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Copied from [1] with permission from the author. Typhoon (talk) 15:41, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

My vote is to fact-check it, add any omitted events, and add it to the main article at the bottom. 32℉uzzy, 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 16:30, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Any way to log the permission? Also, do they realize that this effectively licenses this under the same CC-BY-SA license as RW, with everything that this implies?--ZooGuard (talk) 14:41, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Done. The following note was added at the top of the linked source above: "Feel free to repost this timeline under CC-BY-SA or a similar license." Typhoon (talk) 20:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] As is?

It currently doesn't have any 'leave it as-is' disclaimer, so I'm going to go in and fix and typos and so forth. If the intention is to leave it untouched, revert them and maybe add that disclaimer. Queexchthonic murmurings 17:03, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Ehmergerd, much SJW bias and shitz.

Seems alright, and even conforms to my view of it: Everybody involved is a fucking cretin.--Madman (talk) 13:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)The Madman

Including the guy who went from pretending to be "somebody who doesn't give a shit" to deleting the page, another user's talk page and blocking them screaming "Shillgate" within hours?--ZooGuard (talk) 14:44, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Chill, ZooGuard. Statements of this sort tend to stand pretty well on their own. Raising objections about MadmanJohnson's character that take a bit of interpretation and reading to get just makes things get ad hominemish faster. Ikanreed (talk) 14:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm chill. I just find MJ's conduct during the whole affair amusing.--ZooGuard (talk) 15:09, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Totally fair. I'll restrain my urge to restrain the imagined urges of others. Ikanreed (talk) 15:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
In all truth, I was planning to utilize the Streisand effect to draw in idiots to the wiki. --Madman (talk) 23:33, 27 January 2015 (UTC)The Madman
*doubt* 32℉uzzy, 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 02:49, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Norman's edit

Editors invited you to make the changes you wanted. This is good. Wikis are supposed to be contentious, but phrasing things in passive voice to deflect blame from those who actually did things isn't going to improve the article.

There's a reason every professional style guide recommends avoiding passive voice. It places ambiguity and uncertainty into places where it does not belong. It's associated with an unwillingness to attribute actions to people and people almost always use it with respect to negative actions. You can certainly try again, but that was a bad edit. Ikanreed (talk) 16:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

What did he mean by "almost simultaneously"? Is this some GG conspiracy theory? Norman, cease whitewashing the article with rumours. Typhoon (talk) 16:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't know what he meant, but it didn't matter much to me either. If his phrasing is going to betray a biased intent to disguise meaning, it's not good material to me. I'm going to stop pressing him about when he just starts just getting the facts wrong instead of being purposefully misleading. Ikanreed (talk) 16:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Ikanreed, I responded to you on my talk page. I didn't disguise any meaning. I accurately described Brennans behavior and simply left the act of subsuming this description under the definition of doxxing to the reader, because it wasn't a clear-cut case of doxxing due to doxxing usually entailing the compilation of dossiers and not just their publication. And Typhoon, great job making the Jan. 16 entry talk about "members of stuff" again. --Norman (talk) 17:21, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Fear not, the evil spelling error was taken care of! Also, I'm sure the victims of GG's harassment will appreciate your explanation of the proper use of the word "doxxing". Typhoon (talk) 17:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure that the victims of Anti-GG harassment will appreciate it, too. Either way, I couldn't care less. Contrary to what people these days seem to believe, being a victim does not entitle you to change the definition of terms to your liking. --Norman (talk) 20:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
What anti-GG harassment? 32℉uzzy, 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 02:50, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
This one, or that one, for starters. The latter decided against attributing her doxxing to Anti-GG, to be fair, because she doesn't believe in guilt by association. Make of that whatever you want. --Norman (talk) 06:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
So your proof is a tumblr page that seems to consider any negative tweet about GG to be "harrasment" and lizzyf620's letter that actually refuses to blame this "anti-gg" for the doxxing? Typhoon (talk) 10:18, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, that tumblr page is waaaaay too sensitive to jumping to conclusions and critical views. But there are valid examples in there if you dig (Par exemple, this one). For the most part, they're largely either lone wolf stuff or a few people bandied around a particular person, I believe. Noir LeSable (talk) 17:20, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Exactly. A lot of stuff that no one cares about, but also some very valid examples. Now, to get to Liz F: Yes, she doesn't blame Anti-GG, because she doesn't believe in guilt by association. Unlike her, however, RationalWiki - or at least the contentmakers of the GG-related articles - didn't go out of its/their way to explain that there's no such thing as guilt by association, so it's not like it/they shares this sentiment. --Norman (talk) 22:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
You aren't aware of some of the anti-GG retaliatory stuff happening, FCP? The amount of crap being done by the GG crowd pretty much eclipses the stuff going the other way, but that doesn't mean people who are being too self-righteous about anti-GG aren't innocent of doxxing and harassment either. It's been disappointing to see some people stoop to that level, honestly. Noir LeSable (talk) 06:53, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Reminder that "anti-GG" is a term invented by GG to describe anyone who disagrees with them as part of a unified pro-corruption crowd. There is no "anti-GG". There are, however, many people who find GG's methods of doxxing and harassment to be disgusting and are criticising it for that. Typhoon (talk) 10:23, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Ok? I didn't claim that there was some monolithic "pro-corruption" force determined to harass anyone who says anything remotely positive about GG, just that there are people or groups that take the "Justice" bit of Social Justice too seriously. What else am I supposed to call people who don't like Gamergate/Gamerghazi but resort to underhanded tactics as a response? Noir LeSable (talk) 17:20, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
There is no Anti-GG, Eh? Are you and Boreman willing to admit, by said logic, one cannot be against Dipshitgate? Would that make you a harasser who most likely has guns in his mom's Prius and is plotting to assassinate female game developers by jumping off buildings wearing a cape made of cannabis? Or are we all brains in a jar? Are all odd numbers prime? Will this farce ever shut the hell up so I can get back to Doom modding?--Madman (talk) 09:26, 1 February 2015 (UTC)The Madman
It is true that you are forced at gunpoint to edit here - David Gerard (talk) 10:56, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

