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...and sexy--PalMD-yada yada 19:13, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

seriously, he could be talking about another object entirely.--PalMD-yada yada 19:15, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

But c'mon, Pal! Kirk Cameron endorses the banana argument! --Kels 19:42, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

(Nods like AK)...yes, of course.70.227.200.194 19:42, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

Did nobody tell him that the bananas he eats are seedless and do not occur in nature? The natural version is full of large, hard seeds, and isn't especially convenient! Totnesmartin 07:58, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

Yet more evidence that God hates us and wants us to suffer. Stile4aly 10:57, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

If bananas were intelligently designed they wouldn't taste like bananas. 59.167.57.120 06:00, 5 March 2009 (EST)

My brother has a fear of bananas. Seriously, he won't touch them or taste them. He thinks they're weird or something. Maybe he really IS having nightmares about them...But anyway, I seriously don't understand how anyone takes Way of the Master seriously. Can you believe it made it to 3 whole seasons?!! I would've dropped it after the pilot if I was in charge...Bttsstewart 05:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Edible bananas come from sterile hybrid plants. The cavendish and plantain bananas are parthenocarpic, meaning they're sterile. No seeds means no reproduction without cloning. Every cavendish banana is genetically identical to every other cavendish banana sold in the world. A sterile non-reproducing-without-human-intervention plant is evidence of god's work? — Unsigned, by: 70.197.51.197 / talk 18:20, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

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[edit] Plagiarism

According to a comment by Pyrolonn on this YouTube video "It is not widely known but Ray Comfort stole the whole banana bit from early 80s movie Oh God Book 2 with George Burns playing God". Can anyone substantiate this?  Lily Inspirate me. 10:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Ebert gives a thumbs up

Well sort of, on his twitter account he retweets a link my friend put up linking to this page during their discussion of the youtube video. And others are spreading it across twitter, so this is getting some nice play, if we want to clean it up some? tmtoulouse 04:45, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Move?

Should I move it to "Atheist's Nightmare"? Why or why not? Colbert|FanFor the LuLz 19:41, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

No, because atheists do not have banana-related nightmares any more than the rest. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 19:46, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


[edit] The European Union angle

Banana bentness regulation should be brought in somehow (and whether Euroscepticism = atheism).

Bananas have no more to do with atheism than the flowers that bloom in the spring (tra la). 212.85.6.26 (talk) 18:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Nor do Gilbert and Sullivan. — Unsigned, by: 86.135.183.34 / talk / contribs

[edit] Hey

Wouldn't it make more sense to call it "banana argument"? It's not a structural error in logic, but one certain argument. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 10:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

But then you don't get the double entendre. Jack Hughes (talk) 10:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


[edit] Red bananas

I know it is an old joke, but would it be worth noting that there actually are red bananas? — Unsigned, by: 208.110.184.6 / talk / contribs

They taste kinda funny. But you do bring up an interesting (at least to me) point. There are many different kinds of bananas and not all exhibit the properties the banana fallacy is concerned with. I'm thinking mostly of platanos which require frying to eat. Surely God did not envisage this?--"Shut up, Brx." 13:51, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

This article and talk page come right at the top of the first page of Google for Banana fallacy. Is it good enough for silver? Proxima Centauri (talk) 13:52, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't say argumentum ad googlum is particular valid for an upgrade. But I'm happy with it. Thing is, the article started as just that point-by-point bit and then expanded. Although I enjoy the snarkommentary, it repeats a lot and needs tightened. ADK...I'll hear your octopus! 14:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
I'd definitely give it my blessing for an upgrade. ADK...I'll explode your error! 13:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Upgraded. Proxima Centauri (talk) 13:28, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Squirt in the face

Hi there, first post on this wiki, about the squirt in the face comment I think he was just compairing it to how a Soda Can can squirt in your face, suggesting that it is superior to mans design. Keeping in mind this was before he found out God gave us the blue prints so we could make a bannana. I think we lost those blueprints. --68.111.79.211 (talk) 07:25, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

[edit] "Bad sex" section

What the fuck? I'm aiming to delete that, although it's pretty big and I imagine some might object. Seriously, what the fuck? (note that I started playing a new video game "The Polynomial," and that it's frantic pace and fast colors have left me feeling a little fuzzy- that may explain my reaction)--"Shut up, Brx." 00:12, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I guess it's kinda weird but it makes a relevant point. Sam Tally-ho! 00:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Side-by-side

Is there any actual pressing need for that bit to be side-by-side? It's not taking extensive amounts of text from somewhere else and seems to be slowly deteriorating in quality. Like, someone's inserted "WRONG" and "WONG AGAIN!!!11" style bits into it. Which is odd, because it's just summarising a video response, rather than being a side-by-side of actual content. Scarlet A.pnggnostic 09:50, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Why didn’t God

Why didn’t God “place a tab at the top” of oranges, grapefruit, lemons, or limes? Duh. Because oranges and grapefruits are meant to be sliced in half and juiced, and lemons and limes are meant to be sliced in smaller pieces to be put in cocktails. Stupid evolutionists! CasparRH (talk) 20:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

And cherries should grow candied.

