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[edit] Shock Jock?

Isn't Howard Stern a shock jock? That is, doesn't that term refer to someone who makes deliberately insulting and offensive remarks just for the shock value? I listened to Art Bell off and on over the years, and I never heard him out-shock Casey Kasem. I'll remove the term, if no one objects. Jon in Iowa 12:18, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

You seem to be quite correct... I changed the description. ħumanUser talk:Human 12:24, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
You're a peach. Jon in Iowa 12:26, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] What is this?

"...and the exposure of barium to the population seems logical if reports are true that Baxter Labs in the Ukraine was to release a weaponized strain of flu as Joseph Moshe claimed they would, an infection which has thus far killed thousands in the Ukraine causing the country to close its borders." Is this real or is it memorex conspiracy fodder? it needs a source. Totnesmartin (talk) 17:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I've been looking it up and found some things on it - it's primarily a talking point in chemtrail websites. I shifted it to the "claims" section and will wait further citation from the poster or I'll find it myself and reword it all appropriately. Scarlet A.pnggnostic 17:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Done. It's an interesting piece of horseshit but not worth dwelling on too much. Basically it's the result of misreading what an actual piece of research has said. Barium certainly hasn't been found to be an in vivo immunosuppressant - if it was doctors would be well aware of it because of its wide and regular use as an X-Ray contrast agent. Scarlet A.pnggnostic 20:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Iceland and chemtrails

Given that Iceland Volcano Unspellable has caused suspension of much air traffic across Europe (now returning piecemeal) - any comments by hotair/chemtrail spouters? Or (insert suitable pseudotechnogibberish here) the volcano is being used as a more effective way of spreading whatever (rather than merely polluting the atmosphere).


82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't there a similar phenomenon in the US after 9/11? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:09, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Silver? (bake one)

This has just been bronzed. Anything keeping it from silver? - David Gerard (talk) 17:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

[edit] UK government

Not as dramatic as the BoN suggests. "Cited" Guardian article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience MOD report: http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/70A71F1A-831B-4618-918E-D263384DA684/0/ZincCadmiumSulphideDispersionTrials.pdf WP on the "dangerous" chemicals sprayed on people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_cadmium_sulfide Scarlet A.pnggnostic 13:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

[edit] The German Youtube clip

The English subtitles on that clip are highly inaccurate. For example, towards the beginning the subtitles say "... manipulating our climate..." whereas the speaker clearly talks about manipulating weather radar. What is not clear from the subtitles either is that the news item is about the use of chaff by the military, not really "chemtrails" nor particularly new. RTL is a commercial broadcaster known for broadcasting low-budget films and softcore porn, not so much for accurate news reporting. --Idiot numbre 188 (talk) 10:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

There's a similar video purporting to show a Russian politician threatening to use their earthquake machines on the world. Difference is, Bertan assures me the subtitles on that one are accurate, just that he was well known for being a drunk lunatic who said that sort of thing all the time. So it seems that it's certainly not an isolated trope among conspiracy theorists to take full advantage of the language barrier by stripping videos from foreign TV of all context and presenting them as something different. It'd be interesting to track down other examples, but finding the linguists willing to check the subtitles would be slightly more difficult. ADK...I'll prove your hadron! 12:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Recently I saw a Russian video of a sun dog. Despite the fact that the leading titles described it (in Russian) as a natural phenomenon, it was rebranded as a "second sun" Nibiru/Planet X video. "Visual quote mining"? :) --ZooGuard (talk) 13:19, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
It might be useful to have a list of users who could offer their language expertise to interpret some of this stuff. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 13:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Black rays (Black Beams, etc)

The explanation of the phenomenon is incorrect. The shadow in "in the air"; the contrail is not in shadow. I will offer a better explanation in full later. — Unsigned, by: Ross Marsden / talk / contribs 01:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Anyone got any more on this? ADK...I'll wash your cob! 17:01, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Done. Scarlet A.pngnarchist 16:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

[edit] We have to use this!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2351034553517&set=o.184207844968814&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

I'll try to do something shortly.

ħumanUser talk:Human 02:18, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

You sir, are a comic genius.

