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[edit] Slow

Like wading thru' treacle! Scream!! (talk) 17:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Working OK for me ... - David Gerard (talk) 18:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

[edit] "Dox in a box"

I made this account a few days ago and didn't really do anything with it. Today I tried to add my entry to the How I found RationalWiki page and my edit was immediately flagged as "harmful" for "dox in a box". The content of my edit was

  • Someone said "deepity" on reddit. Google landed me here. I have since been addicted like crack.

If I can post that here, but not on the other page, what's going on?

I have fixed it. Go ahead and try again. -RNS 65.128.164.147 (talk) 06:54, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Citation template problem

I copied a reference from Wikipedia which uses Template:Cite journal. If you look at the reference, it gives a citation error (linking to Template:Citation error; maybe we should copy that over?). Looking at the list of used templates in the edit window, it looks to me like the cause might be that Template:Cite journal wants Template:Str left, which we don't have. But I'm not completely sure since I'm not a template expert, so I thought I'd have someone else look at it. Also I don't know the procedure for copying over templates from Wikipedia; do we use Special:Import? --Ymir (talk) 18:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

If you want to copy a template over, just copy the wikitext over to an equivalently-named template here. Note that we do not have Lua here yet, so any more recent WP templates that have been converted to Lua won't work on RW - David Gerard (talk) 18:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Safari 6.1.6 & Recent Changes

Safari 6.1.6 is not working with Recent Changes - it hangs the entire site. Everything else works on RW for me - editing, etc. - but when I click on Recent Changes, the browser blanks and never refreshes. If I close the window and try to navigate back to just rationalwiki.org, that is blank too. Moving to a non-rw webpage makes Safari work again, and then I can return to rw. This problem with Recent Changes does not happen in Chrome on the same computer. Hmmm? DogP (talk) 18:24, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

This briefly happened to me desktop and iOS with certain combinations of OS and Safari. From Apple, as a first try:
  • From your Safari menu bar click Safari > Preferences then select the Privacy tab.
  • Click:   Remove All Website Data
  • Then delete the cache.
  • Open a Finder window. From the Finder menu bar click Go > Go to Folder
  • Type or copy paste the following
  • ~/Library/Caches/com.apple.Safari/Cache.db
  • Click Go then move the Cache.db file to the Trash.
  • Quit and relaunch Safari to test.
  • In network preferences,meet your DNS servers to a free open server if they're pointing to your ISP's or vice versa.

If that doesn't work, post a screenshot of the network panel from the developer console and see if any part of the DOM is loading and whether you can download CSS and .js files. David, did you guys turn on file compression when traffic was intermittently overwhelming last year? When I was trying to figure this out, it looked like Safari was unable to unzip some files getting served up by the new load balancer system. Nutty Roux (talk) 19:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

The real answer is probably MediaWiki 1.23. I need to get onto rationalbeta again ... - David Gerard (talk) 22:37, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I think it's Apache. There's some discussion of similar problems on stackoverflow mentioning Apache chunk encoding and browsers having trouble with zero file sizes. Is compression enabled on one load balancer but not the other? Does one load balancer handle cached stuff and the other dynamically generated pages? Nutty Roux (talk) 23:46, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
That sounds completely weird. SO links welcomed. They should be configured identically, but of course without an actual mechanism slippage happens - David Gerard (talk) 23:56, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Intercom notice about the Board of Trustees nomination

Please. I tried to do it, but the new message page provides only a "preview" button, and it sends me to a blank page.--ZooGuard (talk) 09:05, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

