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[edit] LogicMaster socking as FedTruther to deceive, evade ban

The below is a quotation from FedTruther's talk page. It was placed there after I noticed he had edited Talk:Federal Reserve as an IP by mistake and poked my nose into that IP's contributions. Based on the evidence quoted, I believe that FedTruther (and associated BoN) are one and the same with LogicMaster777, and that the account FedTruther has been used to circumvent LogicMaster's recent block, as well as taking part in LM's coop case as though a separate user.


[1] You, messing up and identifying your IP address (did the captcha not give it away?)
[2] (et seq.) You, as a BoN, repeatedly reinserting material on behalf of LogicMaster
[3] You showing up to a boring dispute over coins and the law which otherwise did not involve you in order to support LM
[4] (et seq.) LM showing up to the coop to complain of Miekal, making nonsensical legal threats
[5] LM being blocked for making said threats
[6] (et seq.)You, showing up very shortly thereafter to also complain of Miekal
[7] You, showing up to vote in support of LM, despite being ineligible, and spitting out some unrelated arguments of his while there. Aside from this and your filing immediately following LM's ban, you have never shown even remote interest in coop-related goings-on.

Stylistic arguments up next if desired. PacWalker

[8] LM ranting about statist censorship.   [9] You, doing the same in remarkably similar terms, made more remarkable by the rarity of those terms in other discourse. Note also Wombat's observation of the peculiar similarity.
[10] LM denying Paul's connections when unsavory   [11] You doing the exact same; again in similar terms

Also, how many other RWians use the word statist on anything approaching a regular basis? Answer: not even Smerdis. PacWalker

[12] Forgot this gem, your first contribution as BoN outside bush league edit warring on Godlike Productions, in which you gripe about LM's very muc misplaced rant being deleted. PacWalker


(timestamps removed) PacWalker 08:48, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

This is completely idiotic.
[1]: Ok. (I am always presented with a captcha because I am binned)
[2,3,7,12]: So what, I support LogicMaster's logic?
[6]: Coincidence. Miekal used his sysop abilities to remove things, at a similar time, that we thought shouldn't be removed.
[8,9]: The Federal Reserve strongly relates to statism. Is using this word 2-3 times a "regular basis"?
[10,11]: Coincidence (and a very weak connection). What I wanted removed contained misleading information about Ron Paul followers' beliefs of the Federal Reserve. This is because my purpose here is to provide correct information about Federal Reserve Trutherism.
And, again: LogicMaster writes a lot more than me, and generally in a very different writing style.--FedTruther (talk) 08:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
LogicMaster isn't banned. ŴêâŝêîôîďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 09:12, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Correct. He was recently, however, and FedTruther was active during that time, including voting against that ban. PacWalker 09:15, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
If all these things are true coincidences, they are a remarkably unlikely series of coincidences. The simpler, more believable explanation is the one I have presented, which is why I brought this here. PacWalker 10:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
To be honest, I think LM's and FT's styles are distinct enough to make them being 2 people seem most plausible. It's quite possible that they know each other though, and LM pointed FT to the site. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 11:34, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm not very convinced by stylistic arguments (unless it's something like highly unusual spelling mistakes or really arcane lingo), but it's kind of interesting that FedTruther didn't respond when I suggested that (s)he hook up with LM. Whether it suggests that they know each other and adhere to similar "anti-statist" crankery (quite possible), suck puppeteering sock puppeteering, or simply that FedTruther doesn't deign to reply to that kind of snark, I don't know. My immediate thought was that LM had drafted a fellow crank to team up with him on RW, while my second one was sock puppeteering. Not that I think it matters hugely either way. ScepticWombat (talk) 12:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
If FT is the same person as LM, then LM is guilty of sockpuppeteering. If he isn't, he's guilty of meat puppetering. Gotta love 'em Morton's Forks. |₹Λ¥$€₦₦ Red rose 02.svg Nani wo surunda? Yuruzan! 13:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Since when has RW policy prescribed penalties for sockpuppeteering, let alone tedious fuckwittery? IMO this is not coop fodder. Alec Sanderson (talk) 14:17, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Ban evasion is, though. FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ﹐ Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 14:28, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Meh. He was blocked for being an annoying crank and some edit-warring. If he had been blocked for something serious (legal threats, doxxing, threats of violence, hate speech) I could see the need for an investigation and a case. This ain't worth it. Shut it down. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 14:49, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah sure, I'll buy that. Anyone opposed to archiving? FuzzyDogPotato (talk/stalk) 14:58, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Please do archive, though I'd just point out that while LM wasn't blocked for an out and out legal threat, he was blocked twice for (barely) veiled pseudolegal threats. ScepticWombat (talk) 15:04, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Then he probably should have been pseudoblocked for them? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 15:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
[EC]That falls under the rubric of tedious fuckwittery, risible and not a real risk to the wiki's continued existence. To RW's credit, there isn't a "Sanderson's gut feel" clause, or else LM would be bloxxord til the expiration of every Sea Org contract. Thankful for small blessings, I am. Alec Sanderson (talk) 15:18, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
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