[edit] In my city

In the city I live in, there is at least one "Google Chemtrails" graffiti in every district, and on some key locations you can't miss. It's fucking annoying. Like someone is forcibly shoving this idiotic nonsense into my eyes every time I take a walk, while thinking he's spreading the truth. I hate graffiti. -- DasRationalpersone Socks cat 1.JPG (Annoy me!) 12:24, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Reality check here

  • ARE* there chemtrails? Absolutely. The majority are, as in 99.999$ or better, CO2, HO2, a bit of CO and some pollutants. So, yes, STRICTLY speaking that is "true". With special aircraft, there *ARE* chemtrails that occurred. Consider the SR-71, various and sundry experimental aircraft/sub-orbital craft. Nefarious? Nope. SOME were or are classified. Not because they're trying to kill off the taxpayers (morons, get a GRIP, kill you off, the government has NO real funding). Just because the damned vehicles would blow up because of a lack of a special fuel to stabilize it. It doesn't mean the "vast conspiracy of the space aliens" or some other shit. It only needs to be reality, that that is classified to get some other taxpayer home after photographing that which "doesn't exist". Reality vs lunacy, folks. Oops, rather wasted here, more worthy of Wikipedia...  ;) Wzrd1 (talk) 02:20, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
But they pump super-oxidised carbon and dihydrogen monoxide into the atmosphere and no one is doing ANYTHING to stop it!! Scarlet A.pngd hominemModerator 00:17, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, there are those fiends who are dumping hydroxic acid into the atmosphere. Why, some even have the nerve to use the primary component of drain cleaner into the atmosphere, hydrogen hydroxide!Wzrd1 (talk) 04:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting

Why was I reverted? Do you guys know anything about Chemtrails because it doesn't seem like it! LOOK UP!! Trailer (talk) 20:26, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Been subject to any government interference lately old son? Scream!! (talk) 20:28, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
What does that have to do with anything. Look up! You can see that they are spraying. Every time they do I see fibers drifting down also. Haven't you heard of Morgallens????? You guys no nothing! Trailer (talk) 20:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Quite honestly, no. Looking it up I find it's a "delusional infestation". So? Scream!! (talk) 20:52, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict) It's "Morgellons". We even have an article.--ZooGuard (talk) 20:55, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Chemtrails are real. It is a misguided attempt to cure global-warming (which itself is a lie foisted on us by the illuminati for their lizard-masters). Seriously, this isn't doubted anymore! Trailer (talk) 20:59, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Tedious troll is tedious. WeaseloidWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 21:00, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Tedious troll is idiot Troll Scream!! (talk) 21:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Just re-reading the troll, suspect possible Poe? Scream!! (talk) 21:07, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
"Possible"; are you kidding? I guess it's true what they say about the winking smiley. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 21:09, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Oh my god you guys are loosers! I cna't believe you want even LOOK UP! and see what they are doing. Trailer (talk) 21:10, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm afraid that you really need to sound a lot weirder and post great blocks of semi-coherent text if you want people to think that you are legit. Nice try though. :-) --Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 21:15, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Also required for verisimilitude: MORE mis-spellings, you only managed 3 in that last sentence. Scream!! (talk) 21:19, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
And all capital LETTERS and bold.--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 21:26, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm not trying to be crazy? Trailer (talk) 21:30, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Mein Gott! If you're that good without trying, imagine what a little effort could do. (Didn't mention: more exclamation marks helps!!!!!!!) Scream!! (talk) 21:34, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
OK, so it is obvious RationalWiki isn't for me. No need to be a fucking dick about it. Trailer (talk) 21:36, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
If I wanna be a dick, I'll be a dick. Ain't takin' no instructions from someone infected by chemtrail fibres! Scream!! (talk) 21:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
What a lovely piece of shit you are. You are just the type of sheep they want you to be. Good luck to you but don't crying to me when the sun has been blocked out and your close to starvation. I have a well stocked emergency larder and a 'go bag'. What have you got? A shitty attitude isn't going to get you far. Trailer (talk) 21:44, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Make your mind up. Am I a dick, a sheep or a piece of shit? I know: a piece of shit shaped like a sheep's (ram's presumably) dick. When the sun's blocked out? Is that what they're doing? My word. Well, well. Who'd 'a thought it? Scream!! (talk) 21:55, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

[edit] A new guy chimes in.

