Talk:Globalization

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Nice edit. Thanks. Researcher 20:23, 29 September 2008 (EDT) Addition: And don't worry about it taking a million edits...mine do too. Researcher 20:38, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

HEY--good to see you again. Thanks...and thanks. PFoster 20:41, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. I'm currently up to my eyeballs in school work that I should be doing, but damn it, this is more fun (and I can do it while chatting and doing school work, etc.) Researcher 20:43, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey! Since when is NPOV appropriate here? I thought we had our own POV here...what was it called again? Researcher 21:12, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Your POV and my POV are obviously polar opposites on this issue. Secret Squirrel 21:13, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
I was actually making a joke about the SPOV(?) that "governs" here. (Or maybe it was sNarky Point of View, I don't remember exactly.) And actually, of interest, while I do worry about Chinese imports, none of the baby formula wound up in this country, and it was McDonald's of all companies that began the push to stop rainforest destruction for the creation of hamburgers. They worked together with Greenpeace on it. Researcher 21:14, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
Well then we can have my SPOV and your SPOV together in the same article... ;) last point, debatable, I really doubt McDonalds initiated any change on the beef/rainforest issue except for outside pressure on them. They "worked together" with Greenpeace only 'cuz Greenpeace had them pwned. Secret Squirrel 21:19, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
Actually, no...the head of McDonald's is the one who called in Greenpeace, and then began lobbying their competitors to do the same. (After making changes themselves.) Researcher 21:35, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

[edit] "Closed factories in the Rust Belt that were horribly inefficient anyway."

Inefficiency is a good thing, not a bad thing. "Efficiency" means more output for less pay, which means cheap labor, which (according to my man Jack London) means scabbing. "Horribly inefficient" is an anti-union buzzword for "unionized". Just sayin', and I'm not making snark here either. Secret Squirrel 21:45, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Actually, there is a long line of economic data that shows greater productivity leads to higher wages. Lower productivity means lower wages and higher prices down the line on everything you buy, including for the workers themselves. Researcher 21:50, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
Yes, the Cato Institute says this. So do John Stossel, Virginia Postrel, Milton Friedman, and Julian Simon. And a family with one wage earner in an entry level job used to be able to afford home ownership 40 years ago, and now they can barely afford to rent with both adults working. I don't buy it. Secret Squirrel 21:56, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
But at least a (made in China) TV costs $295 at (non-union, no benefits) Wal-Mart, which is the same as a (union-made in the USA) TV cost (at the unionized department store) 40 years ago! Glad to see we have our priorities straight. Secret Squirrel 21:57, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
As the housing market collapses, and the ARMs reset, everyone who didn't get a fixed rate mortgage they could afford is moving into rental properties, so with the law of supply and demand you get an inversion, with rents higher than mortgages.Francine 22:00, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
Considering inflation, that's actually a price cut. In fact, the only thing not inflating right now are those kinds of produced goods. Don't get me wrong, the Bush administration policies have been disastrous, but under the Clinton years (with the same kind of pro-globalization policies) we saw a tremendous increase in wealth among all levels, not just the super-wealthy. (I notice you didn't mention the fact that many liberals, including Paul Krugman and the whole Bill Clinton economic team, also accept this.) Some more income redistribution is necessary, as well as more job retraining programs, but tariffs to keep out foreign goods merely increase overall costs at all levels, leading to further unemployment. Negative GDP growth will cause everyone to get poorer, not just the wealthy. Researcher 22:04, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
I'm not a big fan of either Krugman or the Clintons... Secret Squirrel 22:12, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
Look, in the end, there is no way for either of us to convince the other, yes? (The problem with politics...) I could probably cite every economist in the country, and it wouldn't matter to you. And you could cite someone, and it wouldn't matter to me. (I'll be honest about this.) Truce? Researcher 22:14, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
Actually it's time for some ZZZs too... Secret Squirrel 22:17, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Critique section

Seems to mostly promote the idea. I don't get it. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

There was a big fight between me (promoting) and Secret Squirrel (anti). This was teh rough consensus. (Notably, I've moved back a touch from when I wrote it, and I might write something up on it later.) Researcher (talk) 06:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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