*bump* --ZooGuard (talk) 07:14, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I tried poking it with what I knew, but it seemed to just freeze up each and every time. Looks like it is something that'll require Trent or David to fix. Noisemobile (talk) 07:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I figured it out and left instructions for you on your talkpage. Let me know if you want me to do it instead, or if you have any other issues along the way to sending it out. Noisemobile (talk) 07:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll try posting a notice about the nominations. Apparently I'll also have to write a help page about using the Intercom.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Ugh, apparently I can't post in the "Site wide (urgent)" group, only "General site news" and the other groups, even though I have checked it in "Configure groups" - it just doesn't appear in the drop-down list. I think one needs to have "tech" rights to post in that one.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:40, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
What's urgent about it. It will be open for weeks. IIRC preview hasn't worked for a long time. Not sure if there actually is a rights limitation, but that would make sense since we've had some real dummies posting intercom messages. Anyhow, sorted. Nutty Roux (talk) 15:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
For my and others' future reference, Goonie told me I was wrong and Zooguard was right — apparently general messages don't show up where urgent ones do? Maybe I've got that wrong, but if anyone finds this while fussing with the intercom, just be aware there's some kind of issue to figure out. Nutty Roux (talk) 20:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Link blacklist?

Is there a link blacklist to tack on a website that is consistently used to harass and harangue me because of a stupid misunderstanding that internet persons of a crocodilian variety like to use?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:10, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

You want to blacklist ED?--ZooGuard (talk) 08:32, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
No I want to blacklist a particular archive.today link that has been used to consistently harass me. Or maybe my ED page as well.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 09:04, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
There is a spam/trolling links edit filter that the link can be adeed to. You'll need somebody with Tech rights to do it. 184.97.196.109 (talk) 09:10, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Your famous use of -chan jargon ouside of a -chan board? :D I understand why you may be sick of dealing with that, but blacklisting a specific link is a bit too much. If I were you, I'd make a template explaining the situation and slap it anywhere where that showed up.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:53, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
I've got tech rights. Someone gave them to me to help monitor a recurring troll's autoblock. I think it's safe to say there's never going to be much need for linking to a page about one of our users, and I wouldn't be abusing that trust to add your couple links. Ikanreed (talk) 15:17, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Should we start blocking them for you too? Oh right. How about you just stop talking to them rather than asking for special treatment? They'd stop if you could just shut your mouth for a while — you'd go from "fun highly reactive and emotive target who flails like a child" to "boring". Give it a shot? Nutty Roux (talk) 15:54, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, he could do that, but you know, being purposefully targeted by an established conspiracy is a bit different from your day-to-day trolling by dumb kids. Have you considered what it's like to be told, "People are intentionally targeting you, so stop being such a target by existing"? Ikanreed (talk) 15:59, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Reading. Learn it. Not talking to people targeting you means you don't indulge them the reaction you were giving them. It is what I would call an example of being prudent. Blacklisting two links isn't going to stop them from coming over here to poke Ryulong with a stick. Ryulong would need to continue blocking them to achieve that. It's going to stop them from posting two links when they come here to poke him with a stick. I suggest you all just lock the page to anyone below sysop. Nutty Roux (talk) 16:13, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Also, not tweeting about "fags" would probably be a wise move. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 16:15, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, okay. I fully acknowledge that there's no need for a technical solution to the problem. Ikanreed (talk) 16:24, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Considering it's hosted on some sort of image archive service, and all one would have to do is re-archive the image with a fresh URL, probably right. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
It shouldn't matter what I wrote (still gay you know) but the issue is that I've done all I can to own up to it and a conspiracy brigade has used the same and worse language throughout their existence directed at me and others. No one needs to link to that one thing here ever.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 20:38, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Internal error in ApiResult::setIndexedTagName

http://rationalwiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges&rclimit=25&rctype=log&rcprop=loginfo

doesn't recognize the property "loginfo" - it should work like

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges&rclimit=500&rctype=log&rcprop=loginfo&format=xmlfm

or

http://www.conservapedia.com/api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges&rclimit=25&rctype=log&rcprop=loginfo

Can something be done? --larron (talk) 14:37, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

MediaWiki version difference? AFAIK, RW is not running the same MW version as WP.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
We're still on 1.19 here. (Need to go to 1.23. I need to start having active fun with RationalBeta ...) Did that query work here before? - David Gerard (talk) 21:15, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your replies - it isn't important, just surprising...
--larron (talk) 22:12, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, it does say it should work, doesn't it ... and the relevant code appears to be present. I have no idea what to do to fix this, but you are correct that it is in fact supposed to work - David Gerard (talk) 22:21, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