[edit] October 19: Confirmed false-flag operation

Here's the summary: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/4/4b/Newsagal0.png Feel free to look at the individual tweets too, I don't feel like linking them. To cut a long story short (because I know Ryulong doesn't read anything longer than a few lines): @TheRat tries to drive Chloe Sagal to commit suicide while pretending to be a follower of #GamerGate. Later confirms that he's actually Anti-GamerGate. The end. --Norman (talk) 11:12, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh man, a patented GG infographic with arrows hosted on Encyclopedia Dramatica. The same place that tries to drive many people to commit suicide (including Chloe). How ethical of you. Anyway who's @TheRat? Apart of being a member of the evil anti-GG that in fact doesn't exist and was created as a term by GG to imply that anyone who is disgusted or horrified of gators doxing and harassing people is part of an evil hypocritical group. Typhoon (talk) 16:59, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
I still don't understand. This is what I see: (A) @TheGhostRat encourages suicide. Asshole. (B) @TheGhostRat calls 8chan stupid, gullible, and MRA. (C) @RuffledSympathy says Gamergate is stupid. Where in the image does @TheGhostRat come out as anti-GG? And how is one user being an asshole and using #GamerGate even close to a "false-flag operation"? Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 17:08, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
What does this at all have to do with Gamergate as a whole? Probably nothing at all as usual. Norman, please find better shit next time, particularly shit that isn't a Gamergate manufactured conspiracy. One asshole who is claimed to have faked sympathy with Gamergate while also happening to join in in the harassment of one of Gamergate's many targets is not a false flag. That requires extensive planning and the obvious attempt at manufacturing controversy, like the one time where people found posts on 8chan where they planned a false flag dox event (fake information but a real name of one person in Gamergate who decided to take the fall for the others) in order to say that they were totally being harassed too, guys.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:58, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Gloating about "dumbfounding" GamerGate while mentioning Sarah Butts? Nah, sure, that's not an admission of guilt at all! And Ryulong, please, stop it. The entire anti-GamerGate movement would be better off if you didn't shitpost all the time. It's people like you who prevent a real discourse from happening. --Norman (talk) 23:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
One thing I forgot: What exactly, Ryulong, has Brennan's article about eugenics to do with GamerGate? I'll tell you what: Jackshit, but you still want to keep it because it portrays GamerGate in a bad light. Isn't that so, Ryu? --Norman (talk) 23:12, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Norman, everyone agrees that assholes exist on the anti-GG side. But GG assholes vastly outnumber anti-GG assholes, and when GG assholes do their assholery, they often dox or stalk or threaten or set out to actively and significantly harm their target; this anti-GG trolling is terrible, but not violent-rape-threat terrible. Also, I'm still confused as to why @RuffledSympathy is there. FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 23:13, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
It has to do with Gamergate because Brennan is intrinsically part of Gamergate. He is a public figure who actively revels in Gamergate and uses it to his own ends. Whoever this @TheGhostRat is is a non-entity that no one has ever heard of other than Gators like yourself trying to find the smallest possible way to paint "anti-GG" as evil and therefore justify the actions of the legion. Also how is this shitposting? I'm merely telling you how your logic is utter shit.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:41, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
You know who's not a non-entity? Anita Sarkeesian. Yet this site goes out of its way to avoid discussion about her claims, unless they are directly related to GamerGate. Why is everything Brennan says or does important, but not everything Sarkeesian says or does, despite her being even more high-profile than Brennan? --Norman (talk) 00:00, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
No, RationalWiki covered Anita Sarkeesian long before Gamergate and really all that exists on her on the website concerns thunderf00t's hamfisted attempts at debunking feminism and her "critics'" various arguments about how she is wrong. I honestly don't know what else you expect to be covered about her other than all the hate that she has received as a result of the 4chan MRA manbaby demographic. Meanwhile, there's plenty about what people think she is claiming. Meanwhile, one of Gamergate's head honchos writing an article in favor of eugenics for a white supremacist website seems somewhat important to cover.
