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[edit] Wake up call for atheists?

I can't actually suss out what I'm supposed to wake up from? I think it's been pretty clear forever that there are serious anti-Muslim bigots in the atheist community(and among atheists who aren't part of our "community"). I read through the article looking for some indication of what I was supposed to do as an atheist, and all I found was a broadbased accusation that I didn't know or care about minority rights. Ikanreed (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, "A Wake-Up Call For Xenophobes" wouldn't be inflammatory, would it? Frederick♠♣♥♦ 19:22, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Clogosphere or Blogosphere?

I have noticed a few messages on this forum which I think belong in the Blogosphere. Articles written from reputable sources about internet wingnuttery rather than by wingnuts themselves. Can someone please clarify what type of article goes where? Thanks.--Mercian (talk) 18:59, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

If it's a good article, Blogosphere. If it's a shit article, Clogosphere. If it's a good article about shitty things, your pick. αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 19:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Carson

That's dupe entry number 3 I think. I'm not merging that one into the other ones again. Mayo2017 (talk) 10:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Halfs?

I'm not a fan of Kotaku, but speaking as someone who is 75:25 Koreo-Japanese, am I missing something about the article on biracial people in Japan? Is there something Clogworthy about it that I'm not getting? Japan is pretty notoriously xenophobic (particularly towards certain groups), and the Internet populace of Japan isn't significantly less vulnerable to the Online disinhibition effect[wp]. Noir LeSable (talk) 22:10, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

It was put there by the 74 IP, so they might not have had a particularly good reason to add it here. (talk) 22:24, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] The Clog About Cenk Uygur.

I notice that it's getting a mixed reaction. I didn't submit it, but I do agree that the youtuber atheism-is-unstoppable is a nut and he's a pedantic nitwit too. Yeah, Cenk Uygur goes soft on Islamic issues, but that's to be expected, considering he deconverted from Islam. The most important thing is that he doesn't support Daesh/ISIS, right? The other, more anonymous youtuber seems to get a bug up his ass if someone isn't as xenophobic as Sam Harris. What exactly is the goal of being more contempuous of Islam itself? It's not like you can go to war with 1 billion people. Hotwateramericano (talk) 18:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I think it's getting a mixed reaction because it's so confusing. I downvoted it originally because I had no idea what I was watching in the video. After I saw this, I understood it better and went back to upvote it. CombustibleLemon (talk) 00:30, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
I was confused about why the guy put all of the clips that pretty much disprove his case that Cenk is a Muslim apologist in the beginning of the video.TheriziπosaurusG (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, maybe I did word the post poorly (most people probably don't know who atheism-is-unstoppable is or that he's a massive Sam Harris fan), but that fact that people don't understand what the guy who made the video is talking about kinda proves my point that he's nuts. Nuclearneo577 (talk) 04:10, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Mama Schlaffy