What about the Trinidad Scorpion Moruga? 171.33.222.26 (talk) 17:30, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

[edit] The flaw in the argument

There are no beer-dispensing plants. 171.33.222.26 (talk) 18:28, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution. TyJFBANBSRADA 18:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Sometimes 'squaring the logic' (ie applying the proposers' logic to their own theories) shows the obvious flaws and provides some amusement. 171.33.222.26 (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
This does not appear to be one of those times. SophieWilder 19:12, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

[edit] "retconning"

I'd replace this with a word, but I don't know what it means. What the fuck does it mean, and why don't we use the words that it means? A bit rough in a "silver" article. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Retcon is syllabic abbreviation for "retroactive continuity." Revisionist history is the term used by people who leave the house. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 02:22, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
PZ Myers doesn't leave the house?  :-)
"Retcon" is one of those newfangled internet-generation words that requires regularly socializing with people under 30 to get. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 04:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

[edit] He doesn't even know how to open a banana

Curiously enough, contrary to what Ray says, it can actually quite difficult to open a banana from the stem (although this varies from banana to banana). It is easy to crush the top of the banana when peeling it that way.

This is actually the proper way to open a banana. ShadowFan-X (talk) 02:45, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

That video just changed my whole outlook on life. Picon small.pngAcer Blue 02:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I thought they ripped it open at the side, or am I mis-remembering this? Scarlet A.pngsshole 08:40, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
No, no, that's how they go about eating small children. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 09:10, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
That's just their atheism talking. Scarlet A.pngbomination 14:29, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence against God

Even granting every one of Ray's premises (that the banana in its natural state is seemingly designed to help humans, and this supports the existence of God) doesn't actually prove that God exists. If one particular object being seemingly designed to help humans is evidence for God, then the apparently limitless things in the universe seemingly designed to hurt humans must be evidence against God. Viruses, harmful bacteria, tigers, and the vast emptiness of space are all singularly well-suited to harm humans, and, on Ray's reasoning, must be taken as evidence either that God doesn't exist or that he does exist and is insane (having produced a universe that doesn't seem to be governed by any overriding principle). By sheer space occupied, the things that hurt humans outnumber those that help them, and therefore, by Ray's own argument, God doesn't exist.

This is more ridiculous than Ray's argument, or was it suppose to be? If hurt us than help us why aren't we dead? - π 06:27, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I think that it's just pointing out the logical flaws of Ray's argument. I don't think it's seriously proposing that atheists use it as a general argument against the existence of God. Redchuck.gif ГенгисmaraudingModerator 07:59, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
It's based on the principle that if the presence of something is evidence for then absence is evidence against. So if the vast majority of things out there in the world display a significant lack of design or an active hindrance to us, then Ray's logic should conclude that God does not exist or God is an asshole (these kind of arguments can't distinguish between support for atheism and maltheism). It's a facetious and ridiculous point, yes, but only because Ray's point is so ridiculous in the first place. Still, if you accept that "convenient design" is evidence for an intelligent designer, then "inconvenient design" should be evidence against. Weigh those two up and "no God" or "incompetent/evil God" wins.
This wouldn't wash with Ray himself, though. He has some, erm, interesting thought processes. Scarlet A.pngpathetic 00:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
More specifically to ca.22/7's point, if there is more in the world that are a hindrance rather than a help to us, it doesn't follow that we should all be dead. It simply means we struggle to survive - and in our natural state, we do. Natural selection in fact relies on the world being a complete and utter bastard in our direction. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 01:00, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Ray Comfort didn't make this argument up

This banana argument goes back before from Ray Comfort. Back in the 90s, David Brandt Berg, in one of his comic-style publications, compares the banana to the coke can. He argues that the former is the original, God given product and that the latter is man's version of it. Ez fx (talk) 22:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC) q=banana+fallacy

The article doesn't state he's the originator of this argument. Can you cite a source that I can include in the article? — Unsigned, by: Zero / talk / contribs 17:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
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