Talk:2016 Republican Party presidential nomination

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[edit] Too uninformed to just change the article suggestions go here

Ted Cruz is going to be alarmingly funny when he inevitably runs, right? Ikanreed (talk) 19:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Remember the record ratings for Republican debates in 2011? There are only a few people in this world that can make them go higher. Osaka Sun (talk) 19:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Any news on Paul Ryan? --TiaC (talk) 07:29, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

He's doing a Mitt. Osaka Sun (talk) 08:09, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Helpful Ideas on candidates (that we'd like to see giving the nomination a shot): Fun, article or talkpage?

I was inspired by this line in the Boris Johnson article:

"Being a natural-born U.S. citizen (born in New York City, therefore he has dual-citizenship), which means that while it may be unlikely, he could, theoretically, run for President of the United States in the future, if he so chooses."

to suggest that we add a section with helpful suggestions to make the GOP think out of the box, but where would such a section fit? In the article itself, on this talkpage, or in the funspace?

Please, Republicans, seeing your field of dubious and/or boring drones from the reject pile of politics, you really could do worse than Boris. C'mon people, make that grey matter boogie and help the Republicans become a party with a future, or at least help them to provide us with a more entertaining primary and presidential campaign! ScepticWombat (talk) 18:11, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Just think, he could end up both President and Prime Minister. SophieWilderModerator 20:25, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
There's also the Shrieking White-Hot Sphere of Pure Rage, but it's probably not winning over big donors. Osaka Sun (talk) 20:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Carson?

First to say he was running, but missing from the list. Is it because he's black? --Seth Peck (talk) 21:31, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

It's rather "There's at least 23 candidates running, we only have 12 up and I have no time to research them all." Osaka Sun (talk) 23:39, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
He would be a better candidate to have on the list as he is more well known than John Kasich, has been flogged on right wing news services, and more likely to be entertaining than most others. EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 00:18, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Need to have them all up here. Osaka Sun (talk) 00:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Bobby Jindal.

Bobby Jindal has mentioned that he would run. Why isn't he listed? Supyloco (talk) 01:47, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I've added him, but please feel free to revise/add to the information on him and his (dis)advantages. ScepticWombat (talk) 15:18, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Michele Bachmann?

Any news on whether Michele Bachmann is going to try her luck again?

On the same note: Any bets on whether Sarah Palin is going to try for the same kind of "I might run, shine the spotlight on me"-antics she practised last time around (by stalking the primary caravan and promoting herself)? ScepticWombat (talk) 14:36, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Not very likely for either; Carly Fiorna is being cast for the role of token woman in the primary debates. nobsISIS is SISI spelled backwards. 16:45, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] The Senator for South Carolina wants to run for President, yup that one

See here: <https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-01-18/who-s-excited-about-lindsey-graham-flirting-with-a-presidential-run->. I'll withold my opinion for now, but what do you guys think about that? Alsto003 (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC) Alex

He may actually take up the cause, not necessarily to win, but as was discussed elsewhere to give voice to the issue of leadership in the global jihad. nobsISIS is SISI spelled backwards. 01:33, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Can't get the damn pic to upload right. nobsISIS is SISI spelled backwards. 02:27, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Lindsey Graham on the Commander-in-Chief issue: "President Obama's "policies are getting people killed...Almost 300,000 people have been killed in Syria on his watch ...Letting people out of Gitmo in this environment is irresponsible... need I go on? nobsISIS is SISI spelled backwards. 03:17, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] CPAC Straw poll

CPAC Straw poll is this Saturday. Rand Paul (the paleoisolationist) won two years straight, and the maverick Ted Cruz ran second last year. The only reason Mitt & Jeb ever got in was to head off these two cause Chris Christie has no popular appeal. Meantime the grassroots are getting behind Walker who gets no financial support from the GOP Governors Association chaired by Chris Christie. So, here's my predictions on the outcome of the straw poll: 1) Walker; 2) Jeb; 3) Rand Paul; 4) Ted Cruz; 5) Christie.

The big news would be if Paul, Cruz or (god help us) Christie beats Jeb. After Walker gets Jeb & Christie's donor base (including GOP Gov. Assn. money), he's unstoppable. The only remaining question is to what extent the isolationist and anti-immigrant sentiment remains in the Conservative movement, cause those sentiments expressed by Paul & Cruz are the onlyissues that have wider appeal outside the Republican Party. Anybody want to wager if Rand Paul (two time top vote getter) can beat out Jeb Bush for second place? nobsI was in Bagdad when u wer in dadsbag. 15:25, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

