Talk:Freeman on the land
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[edit] Other countries
In Germany, there is a similar movement called "Reichsbuergerbewegung" or "Kommissarische Reichsregierung (KRR)". See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kommissarische_Reichsregierung for details. Basically, their belief is that the Deutsches Reich did not cease to exist after WW II, being followed by the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic (being themselfs unified in 1990). Rather, the FRG is just a LLC which illegaly administers the property of the Reich. The "Reichsregierung" sees itself as the legal government of the Deutsches Reich, thus not being subject to the laws of the FRG. For a fee, they issue pseudoofficial documents such as building permits, driving licences which of course don't hold before FRG courts. Furthermore, they refuse to pay taxes. As is the nature of such crank organisations, they have split to near nothingness, declaring the other existing KRRs as illegal in "their" law, expelling each other from the Deutsches Reich and so on. Some of them are hilariously funny, some are dangerous because of their affliction with Neo Nazis and such.
(sorry for the bad English, some of you might have guessed until now that I am from Germany and English is not my primary language). — Unsigned, by: 88.66.182.135 / talk / contribs
- Let me try to interpret this. You are saying that KRR's believe that the government after WWII is illegitimate and more like a corporation, therefore has no real power or authority over them, while the previous government is still the real authority. Am I right? (Also, your English is pretty good. Better than what passes for average in the US.) Zero (talk) 18:36, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
- We actually have an article -- Provisional Imperial Government. They are definitely modestly amusing. EVDebs (talk) 18:49, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
- The best example is probably Mario Heinz Kiesel, a.k.a. "Mario from the family Romanowski". Among his many YouTube videos about topics like HAARP, Chemtrails, alternative medicine and Nazis (who are the good guys) returning from their secret bases in Antarctica and on the dark side of the Moon, he also mentions pretty much everything on this page. He insists to be a "natural and free person", not lost at sea according to maritime law, and doesn't consent to a contract with the "Federal Republic of Germany Financial Agency LLC", which everyone who has been issued a German identity card is supposedly an employee of (he "proves" this by mis-interpreting the German term "Personalausweis", which could conceivably mean "personnel identification" instead of "personal identification"). 78.49.74.140 (talk) 16:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
[edit] I Almost Didn't Believe They Were Real.
This one left its footprints and scat right on the porch. Godless11B's gonna die the way he lived. 19:27, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
[edit] External links getting a bit length
We're not as rabid as Wikipedia about external l~/Downloads/disabled\ mods/inks. But this section is getting a bit lengthy. Can any of these reasonably be digested into the article? - David Gerard (talk) 09:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
- Meads vs meads link might be worth integrating into the main body as it is a good thorough analysis of this phenomena. Marasmusine (talk) 17:18, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- That's a reference (which is what I meant by "digest"), I was thinking of the stuff in the "External links" section - David Gerard (talk) 18:23, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
[edit] Fictional Roots
It seems to me to be a Discordian joke that has got out of hand. It is based on misunderstanding real fiction not just a misunderstanding of the Law. The main protagonist of the Illuminatus! novels is called 'Freeman Hagbard Celine' and is the first confirmable use of the term I can find in this context. In the novels though Celine lives in a submarine in international waters in order to live by 'the law of the sea' out of the reach of governments, nothing to do with applying Maritime Law to any other type of Law and importantly it is stressed several times that he lives that way BECAUSE governmental laws are backed by force of arms and cannot be gotten around not in spite of them. - — Unsigned, by: 188.29.164.103 / talk / contribs 17:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
So more to the story. At one time in America, pre-1854, people were sovereigns. What this meant was that they were not 'citizens', yet. Citizenship brought about a combined understanding that you were and can be protected by the gov't of the place you are from, whether born there or whatever. People that read sections of history as if they are concluding something, wind up corrulating instead. It is true that anyone could denounce there citizenship publicly, meaning in a court that hears those cases, usually federal court. At that moment that person would become sovereign unto themselves. But, what idiot would do that? You will lose protection, not have access to services, and not even be able to buy beer. So the idea of 'freemen' HAS existed, but for the betterment of the people, we chose to become as one nation. This is all found through studying the history of citizebship. If you think that that is complicated, look up how laws work with Native Americans, thas when all this stuff gets even stranger. (DeanCorso11) — Unsigned, by: DeanCorso11 / talk / contribs 20:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
[edit] We've got a group of them
The Bearwood and Merley Organic Free Energy Community. Seem to be buying into FOTL woo judging by their facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=867113626665118&id=863566677019813