[edit] A new spam filtering rule may be necessary

See Do you know these treatments for ADHD? and Is it Effective for Quitting Smoking? --ZooGuard (talk) 12:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Both posted by the same account. Why would a filter be needed to deal with it? ωεαşεζόίďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 12:36, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that only after posting the above.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:42, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Intercom request: board elections notice

Someone with Intercom rights needs to post a notice about the election in "sitewide (urgent)". Bicycle Wheel has posted one in "General site news", but that appears only to people who are already in that group.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for figuring out the groups rights issue. Nutty Roux (talk) 14:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Email notification and hidden diffs.

The email notification for changed visibility of a revision on your talk page instead tells you that the page has been created. This was the email notification I received when AgingHippie hid some doxxing comments on my user page.

The RationalWiki page User talk:TiaC has been created on 16 February 2015 by AgingHippie, see http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:TiaC for the current revision.
This is a new page.
Editor's summary: This is starting to look a lot like doxxing to me, digging up 10-year old forum posts

--TiaC (talk) 01:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

[edit] How?

How do you do the [citation needed] thing? Supper's Ready (talk) 20:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

{{fact}}. BicyclewheelModerator 20:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay thank you. Supper's Ready (talk) 20:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use upload form

The "fair use upload form" on MediaWiki:Uploadtext (on the last line) doesn't work correctly. The "Fair use" link on RationalWiki:Upload does. (Both are supposed to do the same.) Also, RW may need some cleanup/maintenance of the file upload pages, as well as a general cleanup of the uploaded files.--ZooGuard (talk) 10:46, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I believe any 'crat can edit Mediawiki: space. (Which appears not to be you, but there should be some around.) - David Gerard (talk) 13:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Actually, I need a RationalWiki:Tech, but those seem to be in short supply.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
This is the first time I've ever seen that form. I will look at it when I get back to a computer tomorrow. Nutty Roux (talk) 14:32, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Abuse filter request: YouTube talkpage spam

Is it possible to set the abuse filter to stop non-autoconfirmed users to post more than three YouTube or Google links on talk pages? It would help with the person who has decided that the best way to combat the Illuminati is spamming RW's talk pages with links to videos. Or I can just block them.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps. How often is this happening? Nutty Roux (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Couple of times per week an "IlLUMINATI ARE EVERYWHERE" dumps a load of links. Someone catches it every time. Scream!! (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
ZG, have you considered emailing Trent or Gerard to ask for a tech bit? Nutty Roux (talk) 15:30, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Here. What were the requirements for a tech bit again? (Not that I have any objection, but I vaguely recall there were some) - David Gerard (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
We never really had any that I can recall. I usually use the standard that 1) they have to have been a good faith editor for more than a year 2) they have to have demonstrated some technical ability here and 3) they have to have the general trust of the community not to screw things up. John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt (talk) 17:19, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Yer a wizzard, ZooGuard. Please don't break all of everything. (AbuseFilter is something you can break quite a lot of things with, as Noisebot has discovered - always test thoroughly.) - David Gerard (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for using the Roy Wood spelling of "wizzard". BicyclewheelModerator 21:32, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Error with Navsidebar in Politics articles

I get an error in the "Random strands and actors" section in each page with that Navsidebar, like Politics:

Extension:DynamicPageList (DPL), version 1.8.9 : No results found.