Now perhaps you can answer a question for me. What ever happened to the "4chan is not your personal army" mantra? Because all you idiots have done since last year is be the personal army of one loser after another. First it was Eron Gjoni. Then it was Rogue Star. Then it was Milo and CH Sommers. Throw in Davis Aurini, Jordan Owen, Alexander Macris, James Desborough, and whoever else I can't remember in there somewhere. Now it's Mark "$3M Bus" Kern. None of these people give a shit about "ethics in video game journalism". They want to use you fucks to take revenge on the people they believe have slighted them.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:06, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
"You fucks". How eloquent. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth, too? --Norman (talk) 01:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Nice deflection there.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:04, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, call it whatever you want. I don't feel like debating someone who can't even invoke the ad hominem-fallacy without breaking a limb. --Norman (talk) 01:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Good, so we're done with this then. No "false flag" conspiracy theory shit.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:17, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Who said we're done? Oh, yes, you do. Not me. What did I tell you about how much I respect your opinion? --Norman (talk) 01:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Typhoon, FuzzyCatPotato, and myself both believe that your proposed addition is of no merit to this page. This is what we call a "consensus".—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:22, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Then you, Typhoon and FuzzyCatPotato are wrong. I couldn't care less about your consensus, really. --Norman (talk) 01:27, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't oppose this addition. Add it in, with commentary explaining how GG blew it out of proportion and how GG is vastly worse. FuzzyCatTomato (talk/stalk) 01:33, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if it's truly blown out of proportion. But it certainly has nothing to do with ethics in video game journalism so maybe you're right that it has a place in the timeline expressly for that reason.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:39, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Sarkeesian Effect breakup and makeup?

This was really quite hilarious. There's the best refs I could find in the relevant para in Davis Aurini - David Gerard (talk) 19:10, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I forgot all about this in the prepared sock furor.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 22:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] R. Dawkins

The entry under March 2015 indicates that Richard Dawkins is indignant about being blocked. As he has stated, his issue is not with his being blocked/ignored/whatall, but with being publicly labeled as, among other things, a rape apologist and a racist (here). That such statements, if shown false (and a couple other conditions), would be a cause of action (libel) as claimed is noteworthy, but at any rate, misquoting the man is not the correct way to write an article here. I would just change this myself, but I feel that in this case the cautious course of action might be in order. PacWalker 04:57, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

LOL, at Dawkins complaining about "libel". I'll just leave this here Typhoon (talk) 08:29, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Trying to get me to dislike him more might implicate one of Zeno's paradoces. Still, describing bull as differentr bull is not exactly what we try to do here. 104.5.9.13 (talk) 18:42, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
^I claim responsibility for this BoN post; was on phone and forgot to sign in, despite ceiling cat. PacWalker 18:56, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Which is fine. The main point of public figure opinion-havers is to be disagreed with and disliked. That's the secret to making 24 hour news networks profitable, BTW. God only knows the entirely justified hate I'd draw if I somehow managed to become a professional opinion-haver. But... free speech hypocrites are the worst. I detest them. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 19:03, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
{{sofixit}}—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:15, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Willingness to go to a real court is not a powerful criterion - David Gerard (talk) 23:32, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] April 3 - Randi Harper, author of ggautoblocker, undergoes attempted Swatting

Note- the article is locked so I cannot post this there. Id appreciate any suggestions for improvements, formatting advice, reference advice, .... Thanks.

