus, to murder is to reject the law and so a murderer can not be a Christian - just an atheist pretending to be one as part of a conspiracy. Shooting blacks and Muslims is apparently still fine, though.-- Forerunner (talk) 01:20, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
We treat Ken as an outlier, but Andy's posts are just as loony. Water rationing is liberal. (I guess the conservative thing would be to water the lawn and trust that God will provide). Andy's no less extreme on atheism, just lazier. Whoover (talk) 04:13, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Andy seems to be extreme in all matters. Atheism, Islam, the environment, welfare, gun control, The Bible, women's rights, minority rights, children's rights, the economy, abortion, computer games, education, intellectualism, science. I could go on but I have never seen him express a view that is not ultra conservative.--Mercian (talk) 04:56, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
The irony being that over at Flingbutt's hate blog, the pilot did it because he was totally a Muslim convert. PsyGremlinPraat! 09:38, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
And a new user politely points out andy's bullshitimg. Wonder how long this user will last? Oldusgitus (talk) 17:44, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
There's no indication that this was any sort of terrorism, let alone atheistic terrorism. There's no evidence this was done to instill fear. Investigators have found no political or religious motivations and the consensus seems to be the guy was suffering from mental health issues. As usual, Andy is just talking out of his ass. --Night Jaguar (talk) 22:01, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Ken and a parodist agree: God doesn't let Christians do bad things, so terrorists and murderers are atheists by definition. Some of them are even tricky regular church-going atheists. Whoover (talk) 22:41, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Message for Mr Conservative

Ken, I know you read this page so please don't pretend you don't. You wrote on Main Page Talk, "I will let GhazS and AugustO determine if the characteristics of ... depressed/suicidal best fit Bible believers or atheists/irreligious individuals." My uncle was a Bible-believing Christian - a pentecostal pastor, in fact - who suffered from severe depression. How dare you try to use people's religious beliefs or lack of them to make value-judgements about their mental health. I wish you Happy Easter and I hope you spend the day reflecting on what genuine Christians believe is the good news of Jesus's resurrection, instead of writing malicious comments about other people. You twerp. Cardinal Fang (talk) 00:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

He answers.[8][9] Burned very quickly.--Mercian (talk) 02:20, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Ken DeMyer and stupidity

His Lubitz-related comments are so full of logical fallacies that I don't even know where to begin. It goes like this: Lubitz was German and he was suicidal. Only 45% of Germans believe in God, and Christians apparently cannot be suicidal. Therefore he was merely pretending to be Lutheran and was secretly an atheist (who also killed all these people because he was an atheist, not because he was mentally ill). Sigh. --Da Observer (talk) 11:37, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

And this surprises you for what reason exactly? 15:29, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
He spends one of the most holy days of the Christian calender praying, dedicating his life to god and enjoying the company of friends and family. Oh wait.[10]--Mercian (talk) 19:45, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
There's no "one of the most", I don't think there are any denominations that celebrate holy days where Easter isn't, officially speaking, the biggest one. It's kinda hard to get past the day that's behind the core creed of the religion. Christmas is only on the table because consumerism is a bigger religion to us Americans than Christianity. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 19:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Andy Schlafly and white pride

Andy Schlafly doesn't see race, until he doesimg. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 00:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm curious what he'd say about the rioting that happened in Kentucky. AyzmoCheers 13:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Now he's saying that the NCAA made it a 'white vs. black' final? What should the lamestream media have said about Wisconsin beating Kentucky, anyway? Christ, Andy is incoherent.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 16:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Because the selection committee totally knows what'll happen in advance? Just kidding, NOBODY does. PacWalker 16:21, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, you say 'just kidding', but I'd bet that Andy thinks that the NCAA picks the final four teams or controls who is on what team or something. Or maybe he thinks that the NCAA shouldn't let there be teams where the players are all of one race? Maybe he wants a Title IX for white student athletes?--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 19:33, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
That entire thread confuses me. Con jumped in and made a whole bunch of ridiculous statements that I'm not even sure how to interpret. Does he actually think people go through that twisted logic? I'm at a loss. AyzmoCheers 22:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
What's confusing? Pretty much everything that passes for argument there consists of making up things. A favored category is making up things that liberals "think." In this case it's that a team that has too many or too few blacks is evidence of discrimination. Once you make that up, everything else follows naturally. Whoover (talk) 00:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
It's kind of like all the varieties of BS you can show once you "prove" that 1 = 2. PacWalker 00:55, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
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