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The huge long debate of 2009

[edit] Raised a Christian Scientist - page isn't too bad, really

I was raised a Christian Scientist (although I am no longer one). The page itself isn't too bad - except for a couple things.

Stating 'followers of Christian Science do not believe in Science' is not true. People can believe in two contradictory things. This makes them illogical - it does not make them NOT believe in one or the other.

I do not believe 'Science' was tacked on to add credibility. Or, rather, it would be attributed better to a poor understanding of what Science IS than simple conspiracy theory. Looking at a lot of scientific experiments from that time period... well, it was a little wacky. Science as we know it today was not uniformly practiced or comprehended. Our current understanding of Science most certainly does not apply to C.S.

The voices she heard? If you are taking those from her own history, which is the only account we have, she stated someone else with her ALSO heard the 'call'. Rather than a Spiritual or mental cause, it could simply have been a noise both people heard and misinterpreted. It would also be unlikely for Schizophrenia to present at that stage in her life (it usually appears around the age of 20, not 8). Depending on what kind of schizophrenia you suggest she may have had - one kind would have rendered her unlikely to produce any written material. We can probably dismiss this form of Schizophrenia (I believe its catatonic?) Paranoid Schizophrenia would be more appropriate. Although I do not necessarily believe she had P.S. you might want to look into this - it might bolster your claims in other ways.

While you state that calling Brewsters mother not a Christian Scientist goes to the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy (above) - this fallacy is really based on whom we consider to be most capable of describing their own associations. By her own definition, she WAS a Christian Scientist - therefore its not incorrect to call her one. Thus I concede that stating she 'wasn't a real Christian Scientist' is as you said 'No True Scotsman'. However, you use the one example to paint a portrait of an entire group - as though that group endorsed such behavior. THAT is a fallacy of 'sweeping generalizations'. Yes, we DO see this all over, all of the time, but that doesn't make it a logical argument. You cannot use one persons behavior as an example of an entire group, in large part because you have no indication of whether that one person is a representative sample (it's not scientific).

The Griffins retort to the Christian Scientists weren't brilliant - they don't understand the premise of Christian Science. They're a fine retort to other beliefs who rely on prayer - but Christian Science specifically states that matter is not real. Thus Penicillin CAN'T be an answer to a prayer because then matter would be fixing matter (and God working through matter is nonsensical in C.S.). To be more precise - Christian Scientists don't pray for cures, only to understand that cures were never needed (the sickness never existed).

Lastly - as points that aren't quite correct- Christian Science really hasn't gathered a sizable following. I worked for one summer at the Mother Church. Christian Science DID have a big following but its largely fallen out of vogue. Half of what I did was help input data on churches closing and consolidating.

On other points - my mother never kept me from medical care (my father was not a Christian Scientist). She always said 'It couldn't possibly hurt to take medicine any more than it would hurt not to'. Though I now, as I stated above, am not Christian Scientist, I always appreciated this view. A lot of C.S. people will do all of the normal medical things for their kids simply because it makes other people happy/more comfortable. I rather think all C.S. should do this because it doesn't actually conflict with their belief system. If they aren't doing it to be cured, but merely to be loving - why not?

In any case, pardon the long post, but there was much to respond to :)

-Kate

Cheers for that. I really need to read up on this stuff again. Scarlet A.pngpatheticModerator 01:19, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
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