Super Dude, What does mine say? Sweet! 10:40, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

It's trying to pull two random articles from Category:Politicians, but there are no articles in that category - everyone has been sorted into sub-categories. I don't know if it's a recent development or not. I suspect that someone will have to shout at a certain user, but I don't have time right now to determine who's responsible and when it happened.--ZooGuard (talk) 11:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Protecting pages (moved from Forum)

Can someone please explain how this is done? Are normal users able to do this? Thanks — — Unsigned, by: Mouse / talk / contribs contribs 03:47, 5 March 2015‎

It requires simple cleaning supplies and elbow grease. User:ikanreed User talk:ikanread 03:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
'Sysop POWERS'™ are required. Then it's a simple matter of clicking the 'down arrow' at the top of the page and doing stuff. Scream!! (talk)11:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Reporting disallowed constructive edit on Doxing

Reporting an error I received on my attempted edit to Doxing, with this message:

This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed.
If you believe your edit was constructive, please report this error. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Dox in a box

The old text (still current) was/is:

...this can bring real pain to innocent people who...

The attempted change:

...this can bring real pain to additional people who...

The attempted summary, marked 'minor', was:

In case of name confusion, "this can bring real pain to *additional* people" [oldid suggests the orig target was not innocent]

What rule was violated, and how do I save this edit? Mathglot (talk) 02:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

You didn't do anything wrong. You tripped an edit filter intended to catch drive-by dox dropping. I'm not going to state the criteria the rule is looking for, but suffice it to say make a few more edits and I'll wave a magic wand and you're all good. For the time being, you can edit any other page no problem regardless. Nutty Roux (talk) 03:02, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Images ?

Can I upload [1] for my page or is that a slippery slope towards fucking up the place ? The ever unpresent Westonbirt 18:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Sure! Just remember to properly attribute it. FuzzyCatPotato™ (talk/stalk) 19:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] PiBot is down

Originally, "PiBot on my talk page".--ZooGuard (talk) 17:57, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey -- I have PiBot set up to archive my talk page every 48 hrs, but there's stuff going back longer than that. Can someone more knowledgeable than I please tell me what I have done wrong? Many thanks. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 17:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Its last edit was on 1 February: Special:Contributions/Pibot. It looks like it may be down.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:57, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
I've asked Pi about it: User talk:Π.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:59, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
I've tested pywikibot's archivebot script under User:ZooBot. It seems that I've managed to configure it, but it looks like Pibot had some extra features, such as the "sticky" keyword, that the generic script lacks, so I don't want to risk running it to clear the backlog.--ZooGuard (talk) 19:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
So I ran ZooBot with a modified archivebot script and it managed to clear most of the backlog. I even convinced it to archive the Saloon Bar. I also found a few cases of misconfigured Pibot templates. User:MadmanJohnson had managed to convince Pibot to delete old threads from his talk page without actually archiving them, though I'm not sure if it was evil genius or just plain incompetence.--ZooGuard (talk) 21:33, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
It's like the wiki just took a huge poop it really needed. Well done! - David Gerard (talk) 21:54, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

OK, so Pi has replied, and it seems that they can't help. Who runs Pibot and where?--ZooGuard (talk) 08:49, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Not on any box I have root on, unfortunately - David Gerard (talk) 19:31, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

It also appears that one of the capturebot is down. WIGO:CP doesn't seem to be keeping screencap automatically anymore. ThiehLooking for potion recipes 13:53, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it runs on the same box as pibot ran on. Trent has access to it, I don't - David Gerard (talk) 16:10, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Any fixes on the hirizon? ThiehZOYG I edit like Ken! 20:28, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I've given up waiting for pibot. If I see a page needs archiving, I archive it. BicyclewheelModerator 22:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Just in case someone hasn't noticed it, User:ZooBot has been in charge for archiving Pibot-enabled talk pages. Look at the Recent changes with bot edits shown every day after 10:00 UTC.--ZooGuard (talk) 11:56, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] DPL Extension problem

A template on this page has the following error message: "Extension:DynamicPageList (DPL), version 1.8.9 : No results found.". You know, where the problem is (Screenshot)?--Arisboch (talk) 00:52, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

It's because Category:Politicians has become a meta-category, which DPL can't handle. I've just removed it, since the alternate involves doing work FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ﹐ Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 01:03, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] User:DeadMan Wonderland/monbook.js

Plz remove template link from page someone with better permissions than me thanks. Hipocrite (talk) 15:39, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Done.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:01, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
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