Talk:Hard green

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while the unabomber has some connections to anarcho-primitivists, he himself has never been one and actually wrote "the truth about primitive life" as a critique of anarcho primitivism.

also, i really dont think it's fair to lable "general opposition to consumerism and shopping" as part of the hard green movement. that stament can be made to most anti-capitalist, including those who see nothing wrong with civilization, and also to a lot of mainstream environmentalists. some hippies living on a sustainable farm would probably have a general opposition to consumerism and shopping, but that doesnt mean they consider "humans solely as a polluting influence on the environment." likewise, freeganism, while again being anti-consumption doesnt mean it is anti-human. it may be an extream form of trying to limit an individuals negative impact on the planet, but that certainly doesnt equate it with being anti-human or anti-civilization. — Unsigned, by: 83.7.193.240 / talk / contribs

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define "hard". "humans solely as a polluting influence on the environment" this what we call environmentalism, how it becomes hard??? --Foofan (talk) 08:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

  • umm... if that's your definition of environmentalism, you may be a hard green yourself. The idea is to figure out how to clean up our damage and live in harmony with the environment, not to cut ourselves out of the loop entirely. EVDebs (talk) 17:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

[edit] People who need to be added as Hard Green

I think we need to add James Lovelock to this page or make a page specifically designated to his views and how hard green they are. I viewed an interview of him on Youtube. Looking at the info of the video he claims (no facts after to prove it) that scientists "fudge the data" on climate change and it will not go the way scientists have predicted it. Even though I have researched myself that on numerous websites NASA, IPCC , NOAA, and EDF; that by the facts from studies that they did, things have been mostly going the way they have predicted using the said data. I think he is the very model of the hard green ideology and is just as bad as the deniers. After looking at some of his statements, one involving nuclear energy and how it is the only energy solution, he fits the whole philosophy after reading this page. It seems he doesn't know that the theory he came up with is drivel and shoots his mouth off about how any kind of conservation efforts are useless. People actually believe him which sucks because it is not going to help taking action. I think people need to know that something is wrong with what he is saying. (Ps. I'm new to RationalWiki so I've never done this before.) --AmazingS37 (talk) 20:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)AmazingS37

Given that Lovelock authored the Gaia hypothesis, I would concur. Lovelock is certainly a by-the-book hard green. Lord of the Goons The official spikey-haired skeptical punk 23:30, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

[edit] utter bullshit passing as sensible?

"wild apocalyptic claims that the oceans are dying from biological meltdown due to overfishing"

I don't know who wrote this garbage, but they obviously know nothing about the oceans' fisheries. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Agreed. Despite the fact that there's no shortage of fishermen in denial about it, the effect of overfishing as well as some of the more destructive methods (particularly longline and bottom-trawling) are well-documented. EVDebs (talk) 17:06, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

[edit] A Hard Green category?

Does RW need a specific Hard Green ("greenbattery"?) category? I thought it might be helpful to quickly spot/categorise the persons listed in this article and their ideological counterparts and not solely lumping them in with other environmentalists. ScepticWombat (talk) 11:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Do it! ʇυzzγɔɒтqoтɒтo (talk/stalk) 20:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Is what is needed

... according to these are the black flowers from 'Edge of Darkness'? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

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