Talk:Bringing the animals to the ark

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Aha, this is where you are wrong, my friend! You make the mistake of assuming that the dispersion of animals, and even landmasses, following the flood was the same as prior. In fact, every single animal on the ark was within Noah's reach, and further they only changed their habits (but not their forms) afterwards, when presented with this new environment. You can thank me later for this wise criticism. --Kels 05:34, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

Yes, though it pains me to admit it, I think this is the "solution" that would be offered to that part of the problem. a more interesting question might be how they survived after they left the ark. What did the herbivores eat? It would have been a great wet plant less plain. Even more interestingly, what did the carnivores eat? If there were only two examples of all the "unclean" animals then they couldn't have survived much (or indeed any)predation. --Bob_M (talk) 05:44, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
I actually have that problem covered, Today I start construction on the creationist claims section. - Icewedge 13:57, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
Shame we don't have a resident creationist to fight the other corner.  :-( --Bob_M (talk) 14:25, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

Obviously:

All the animals were swooshed up by God into his (later) pyramid building interstellar spacecraft and dumped just out of sight behind that hill there. 193.113.235.183 07:16, 25 July 2007 (CDT) Oops! Forgot to log in Keepthe faith 07:21, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

Let us consider the kangaroo for a moment. If all the animals existed in proximity of the ark, then certainly there would be some record of the kangaroo - either fossil, linguistic (the ancient hebrew word for kangaroo), or written (Fantasia 2000 does not count). As there is no evidence of the kangaroo ever being in the middle east, you not only have the question of how did the kangaroo get to Australia after the flood but how did it get to the ark before the flood. This problem also exists for bison, turkey, humming birds, and all other animals endemic to some other continent than Africa, Europe, and Asia. Penguins are a poor example - they spend much longer than 40 continuous days at sea. --Shagie 14:57, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

Penguins are not used as an example in the section on the oceanic barrier. - Icewedge 15:02, 25 July 2007 (CDT)


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[edit] Marsupial mammals

Thea article presently states: Marsupial mammals (such as platypi and kangaroos) don't do well competing with placental mammals (virtually every mammal outside of Australia).. This may be a bit of a hostage to fortune. There are marsupials in South America and at least one in North America. Just wanted to mention it before some YEC started to jump up and down about it.--Bob_M (talk) 07:31, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Structure

There seem to be some duplications between the main, critical, section and the section for what Creationists claim. Climate and predation are both mentioned as criticisms, and then repeated below. Shouldn't they be removed from the latter section, since I don't see a lot of Creationists arguing against the Ark being possible. --Kels 17:22, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Hmn.

Problems with this line of thinking (for the sake of argument)

Assuming worldwide flood (as opposed to known world flood):

  1. Argues that while God has to power to flood the whole world, he does not have the power to arrange for animals to make it to the ark.
  2. Argues that the transport of said animals, if done by natural methods (as opposed to supernatural), took place in the course of a signal animal generation.

Anyway, just a couple of problems. HeartGoldTeach me about your father Satan 15:37, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

About #2, having the journey take more that a single generation causes more problems than it solves. While it would be extremely difficult for the animals to just survive outside there normal habitat it would be nearly impossible for them to mate. Consider penguins, there eggs would overheat and the chicks would die. The young of the more fragile animals would also be preyed upon mercilessly by the local predator population. - Icewedge 15:50, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
What about animals like badgers, who can't stand other animals, including other badgers outside of mating season? Their aggressive, territorial nature would be a serious hinderance in a rather close environment like an ark. --Kels 16:01, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
I should change my name to badger. HeartGoldTeach me about your father Satan 16:04, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
Badgers are awesome. In the sense of bad-tempered, nasty little brutes. --Kels 16:08, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

[edit] The Obvious Solution

"God did it, you atheistic, anti-school prayer evilutionists! God can do anything!"

Icewedge deleted this (with the same header I used here) when he added the global flood template thing. Was it intentional? I am not wedded to the wording, but the idea mocks any attempt to rationally debunk the flood myth. humanbe in 17:03, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

oops. Revert it if you want. - Icewedge 17:07, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
Actually, I do question any attempt to debunk this. If you're dealing with God, and have no claim that the Bible is the "complete" flood story, I really don't see the point in debunking the myth with natural arguments. Simply stating that it is impossible to debunk is more succinct. HeartGoldTeach me about your father Satan 17:08, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
(edit conflict) Its not really that, the truth of the bible is technically impossible to disprove. This is more of a response to sites like answers in genesis. - Icewedge 17:14, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
Putting back in. humanbe in 17:11, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Tons of room

"The Bible" is on TV - there's tons of room in the ark. (and they've got kangeroos) Keepoff the grass 20:03, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Hmmm

I think I can say with 101 percent certainty that you A) oppose school prayer 2) oppose the bible in math class and D) oppose God-fearing children bringing their guns to school. Well? Dontcha got anything to say, fairy? ʄĹїþþїɲ;-) 14:38, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

you got me :)! - Icewedge 14:39, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Image

Noah's Arc.jpg

[edit] Oceans

Just like to point out that moose are actually pretty good at swimming. Obviously they couldn't cross oceans, but they wouldn't drown within minutes as asserted on this page -CR

[edit] Palestine?

Animals having a hard time in Palestine is mentioned a few times in this article. Trouble is, it's not clear that the ark was built and launched there. My impression has been that the ark's home port was somewhere in the fertile crescent. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 14:37, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

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