Talk:Autism rights movement
[edit] So, let me get some things straight.
Is this (especially the neurodiversity thing) pseudoscience? Because to me, it seems nothing more than identity politics being used as a medium to promote mental illness denial (especially since fucking bipolar disorder is defended under this label). --Raysenn Get the paddles, he's having a cancer! 17:32, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- The "pseudoscience" bit depends on the specific claims made. In general, looks more like an attempt at philosophical re-framing, which may or may not be valid, depending on your views and again on the specific claims made. This is one of the reasons why the article would be better served with more citations. That are not links to the front pages of websites.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:37, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- A search for "bipolar" returns no results on Autism Network International, and only two results on the Autism Self-Advocacy Network - one is in an organization name, the other is in the footnotes of this open letter about the Sandy Hook shooting.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:50, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- For bipolar, I was talking about the whole "neurodiversity" thing, which overlaps with this.
- But I also agree with all you say. We should do more citations, but this seems to be a relatively fringe thing. --Raysenn Get the paddles, he's having a cancer! 18:05, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- This is the first I've heard of the term having anything to do with bipolar disorder. Do you have a source for this? --GastonRabbit (talk) 18:06, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Here:
[T]he neurodiversity concept was initially embraced by individuals on the autism spectrum, but subsequent groups have applied the concept to conditions unrelated (or non-concomitant) to autism such as bipolar disorder [emphasis mine], ADHD, schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, circadian rhythm disorders, developmental speech disorders, Parkinson's disease, dyslexia, developmental coordination disorder, dyscalculia, dysnomia, OCD, and Tourette [sic] syndrome.
- Any questions? --Raysenn Get the paddles, he's having a cancer! 18:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Many of those don't have citations, bipolar disorder being one of them. --GastonRabbit (talk) 18:23, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- There's also these guys and this book (one frequently cited by neurodiversity advocates). And no, the whole "but it's the fringe!" doesn't apply here because neurodiversity is a fringe thing in the first place. --Raysenn Get the paddles, he's having a cancer! 18:47, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Many of those don't have citations, bipolar disorder being one of them. --GastonRabbit (talk) 18:23, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- This is the first I've heard of the term having anything to do with bipolar disorder. Do you have a source for this? --GastonRabbit (talk) 18:06, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
You guys sure are lazy. It took me only a few seconds of Googling to verify the stuff you're complaining about. ₩€₳$€£ΘĪÐ
Methinks it is a Weasel 18:57, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Raysenn, nobody other than you said anything about anything being a fringe idea or not. --GastonRabbit (talk) 21:52, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Just in case. --Raysenn Get the paddles, he's having a cancer! 22:50, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
[edit] Science Can Only Prove Notions of "Is" Not "Ought"
Hence there is nothing pseudoscientific about saying these different ways of thinking, these different neurologies should be accepted as equal. It's philosophical reframing not pseudoscience. Scientists can show how X, Y, and Z results in A. They can't prove which way is best.92.204.14.250 (talk) 12:52, 5 June 2014 (UTC)