CHEMTRAIL NOTE: I have been in the commercial aviation industry since 1983, and we presently hold a database of all commercial flights departing the UK. One of the tools I use occasionally is called planefinder.net, which has all ADS-B aircraft (CAA flights) on it, with the exception of FlyBe, a small operator with short haul flights, whose routes we are aware of. Planefinder gives all commercial traffic in real time on an iphone or PC.

I live in Bedford and about four days a week we have grids of solid white material coming out of planes that start in the south of the town, going east-west and then working further north during the day. We hardly get any bluie sies, even in the height of summer - cumulus clouds are of course obvious but these artificial ones begin as solid streams from 2 or 4 engine jets, spreading over a period of some hours into wispy filaments which stay in the air most of the day. By late morning the skies are already a milky, diffused white and direct sunlight cannot get through.

I first noticed these "chemtrails" about two years ago so in the last few months have used planefinder to verify that the "spray planes" are NOT CAA aircraft. I have contacts within the CAA who assure me that no civil airliners have been authorised to have modifications either to the fuel or to equipment which would spray chemicals into the exhaust of the jets themselves. They did, however, say they could not speak for the MoD.

Either way, the suspicious thing is that not one single spray plane I have spotted in the last 5 months from our offices - probably more than 100 separate occasions - has appeared on planefinder. The same reports have come from colleagues known to me in Maidstone, Putney, Glasgow, LLandudno, Slough, Dublin, Toronto, Hamilton (Ontario), Los Angeles, Milan, Alicante and even the Greek Islands.


On the hottest days of the year 2012, I happened to be in both Bedford and London, and saw vast swathes of tic-tac-toe grids overhead, when weather balloon data combined with the Appleman chart show contrails should not form at all, let alone persist all day. What I notice is that regardless of relative humidity %, temperature, apparent altitude, time of year, time of day or wind conditions, these uniquely identifiable sprays look identical. They have identical persistence, and identical dissipation rates, which is impossible for condensation, that is, to behave in the same way under any and all seasonal and temperature conditions, etc.

Very simply put, nobody can explain to me why these planes do not show up on either our database of UK flights, or on CAA radar systems. So it seems that denying their existence contradicts observed evidence, and my feedback from tour operators is that they do not like being blamed for this activity, a perception people have as most are not aware of how simple it is to check the civil or military nature of flights directly overhead at any time.

My conclusion is that chemtrails are a genuine phenomena, but nobody has explained what is being sprayed, or why. — Unsigned, by: Iain carstairs / talk / contribs (removed from article text)

He's also a Sandy Hook twister. His clog is here. SophieWilder 19:06, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
The folks over at Metabunk have already gone over it for him in excruciating detail - but like most chemmies he's not actually interested in facts.--Aloysius the Gaul (talk) 09:46, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
From that link: "For the above reasons, a few moments ago I reported you and the others who re-tweeted your call to the UK Home Office for Counter Terrorism." :D I'm very curious about the outcome...--ZooGuard (talk) 12:09, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
We may or may not ever hear any moer from that, but I know of 1 occasion where a chemmie was "dobbed in" for saying he was going to confront a QANTAS pilot at Sydney Airport - and Australian Federal Police were waiting for him - teh guy is on YT as PeeKay22 - a particularly nutty nut!--Aloysius the Gaul (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

By the way, as you have raised the issue on this page, the points I raised about Sandy Hook seem valid, and they're available for you to read on the Bunk site. Nobody has answered any of them. All we really need is for the real Nick Phelps to stand up and say, "I am the real Nick Phelps.. here is proof that I am not from Florida." And the moment he does so, everyone who has questioned this aspect will immediately be satisfied. But one thing is reasonably sure: he will never be found.— Unsigned, by: Iain carstairs / talk / contribs 17:56, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Snopes is your friend--Aloysius the Gaul (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Phelps silliness debunked on Metabunk - looks like they were listening to your whining after all! --Aloysius the Gaul (talk) 22:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

The problem you and the people at the Bunk site have is that anyone who asks questions is immediately rubber-stamped "conspiracy theorist". I don't say the shooting never happened: I simply ask questions that any normal person would do. We don't have any other source for information except the media: everything being discussed has come straight from the media. When the media gives us nonsense, we ask questions because we're interested in the truth.

