Talk:Crusades

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Crusades could use some help. Please research the article's assertions. Whatever is credible should be sourced, and what is not should be removed.

We say: They might have been considered a response to Islam's four hundred years of unbridled expansion, had they been aimed at, for example, the conquered Christian lands in Spain,

Actually the crusades and the reconquista eventually got sort of mixed up. So we'll need to correct/integrate that somehow.--BobNot Jim 17:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

This entire article seems kinda [citation needed]. I'd love to cite this article to people, but there is nothing to back it up. Majintahu (talk) 05:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

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Should it be the one for Christianity or the one for Islam? I feel templat:religion is too general. What is the relevant policy here? John Childermass (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I think the relevant policy is "do you know more about it? change it". I stuck it in xianity cause that's all i know it of. if it's better in islam, then go for it. Pink mowse.pngGodotThe Peyote God awaits 00:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Just please, for the love of Pete, don't randomise it. ADK...I'll bake your hero! 00:43, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Crusaders vs Mujihadeen

Should anyone point out that effectively, Jihad and Crusades are the same thing? CorruptUser (talk) 17:57, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Please do. FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ﹐ Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 18:58, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Please don't. That's a really awkward comparison that 1. totally overlooks the myriad of meanings that the word "jihad" has and 2. blurs important cultural and historical contexts. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Please don't, you should read up on the concept of jihad. It's not as clear cut as you may think (Tell Me What To Think) and (I'll tell you what to feel) 19:23, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Well, "offensive-Jihad", the Qutbist philosophy of the "CONVERT OR DIE!" crap that everyone outside of Islam associates with "Jihad" is effectively the same damned philosophy from the Crusades. Quite a bit of irony in that. CorruptUser (talk) 19:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't see why it would be relevant to mention this in the article, even though there are some similarities to our Western image of jihad and the Crusades. A few religious nutters in the Modern Era can't be compared to these Medieval events without a lot of shoehorning and wishful thinking, nor do I think that their philosphy is 'effectively the same'. The differences might seem small to us, but I don't think Crusaders or Qutbists would agree (Tell Me What To Think) and (I'll tell you what to feel) 19:37, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
1) "Jihad of the Sword" predates Qutbism and is the same thing. Waging wars against the "enemies of Allah" is little different than against the "enemies of Christ".
2) "Crusade" also sometimes refers to things like "Moral Crusades" against Rock'n'Roll or gay rights, and trying to spread Christianity, which are effectively "Jihad of the Hand" and "Jihad of the Tongue" respectively
3) Many Salafis refer to all Westerners in the Mid-East as "Crusaders", when they are effectively calling them the same thing as the Mujihadeen that they venerate.
4) Words have power. Lots of it. Use this power. Refer to the Islamic terrorists as Crusaders, and perhaps yourselves as the Mujihadeen; let people start questioning what the real difference is between the guy trying to murder people for religion and the guy trying to murder people for religion. In Afghanistan, you should never refer to the Taliban as "Mujihadeen"; "Mujihadeen" is a good thing, every kid wants to join the guys struggling for a cause. You refer to them as "Mufsidun" (evil-doers), because few kids want to join up with the bad guys. CorruptUser (talk) 19:49, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not saying they are dissimilar, I'm saying it's not 'effectively the same thing', you can't just go about declaring that. I'm not sure what your points 2, 3 and 4 have to with the relevance of including that Jihad and Crusades are the same. If you really can't hold yourself, add a link to Jihad of the Sword at the bottom of the artice. (Tell Me What To Think) and (I'll tell you what to feel) 19:58, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
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