She's making some wild assumptions about the Walter Scott shooting and her dismissal of the relevance of racism is obviously bad, but she's not wrong in pointing out that there's a big problem with the way the justice system handles poor people that fail to pay court-ordered payments or fines. (talk) 17:56, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you think she is at all interested in the question of how the courts treat poor people outside of the narrow patriarchal reading of the situation that she wrote about? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:31, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
See Stopped Clock--Aloysius the Gaul (talk) 22:09, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
1. I'm not going to spend 20 minutes watching a comic explain a complex issue like child support laws. Find a proper article I can read and I'll comment on the issue. 3. She never mentions "fines," so that's not at al relevant to the discussion. she only discusses child support, as far as I can see. 3. She's a "stopped clock" for arguing that men shouldn't have to pay child support? ("The whole idea that a poor man is expected to support two households, including one with a child he never sees and may not even be his, is contrary to common sense and to all human experience. In too many cases, DNA investigations revealed that the poor guy is not the father of the kid for whom he is ordered to pay child support.) That's the argument you want to go to bat for? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 23:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Child support and imprisonment for debt are indeed similar problems. Child support is also a major recruiter for the underground economy, and as such tends to compound the legal issues faced by its victims. Fortunately, medicine offers hope; there is a cure called abortion. Abortion heals welfare babies, and is so wonderful that it is able to stop crimes from happening twenty years in the future. If you recognize the problem you should want abortion on every streetcorner. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 01:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Considering that abortion is only a solution if the children weren't wanted in the first place and that the majority of child support comes from failed marriages where the children WERE wanted, I fail to see the support for post-birth abortion here. Also, child support is in the best interests of the friggin' child; if you're going to make the MRA argument that child support is a burden amongst the menz, just fucking say so. --Castaigne (talk) 02:57, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm mostly peeved that despite this brief moment of lucidity, Mrs. Schlafly and the rest of her ilk will not throw their support behind something that works at least some of the time. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 04:38, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Since the kids in question are already in existence, saying abortion is a solution is just as relevant as saying contraception or abstinence is a solution. And since the kids in question are already in existence, I'd add that you suggesting they shouldn't exist just so that one of their parents wouldn't have to make payments seems pretty offensive. The problem here is that poor people that can't keep up with payments are being thrown in jail and having their licenses suspended, making it even harder for them to make money in order to pay their debts. Preaching abortion whenever you see the opportunity isn't gonna make the justice system fix itself. (Also, saying that people that might not be able to pay child support later in life should have their pregnancies aborted pretty much amounts to "poor people shouldn't procreate".) (talk) 09:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
It simply struck me as odd that someone would recognize the problem that child support demands cause without supporting a right to abortion. And yes, as far as I'm concerned, abortion should receive every encouragement, if for no other reason than to reduce the human biomass. And yes, other forms of debt relief are also necessary. At minimum, child support payments should be subject to the same restrictions as other garnishments are. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 14:24, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
You know, if you wanted to reduce the human biomass, starting a nuclear war or making certain volcanic islands go boom would be far more effective means of achieving that goal. (talk) 14:54, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Both of those things would also help deal with global warming as well. I smell a win-win here. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 16:00, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
So, you'd devestate Earth's environment for the sake of stopping global warming? Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose? (talk) 16:39, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Looks like we have to destroy the Earth in order to save it. I'm not going to shrink away from making the hard choices. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 17:07, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
My biggest secret is that I felt sorta sympathetic to the Eugenicist villian of Moonraker who wanted to reboot humanity and civilization. But really, owning a space station is probably enough to get me to like anyone. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 18:36, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
In the book he was a honest-to-god Nazi.--Madman (talk) 18:58, 16 April 2015 (UTC)The Madman
Well, yeah, I'm not actually in favor of eugenics either. Just there's something about a dream to "making humanity right by starting over" that seems powerful. We're a very fucked up species, and wishing for an easy out on solving that by means other than slowly and progressively fixing systemic problems against the wishes of those abusing those problems is a nice mental shortcut. Actually doing it would be inhuman on an unprecedented scale, and anyone who'd volunteer for participating is almost certainly not someone you'd want founding a civilization. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 19:13, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

"It simply struck me as odd that someone would recognize the problem that child support demands cause without supporting a right to abortion." You were surprised that Phyllis Schlafly doesn't support abortion? Really? Even if you disregard any prior knowledge of who she is, and ignore the advert for "Who Killed the American Family?" interjected in the middle of the text, it's still pretty clear that she's appealing to notions of the traditional family and family values here, and most likely sees both abortion and the child support system as negative symptoms of the nuclear family's decline. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 20:48, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

It isn't like I didn't expect her to take that position. On the other hand, if she believes that all families ought to look a certain way, there are multiple paths to achieving that goal. If you want to guarantee your children that white upper middle class future that's their birthright, from time to time access to abortion's going to be a necessity. The anti-abortion cult is for people who have no futures to lose. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 03:49, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Google +

Are Google Plus blogs Applicable for this? Because this blog.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+SixMillion4Truth88/posts — Unsigned, by: / talk 03:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes.--ZooGuard (talk) 09:54, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I really don't want to click that link, but that title is exactly as horrible as it sounds, right? ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 16:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

"Six Million 4 Truth"
lel. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 21:29, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I think the 6e6 figure is a reference... PacWalker 03:52, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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