People who don't ask questions - who take everything presented by the media at face value - cannot call themselves thinkers. They simply repeat what they've heard. We already know what the media has said; what we want is to know why certain questions, apparently, cannot be answered.--Iain carstairs (talk) 17:56, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

This is all very silly, especially to discuss in the USA. Clean air standards vary here, but if stuff was being sprayed into the air I think we'd pick up on it, considering that both major and minor weather stations measure contaminants and composition of the air. We might even detect it with our own senses; places in the world with fewer fuel regulations (for example, sulphur released from low-grade diesel fuel) have air that even smells different than most places in the USA. While conspiracy nuts might account for perhaps government weather facilities and a few corporate facilities being part of some mass chemical spraying coverup, how does that explain the fact that even ye tiny weather station on the hill, or in school facilities not finding anything out of the ordinary? And before ANYONE says 'well it's a special INVISIBLE TO SENSORS substance, get real; all things are combinations of molecules. You'd be better off trying to assert that there is a hidden compound in diesel exhaust that was engineered by Big Oil to do whatever than to insist that planes spray some kind of death chemical. At least that conspiracy farce comes with its own means of distribution (the highway system and the incredible amount of fuel burned by cars in the USA.) ±Knightoftldrsig.pngKnightOfTL;DRcritical thinking is the key to success! 18:22, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Putting it in petrol? Jesus Christ don't give them ideas! Scarlet A.pngmoral 13:45, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Real chemtrails

... are exuded by the Red Arrows [1]. :) 171.33.222.26 (talk) 16:58, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

That would be the last photo ;-) - David Gerard (talk) 20:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Silver? (bake two)

You know what? I think this article isn't terribly good, and has been slightly neglected, especially considering how often chemtrail claims get circulated. It wouldn't take a lot to work it up to silver status, and then gold after that. SophieWilder 14:39, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I know. CTSTDT on Facebook was basically "Chemtrail Watch" for a few months and it was bugging me to make this better. I managed a better (i.e., correct) explanation of the Black Rays eventually, but that was about it. More on Vinegar Warriors might be good... but what else can you add besides "this is fucking insane"? Scarlet A.pngsshole 16:54, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Nick stuff from the blog post version. I basically rewrote and reordered for flow. Half the cite links here are dead, I fixed them up there. C'n'P freely - David Gerard (talk) 17:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Bollocks?

Presume this is crap but here tis:


Chemtrails - The Evidence.... From a "CRANK" There is actually a lot of evidence in the world relating specifically to chemtrails and there many uses. One of the most substantial and crucial bits of evidence is directly from the MoD (Ministry of Defence) in the UK.

  • The Mod has admitted and released vital information that completely proves the use of chemtrails in the UK. The article was published by 'The Gaurdian' newspaper, which is one of the UK's most credible newspapers. The link to the article is Guardian newspaper article. The UK government report, released in 2002, provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979. Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told. While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.
  • There are over 100 patents from the USA alone, relating to technology directly linked with chemtrails and chemtrail spraying. The link for this article is List of patents.
  • Swedish Green Party leader Pernilla Hagberg - comes forard in 2012 and admits to the Swedish government being involved in the use of chemtrails. The link to this article is Swedish official admits toxic 'chemtrails' are real. This is quoted from the article "Interestingly, the United Nations (UN) and various Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation-backed groups have recently been forced to admit that such sprayings are taking place, and that the emitted particles are not normal contrails."
  • Bill Gates is actually currently funding a project, through a multi-million dollar research fund that was started by himself, to have a large balloon hovering at 80,000 feet over Fort Sumner, New Mexico, that will release sulfates into the atmosphere within the next year. This article was written in 2012. The link the the article is Bill Gates admits to chemtrails.
  • Senator Tom Harkin admits to Chemtrails as a use of 'Chaff' by military aircraft pilots. He says that chaff is spread by pilots learning how to mask planes or send false radar images. Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough to inhale. Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not harmful, the GAO (General Accounting Office) report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies are needed. A few weeks after this request, the families who had sent in the request to the senator, noticed glittering substance and a pinkish-colored powder substance on the roof of their houses. They then noticed the glittering substance on many surfaces, even the dashboard of the family car. Both substances were collected and sent to a lab for analysis. Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there:
6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia
9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride
26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver, uranium and zinc
4 molds and fungi
7 viruses
2 cancers
2 vaccines
2 sedatives
The link to this article is Senator admits to chemtrails.