2015 CPAC Results: Rand Paul wins three years running. Percent/Candidate

  • 25.7 Sen. Rand Paul
  • 21.4 Gov. Scott Walker
  • 11.5 Sen. Ted Cruz
  • 11.4 Dr. Ben Carson
  • 8.3 Former Gov. Jeb Bush
  • 4.3 Former Sen. Rick Santorum
  • 3.7 Sen. Marco Rubio
  • 3.5 Donald Trump
  • 3.0 Carly Fiorina
  • 2.8 Gov. Chris Christie
  • 1.1 Former Gov. Rick Perry
  • 0.9 Gov. Bobby Jindal
  • 0.8 Former Gov. Sarah Palin
  • 0.3 Former Gov. Mike Huckabee
  • 0.3 Former Ambassador John Bolton
  • 0.1 Sen. Lindsey Graham
  • 0.1 Former Gov. George Pataki
  • 1.0 Undecided
  • 0.7 Other

(3,007 votes cast Feb. 25-27 at the Conservative Political Action Conference. Conducted by the Polling Company Inc./WomenTrend). nobsI was in Bagdad when u wer in dadsbag. 16:49, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

When is the last time a CPAC winner from the poll the year before the election was the actual candidate?
Not sure; but this is an important base of the GOP, and it shows where and what policies matter (social consevs vs economic conervs, foreign policy vs domestic issues such as taxes & abortion, etc.) The next big event upcoming is the Governers Assn. meetings (both Dem Govs & GOP Govs).
(ec)Analysis: So, I overrated Jeb's appeal (or effort to go after conservatives), but Christie falls off the charts beaten by the token female Fiorina, Trump, Rubio, and Carson. Gay basher Santorium beats foreign policy expert Rubio; Jeb still gets his ass handed to him by Paul and Cruz, the two guys with populist appeal the donor base fears most. Carson beats Jeb, meaning the social values (Christian Right) element still is pissed-off and won't be fooled again by the New World Order-big government-RINO-Bush clan. Also, it appears the social values conservatives are going for Carson over Perry, Huckabee and Santorium. Entrapeneurs, as represented by Trump, beating Christie and Perry, flexes its muscle against more established business interests represented by Jeb. Santorium beating Rubio is somewhat a surprise, probably a reflection of name recognition and experience. Also rans: Lindsey Graham, and specifics on leadership issue in the foreign policy debate have yet to take root. nobsI was in Bagdad when u wer in dadsbag. 17:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Overall, adding Paul & Cruz together (37.2%) it reflects a rising libertarian element, with populist appeal outside traditional GOP voters, within the conservative movement and Republican party. 80% of Republicans self-identify as conservative, so 37.2 % of 80% = the appeal of libertarian isolationism + its outside appeal from non-aligned mainstream and crossover voters. This threatens traditional defense contractors, jobs, and the military industrial complex represented by traditional internationalist Republicans such as Jeb, Lindsey Graham, Palin, Bolton, Walker, Rubio, and virtually the rest of the entire field. nobsI was in Bagdad when u wer in dadsbag. 17:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC

History of the Winners: 2008 Romney, 2009 Romney, 2010 Romney, 2011 Papa Paul, 2012 Romney, 2013 Rand Paul, 2014 Rand Paul, 2015 Rand Paul. [1] nobsI was in Bagdad when u wer in dadsbag. 19:16, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

As this relates to a General Election scenario: There is roughly, at the outer most, a 60/40 percent split (more likely 65/35 percent) between traditional Wilson-FDR-Ike-Johnson-Nixon interventionists vs the growing libertarian isolationism in (A) the General electorate, (B) the Republican party, and (C) the Conservative movement. One can surmise the Democratic party has similar numbers. The American people are reactive and not proactive, meaning they will rise up as one in the face of a Pearl Harbor, Golf of Tonkin, 9/11 scenario. But this is always short-lived, not longer than one presidential term (like the Civil War or WWII). Any prolonged engagement like Vietnam or Afghanistan they will grow weary of. Rand Paul boasts he proposed a Declaration of War against ISIS, not an AUMF. He doesn't tell you the unlimited budget-busting authority which a formal Declaration of War automatically gives to a shitload of government agencies (pp. 49-80 pdf). This of course totally shitcans his entire small government economically responsible message. IOW, his "Declaration of War" is posturing and designed to fail, even if as President he proposed it in response to an attack. I suspect the peace/war foreign policy issues will decide Rand Paul's future well before November 2016. nobsI was in Bagdad when u wer in dadsbag. 19:16, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Did you say "a rising libertarian element"? For once, Smith, I gotta say: you're maybe right. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 01:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
They'll discover pot legalization and banking regulation reform go arm in arm. nobsI was in Bagdad when u wer swirling in yur Dads' bag. 19:01, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] 2052 nomination

A tad early but Charlotte Clinton Mezvinsky (Chelsea Clinton's daughter). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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