# RationalWiki:Technical support/Archive6

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##  cquote

When I view RW or RWW in Google Chrome (which I use), the cquote template does not adjust as it should to fit around anything to the right or left, which means the quotes run in front of or behind images or other templates appearing on the page, making them unreadable. I've only seen this in the last couple of days or so, so I'm not sure if it's Chrome that's changed or MediaWiki. In Internet Explorer it looks fine. Is anyone else getting this problem or can shed any light on it? WẽãšẽĩõĩďMethinks it is a Weasel 18:44, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I use Chrome - can you point me to an example of one that's definitely broken for you, so I can check?--talk 01:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
On RWW: Ace McWicked. I hadn't seen it with cquote before, actually, but I had for RWW's awards. Peter with added ‼Science‼ 01:47, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
RWW:MarcusCicero is a particularly messy example, but it's on a lot of pages at RWW, because of the Stalkbox template. On RW, this version of the Otherkin article (before changes) has a very clear example of the quote running in front of an image. Conservapedia:Godspeed has the quote running into the CP template. WèàšèìòìďMethinks it is a Weasel 11:53, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Is there anything that can be done about this? Like replacing cquote with something less shitty? WëäŝëïöïďMethinks it is a Weasel 09:38, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Stop using Chrome. gnostic 18:50, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

##  Tag filter

Is there a reason the tag filter is showing up in RC? I have no use for it that I know of. sterileevolutionist story telling 05:16, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Hasn't it always been there? It is one of those features nobody uses and probably made sense a long time ago. - π 05:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Certainly not always, but has anyone ever had a use for "HeidelbergKid ignoring everyone and posting new topics in the SB" and "Skype toolbar formatting"? Probably has to do with the abuse filters, but it would be nice if it weren't there but for those who can use it. sterileevolutionist story telling 06:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

##  Purging mediawiki files

Can't that be done automatically?--"Shut up, Brx." 03:33, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

So, can we do that? Maybe every few days a bot can hit purge on all commons images. Is that feasible? Would it take too much processing power or memory or whatever?--"Shut up, Brx." 03:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
The problem is that it's your cache, and not a server-side thing. A bot wouldn't work—at least not in the way you describe—though there may be other options. Like detaching ourselves from commons altogether, and having a bot-upload system for requested commons images similar to capturebot's sandbox. Peter is procrastinating. 03:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
But the other day, you did the purge for me [1]--"Shut up, Brx." 03:13, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
No, I had to push purge to clear my own cache. I can't do it 'for' you. Peter is procrastinating. 03:16, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Oh. I misunderstood. A shame. Perhaps you could bring up your idea with the big heads? Nx is gone, but I'm sure Blue and Tmt will have opinions.--"Shut up, Brx." 03:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
One day, maybe—it wouldn't be all that easy to do, at least if you wanted to be able to copy over the license information as part of the upload (which would be ideal). Peter is procrastinating. 03:45, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Errm, no. Purge purges the server-side cache. The problem with the blurry/missing images is somewhere in the caching of thumbnails.--ZooGuard (talk) 06:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I didn't know that. Then what do you think we should do? Peter is procrastinating. 06:18, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Someone with server access and the requisite knowledge should sit down and either find out as much as possible about the bug and report it to the developers of MediaWiki, or try to fix it. Another option is contacting some of the developers of the "use Commons images anywhere" feature or the caching feature and asking for help. Another option is to have a bot patrolling the Commons images, checking somehow if the image is visible and purging them. All of these require different, but non-minimal amounts of time, skill and effort.--ZooGuard (talk) 08:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
So Trent, in other words. When it comes to the bot thing, wouldn't it be better to do that on the server itself? Doing it with a bot seems... inefficient. Peter is procrastinating. 08:36, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
So it's possible to just go about purging everything? Great! When can we start?--"Shut up, Brx." 11:30, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
So has anyone in the know given this any thought?--"Shut up, Brx." 13:08, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to bump this. It seems like a great way to avoid the commons bug, but I don't have the knowledge or authority to implement it (and hell, it may not be feasible for all I know)--"Shut up, Brx." 22:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

##  Adding userspace from $wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl I'm putting this here as part of a larger discussion we need to have about how we wish to present RW's image to people coming in from searches rather than direct links from forums, etc. Bootmii recently resurrected and put in his userspace a number of articles from the Conservapedia space that were deleted by consensus following an extensive review. I deleted them (and was nearly immediately overruled) because it seems to me that permitting a user to have articles of this nature in his userspace completely undermines the policy behind building a consensus to delete them in the first place: getting rid of material that paints RW in a negative light or that in any event is from a period we've grown out of. I'm not "post-Conservapedia" and I'm not trying to have a mission discussion here. This is solely directed at deleted material of this particular nature being resurrected to userspace. I would like to see this material omitted from Google searches. It's not. It is possible that Mediwiki permits individual pages to be excluded using metatags, but my understanding is that not all robots obey noindex and it is nonetheless too much to be going through userspace and unilaterally deciding what does and doesn't get tagged. I suggest Trent add userspace to$wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl so we don't have to worry about this. I'll suggest elsewhere that funspace be added as well. 16:39, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I would certainly support that. ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science. 17:29, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
1. You're an idiot. Brxbrx has the right answer, $wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl just makes the parser ignore the __INDEX__/__NOINDEX__ magic words if you put them on the page. 2. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. You're concerned about RW's image, really? RW has bigger problems than a few crappy articles that someone is saving in their userspace. 3. If you're so concerned about those pages, just desysop and block Bootmii. Problem solved. 109.61.82.156 (talk) 18:36, 5 May 2012 (UTC) Ok then I'm an idiot. Whatever it takes software or server side to accomplish what I asked about. I already addressed relying on people adding noindex on an ad hoc basis. I'm not blocking and desysopping anyone but Brxbrx. Thanks for your helpful input, Nx. 18:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)$wgNamespaceRobotPolicies should work fine for this. Tmtoulouse (talk) 06:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Can we figure this out? Bootmii has not stopped resurrecting the deleted articles. 03:18, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Given his random usage of revision delete as well, I'm leaning on desysop & delete. ТyrannisAn iron, but caring, fist 03:30, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Its been done long ago. 50.130.133.249 (talk) 03:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Okay, good. I've just removed his resurrections from all categories, so his little project won't have any negative effects. 03:50, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I want to renew this concern: these articles show up in relevant Googling. Can we exclude his namespace from external search?--talk 08:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Better: that all oldid/difflinks are barred from bots, as that's how they are getting around what Trent has already done (see here for why this has come up again). Peter Urist for Mod! 08:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
diffs and oldids have noindex by default. It seems google only respects it for pagerank calculations, but otherwise displays the page as a search result. Normally you wouldn't see it as it would be buried at the end of the results, but if you search for bootmii conservapedia for example, the search words are so specific that you will see it, as those are the only relevant results. -- Nx / talk 09:10, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Ah, so they're indexed, but not given any priority? Then I guess we should leave well-enough alone on this one.--talk 22:04, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