Maybe I (along with millions of other people around the world) am a crank......But if being a crank means that you are opened minded, not ignorant, specific and decisive with your research and focus on facts rather than opinions then I am glad to be a crank. I would rather not believe in chemtrails, although opinion over fact doesn't prove anything. Ignorance is what the governments and mass corporations rely on. The truth might hurt and be almost unbelievable, but once upon a time only the crazy (and the cranks) believed the world was round! From the Truth_Seeker (A Crank).

User: Truth seeker00

The most credible source is the Guardian article up top, but that has very little to do with the modern chemtrail conspiracy that suggests practically all aircraft are doing it, or that there's insidious mind-control motives (to say nothing of the vinegar). The rest is a bit of a turdblossom. Seriously hokey sources mixed in with terrible misinterpretations. Not to mention a massive conflation of different ideas including chemical research, biological warfare research, geoengineering, and simply generic high altitude research. If you cast your net that wide, then sure, "chemtrails" is a real conspiracy. I work just down the road from a department that does it all the time. Scarlet A.pngpostate 21:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Al Gore

What about al gore talking about chemtrails? None dare talk about him.

Al gore blabs on chemtrails

I'd suggest reading up on global dimming and the effects of not flying airplanes for a period of time after 9/11 in the US (Europe was still flying them). The NOVA program Dimming The Sun went into this a bit. More about this in the contrail effect. The basic idea is to change the fuel/air ratio to make more contrails, increasing the albedo of the atmosphere and reducing the amount of light warming the planet. From a theoretical standpoint, it is quite interesting - especially with the 9/11 grounding in that this is something that reacts very quickly - both on and off. Increasing the albedo by day and decreasing by night (shoot, even stoping redeye flights might have a noticeable effect). But yea... trying to talk about albedo to someone who thinks that the government is spraying chemicals gets you nowhere. --Shagie (talk) 00:38, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Solar Radiation Management

A section could be included about Cloud Seeding and Solar Radiation Management, which are real instances when the cloud cover is manipulated intentionally. The Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) warns that, despite global side effects and long-term consequences, geoengineering techniques involving solar radiation management (SRM) should be maintained:"If SRM were terminated for any reason, there is high confidence that global surface temperatures would rise very rapidly to values consistent with the greenhouse gas forcing." http://nsnbc.me/2013/11/12/ipcc-warns-not-to-stop-chemtrails-aka-solar-radiation-management/ 68.58.192.71 (talk) 00:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC) (Rakovsky)

