Talk:Alfred Kinsey

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I understand that articles on Rational Wiki tend to have snark, but they usually have reasonable arguments as well. This one seems to be completely ignoring the fact that Kinsey is despised by Conservatives, and me, in spite of the fact that I don't identify myself as such, because he obtained data for his studies through pedophiles who regularly sodomized their children. Really, I don't see how you can win an argument against that.Ziiv (talk) 12:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

You can add that as a criticsm section if you like. I think it's fairly well known that his research was obtained through ethically dubious ways - specifically he didn't report people who confessed to paedophilia, though I think it's unclear if he actively went out of his way to find them- although that doesn't so much negate his research as such. Scarlet A.pngpostate 12:21, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
The data was not obtained in a scientifically unsound manner, whatever the moral objections to it. And I put that conservatives do not have any especial objection to the bit about the child molesters; they dislike the whole body of his research and are using that as a handy cudgel to bash it. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 15:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
If he obtained information about paedophiles by interviewing paedophiles, why not put it in the article? I would have thought that if you wanted to obtain information about these people it would seem to be the most obvious way to obtain it. My assumption is that he did not actively encourage them - but if he did then he should most certainly be condemned for it.--BobNot Jim 15:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I can't find any info on the total population used in the report but there are frequent references to 9 pedophiles[sic]. One has to remember that the research was conducted in the late 1940s when all but "normal" (1 male, 1 female) sex was ignored, not believed in or illegal. The majority of child research was apparently anecdotal (memories of respondent's own childhood, parental observation etc.). Some mention should be made in the article. This message brought to you by: Toastrespondand honey 21:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
TOW says that he interviewed a single pedophile and misrepresented him as 9 pedos. He did also interview prisoners. Maybe that intersected--Brxbrx (talk) 16:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

[edit] This article is a joke, right?

Kinsey was a master at cherry picking, but he did little real science if any at all. Most of his research has turned out to be useless from scientific perspectives. You can read about it here and here.

Besides, this article is too long. You make many words but what you want to say could be told in one sentence: "Kinsey beat the conservatives HA HA HA how clever of him... (conservatives are stupid, haha!!!111!!!!)". Omg. --82.131.36.119 (talk) 20:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that Kinsey did absolutely nothing of value to the scientific community. Perhaps with a consensus, I will make the article reflect that. Sexologist? Get real.--Colonel Sanders (talk) 20:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Yep. Sucks more than a little. Scarlet A.pngpostate 20:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I agree that Kinsey did absolutely nothing of value to the scientific community. - well, er, what he did was pen the way for proper well researched papers. He also made it 'normal' to be 'abnormal'. so, whilst as a scientist he was crap, as a pioneer he was important. The article is still crap, however. Jack Hughes (talk) 21:05, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Judith Reisman

I am surprised this article makes no mention of Judith Reisman, beloved of WND, who has made a whole career out of attacking Kinsey from the right. On the whole, she is an utter loon - see the Wikipedia article on her, complete with her belief in "erototoxin" chemicals produced by watching pornography, and her ludicrous belief the Nazis started out as a gay rights group. On the other hand, maybe some of her criticisms of Kinsey on the pedophilia issue have some truth in them - even if, maybe not to the extremes to which she takes them? --Zack Martin HolyMaratreanSigil.png 11:10, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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