##  should special:random exclude pages like...

This? I was rolling random pages and that comes up. K61824Who is Terry Koeckritz anyways? 13:32, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea what we use SimpleForms for, possibly the essay portal's "create an essay" input box... could delete it and see what breaks. sshole 09:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

It's obviously the dumbest thing we ever got out in front of. Question is, once you go liquid, can you ever go back? ħuman 03:50, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

To what extent? It's easy enough to remove it from a page, removing it from the wiki entirely would be more than a little bit harder. Peter Blessed are the cheesemakers 04:06, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
You can, but archiving them is awkward. I hate them too.--talk 06:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Why? It is used sporatically in a few isolated place around the wiki, mostly those that opted in on their talkpage. If you wish to de-lqt a page move the page to a subpage archive and start a fresh. Pi 3:14 (talk) 07:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
That's a good advice. ħuman 03:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

##  Troll-B-gone

I wanted to recreate the account Maratrean... not to use it, simply to stop anyone to recreate it and use it to impersonate me. And I discover that editfilter blocks it (Troll-B-Gone). I don't really mind so long as that edit filter is permanent. Zack Martin  04:56, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Create another account; I will rename it to Maratrean. That may do it.--talk 04:59, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks AD, here it is. Marasomething (talk) 05:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Yep that's me. Zack Martin  05:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Done.--talk 05:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks AD. Zack Martin  06:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

##  Time for another abuse filter

Check out the activity around User:Unidyne and User:Green1.--ZooGuard (talk) 16:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

##  Since when does the abuse filter stop administrative actions?

For some reason the abuse filter is preventing me from vaporizing the off-topic neighborhood drama queen hangout. DMorris, on the EIP Network 1 855 282 2882 17:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Well no it shouldn't be but also no reason to vap the page. Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:59, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Fixed that. Still, don't delete the page. Тytalk 18:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

##  WikiBlame

Anyone willing to install WikiBlame, here or at RWW?--ZooGuard (talk) 11:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I can give it a shot @rww later. ТyrannisAn iron, but caring, fist 12:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Will this allow us to search log summaries as well?--"Shut up, Brx." 02:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
*bump*--ZooGuard (talk) 09:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I would really like an answer, positive, negative, or something else. Will it be too hard to adapt the PHP code for RW instead of Wikimedia projects?--ZooGuard (talk) 09:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Any update?--ZooGuard (talk) 18:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone pay any attention to topics that are not at the bottom of the page?--ZooGuard (talk) 07:46, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

##  Special:Watchlist is borken

Someone fix it? ħuman 02:21, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Mine is not. ListenerXTalkerX 02:44, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Mine is. Doesn't load at all. ħuman 02:47, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Tried a dozen times. Are you sure you loaded yours? Maybe I'll try one of my pupsockets. ħuman 03:00, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
The only reason I even looked at this page was because it showed up on my watchlist. ListenerXTalkerX 03:02, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Yup, it's just me. I wonder what is wrong? ħuman 03:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Maybe you have too many pages on it? Try limiting the time window to an hour. ListenerXTalkerX 03:08, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
I only have 20-30,000 or so on it. It's been doing fine all these years. ħuman 03:10, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, your version loaded after a bit of a wait. But a one hour watchlist is useless. ħuman 03:12, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Still broken. Is anyone watching? ħuman 06:16, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Is it just your watchlist that's broken, or are things generally slow? Peter Urist for Mod! 06:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
It is mine that is borken. LX's works, I ran a few pocksuppets, they worked. I tried LX "one hour" thing above and it worked, but very slowly (and is useless of course). When I click "my watchlist", after a bit of a spin of the wheels, it settles down and pretends it is done, but returns no html. I suspect Trent is fucking with me. ħuman 06:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I can't work here without a functional watchlist. This is a basic MW functionality. I appreciate your comments, but you are not tech folks fixing the problem. ħuman 06:35, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Work? I thought all you did here was revert people and tell them they're useless. -- Nx / talk 07:21, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Either FUCK OFF or FIX IT. Loser. Lol. It is now a month later and you useless "Techs" and "Mods" can't make a simple MW function work? ħuman 04:06, 15 July 2012 (UTC)