This article references a blog post and both are dubious about their claims. But I've read some of it and it reads like "Hey! Let's stop doing stuff about global warming so the world temperature will rise and the climate of the world will be in turmoil." Zero (talk) 08:08, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I had a suspicion that the IPCC quote was an argument against SRM, and I was right. The IPCC document discusses the idea of SRM, and mentions possible adverse consequences, one of which is that SRM would need to be constantly maintained, otherwise if it stopped then the Earth would start to heat up again.
NSNBC, being the crank website it is, had quote-mined the IPCC report and pretended it was admitting that SRM was taking place. SRM is not taking place, and the IPCC document does not claim it is. Frederick♠♣♥♦ 04:41, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
So, your belief is that SRM and geo-engineering proposals are just theoretical, and that the haze in the atmosphere all over the world which has developed over the last 15 years, and accelerated in the last 5 years, is just coincidence? That's interesting. very rational indeed. Seriously though, are you in your 20's? Younger? Do none of you skeptics remember what real clouds look like, and what the sky looked like before the spraying? That is what is terrifying to me...that the younger generation is not going to know the difference, so they will all just accept what't being perpetrated as "normal". Now, when a baby points up at the sky, and a mother says "cloud!", that's all the baby is ever going to know (and one day, someone is going to try to convince that grown-up child that that "cloud" up there is dangerous, and they will just seem like some deranged lunatic because everyone knows clouds are safe!). And as a scientist, I can say with confidence that SRM isn't protecting us from radiation (which is probably how it was sold to congress and parliments around the world, as critical research to prevent catastrophe from a deadly massive solar-flare); it is creating a greenhouse canopy to warm the earth and manipulate weather. Perhaps that's why the climate change agenda is pushed so heavily right now--they have to explain why the earth is heating up, and need to blame it on carbon (oh, and conveniently, tax carbon emissions to pay for the ongoing spraying and military research). I mean, if you're a chemtrail denier, does that mean you've simply lost any ability to connect the dots? When a military funding bill is drafted in congress which specifically calls out that "none of these funds shall be appropriated for weather manipulation research", and when the military pushes back saying "NO! we absolutely have determined that the greatest threat to our country over the next century is climate change, you need to fund our weather research!", don't you think that maybe something odd is going on? Artificial clouds in the sky; clouds that dissipate but never vannish completely; strange grid-like spraying over metropolitan areas; 'chem-trail' sunsets observed almost nightly in the west, references in congress and by the military to weather research programs; increasing frequency of weather anomolies all over the country: I don't see how anyone can choose to see all that in a hat and say "nah, just coincidence".— Unsigned, by: 170.97.167.69 / talk / contribs 21:12, 5 August 2014
How about... we just say... [citation needed] Ikanreed (talk) 20:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
All of the citations listed in the earlier comments aren't reliable enough for you? Well, you could just read the ever reliable news... NYTIMES.com article in May > "The accelerating rate of climate change poses a severe risk to national security and acts as a catalyst for global political conflict...[a]leading government-funded military research organization concluded."
Or, perhaps you trust the government:
- Quadrenial Defense Review from the Pentagon http://www.defense.gov/pubs/2014_Quadrennial_Defense_Review.pdf {disusses link between globabl warming and terrorism)
- CNA's 2007 report http://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/National%20Security%20and%20the%20Threat%20of%20Climate%20Change%20-%20Print.pdf(describes climate change as a 'threat multiplier' leading to global disruption and a 'catalyst for conflict'.)
-Excerpt of ammendment to the National Defense Authorization bill in May, "None of the funds authorized to be appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to implement the U.S. Global Change Research Program National Climate Assessment, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's Fifth Assessment Report, the United Nation's Agenda 21 sustainable development plan, or the May 2013 Technical Update of the Social Cost of Carbon for Regulatory Impact Analysis Under Executive Order 12866." -- to which the military responded with criticism, pointing to the aforementioned reports for support. A reasoning mind has to question 'why did they feel the need to specifically tell the military not to spend it on these things?'. I mean, there was no mention of them not being able to use the funds to buy candy laced with LSD, right? so how did they determine what limitations to include in the ammendment and what to leave out? Hmmm. Oh yeah, maybe that was pertinent because the are ALREADY DOING IT.
The thing is, nobody is ever going to come out and TELL you why they are doing something like this. You won't find a publically accessible pentagon report that says, "we are spraying you to death with chemicals" or "we are manufacturing our own global warming". If you refuse to think critically and form logical connections based on historical and human insight, then no amount of citation or references is going to ever have an impact on your views. but the breadcrumbs are there. 'They' do, in this political world, need to cover their asses; and so you will find these little clues and their reports and these ammendments, which all will later be used to justify actions and indemnify those responsible. Then again, i work for the government...so perhaps the average civilian simply doesn't have the right frame of reference to understand how people operate in this realm. — Unsigned, by: 170.97.167.69 / talk / contribs 12:56, 6 August 2014‎ (UTC)
Hey, look, you're crazy and don't know it. Fun. Ikanreed (talk) 13:49, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Love the "as a scientist" bit! Scream!! (talk) 15:38, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
He's totally a scientist, he owns a lab coat. Ikanreed (talk) 15:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

[edit] "has links to"

The "Follow The Money" section may be useful, but "has links to" is a conspiracist weasel term unless you specify what the links are - David Gerard (talk) 08:29, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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