On April 3, Randi Harper, author of ggautoblocker, posted that she had been Swatted. She claimed the police visit was with weapons holstered because she had filed a report earlier in the year alerting them to the probability of her being swatted.[1]

reddit's KotakuInAction[2], the Ralph Retort[3][4], Encyclopedia Dramatica[5], 8chan, [6] and Ars Technica Forums, [7] each contained numerous comments claiming she had faked the swatting, or claiming that she had falsified the police report documents she posted.

Game Politics later published an article confirming the police visit with the Oakland, California police department. [8]

— Unsigned, by: ToshiroYoshiaki / talk / contribs

References
  1. Tales from the Trenches: I was SWATed, Randi.IO (personal blog of Randi Harper), Apr 3 2015, retrieved Apr 15 2015 from blog.randi.io
  2. Randi Harper has some Explaining to do about her alleged swatting, reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction, discussion thread, April 3 2015, retrieved April 15 2015 from reddit.com
  3. Did Big Randi Harper Fake a Swatting? (Update), author username THERALPH, April 3 2015, retrieved April 15 2015 from theralphretort.com
  4. Randi Harper "Swatting" Update author username THERALPH, April 3 2015, retrieved April 15 2015 from theralphretort.com
  5. Randi Harper, article on Encyclopedia Dramatica, author unknown, retrieved April 15 2015 from encyclopediadramatica.se
  6. randi harper swatted by her own people, 8chan forum gamergatehq, discussion thread, April 3-11, 2015, retrieved April 15 2015 from 8ch.net
  7. randi harper (freebsdgirl) swatted Ars Technica Open Forums, discussion thread, April 4-5 2015, retreived April 15 2015 from arstechnica.com
  8. 'GGautoblocker' creator and 'Online Abuse Prevention Initiative' founder targeted by swatting attempt, James Fudge, April 6, 2015, retrieved April 15 2015 from gamepolitics.com
We're not citing KiA, Ralph, ED, or 8chan.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:47, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I think we can call GamePolitics RS enough to write something about this though. Zero (talk - contributions) 06:29, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Her blog is fine and dandy.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 17:20, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
If you say "board X contained messages saying YZ" then its kind of hard to prove that it happened unless you cite either the board you are talking about or an archive of it. ToshiroYoshiaki (talk) 22:25, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Harper's blog is being used to cite the fact that she says someone tried to call the swat team in on her. The information is included and we don't really need anything beyond that. Why do you keep bringing this back?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 22:38, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Early April - Patreon closes Encyclopedia Dramatica's account

In early April, Patreon closed the account of Encyclopedia Dramatica (ED), a wiki that included numerous articles on public internet figures, including some antiGamerGate individuals[1][2], and listed as "approved" by gamergate.me[3]. Patreon's website indicated the account was removed "for not complying with Patreon Community Guidelines"[4][5] — Unsigned, by: ToshiroYoshiaki / talk / contribs

References
  1. Feminist Frequency, ED wiki article, unknown authors, retrieved April 15 2015 from encyclopediadramatica.se
  2. Randi Harper, ED wiki article, unknown authors, retrieved April 15 2015 from encyclopediadramatica.se
  3. Approved, page on gamergate.me, retrieved April 15 2015 from gamergate.me, author unknown
  4. Joseph Evers is creating Encyclopedia Dramatica, Patreon fundraising page, April 1 2015, retrieved from archive.org on April 15 2015
  5. This page has been removed, Patreon.com error message, redirected from https://www.patreon.com/encyclopediadramatica as retrieved on April 15 2015
ED is its own thing though.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:44, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] GaymerX

Isn't on the timeline? Narky SawtoothNarky.png (Nyar~) 06:19, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

This list was originally cribbed from /r/GamerGhazi and maybe they didn't have it. I can't remember what happened with them though.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
I was about to say "It was very recent," but it turns out that it goes all the way back to December. It was the usual "accidental ambiguous tweet" business, and GG was mad that they decided to clarify. They kept saying that GaymerX needed them to protect the con from "SJW bullies." The abuse from GG led to them employing a block-bot and officially denouncing Gamergate. Intel began supporting them in March, which led to fits being thrown. There was a resurgence in GG-rage around the time of SMBC's monocle funding, which is actually related. Narky SawtoothNarky.png (Nyar~) 08:58, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
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