Talk:Hell/Archive1
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[edit] In hell
do bad devils get sent to Omyakon? 212.85.6.26 (talk) 17:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
[edit] A question about the christian hell
I don't understand christians' horror of their fantasy about eternal punishment, given the even greater horror they often express towards the implications of a materialist world view. Don't people go to hell with the understanding that their lives have meaning and purpose as god's creatures? Advancedatheist (talk) 21:24, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Illogicality of hell
The punishment seems to be rather disporportionate to the cause (eternity in response to a few decades of life). Why no chance for redemption/trying to do it better next time? (Purgatory makes more sense even to a non-Catholic) 171.33.222.26 (talk) 16:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
[edit] Grapes
The dogs/grapes analogy kind of falls apart when you realize that grapes are poisonous to dogs. Eating grapes for eternity would seem a punishment. Please discuss. If no one can give me a good reason not to, I'll change it. --User:ShorinBJ 14:55, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
- It's a pretty weird & pointless analogy altogether. As far as I'm concerned, we could lose it. Щєазєюіδ
Methinks it is a Weasel 15:02, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
- It scores high on the weirdly incomprehensible scale though. I think that not only this article but the world in general would be better off without it.--Weirdstuff (talk) 16:33, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
- Fine, then. --User:ShorinBJ
- It scores high on the weirdly incomprehensible scale though. I think that not only this article but the world in general would be better off without it.--Weirdstuff (talk) 16:33, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
[edit] Intentions
If the way to hell is paved with good intentions (not pursued) is the way to heaven paved with bad intentions (not pursued)?
'We are made in God's image'; we respect 'fairness' and in various countries support the concept of making the punishment propionate to the crime - so eternal damnation does not make sense. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:16, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- If we assume eternal damnation exists (which we don't, obviously), then it wouldn't be man-made or applicable to the mortal world, therefore it's meaningless to talk about how much sense it makes. And just because one thing is true, if we assume it's true (which we don't, obviously), it doesn't mean that vice versa. Nullahnung (talk) 16:28, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- As I say above, it seems more rational to argue the case for purgatory/'detention to improve your weaknesses and negative aspects'/'do better next time' etc than it is to be permanently damned for 'a few trivial misdemeanors' (occasional white lies and 'committing fornication in one's brain' (or whatever the correct phrase is). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:22, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
'Evil' is one thing (round up the usual suspects), 'ordinary naughtiness and going for convenience rather than right'/things done in the heat of the moment or out of necessity are another. (But the discussion is wandering into eschartology/escargotology) 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:22, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- I'm honestly not sure of the point being made. But it seems that we can agree that (1) Hell does not exist and (2) if it did exist it would be a very bad way of doing things. Are you trying to make some point beyond this?--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 18:49, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- What makes it "a bad way of doing things"? That's entirely subjective and not very meaningful on the scale of divine judgement. Do "bad" or "good" hold any meaning in the face of such ridiculousness, as the Christian proposed Hell exhibits? Nullahnung (talk) 02:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
To be fair, while maybe not named Hell, in Revelations it does talk of a lake of fire and brimstone where the evil ones will be cast for all eternity. Researcher 17:27, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
- Yes, and Jesus is reported to have said "It is better for you to enter into life maimed than to keep both hands and go to Hell and the unquenchable fire. And if your foot is your undoing, cut it off; it is better to enter into life a cripple than to keep both your feet and be thrown into Hell. And if it is your eye, tear it out; it is better to enter into the Kingdom of God with one eye than to keep both eyes and be thrown into Hell, where the devouring worm never dies and the fire is not quenched." (Mark 9). And the Old Testament imtermittently rambles about the pit of Sheol and the like. The bit about there being only one mention of hell in the Bible is obviously wrong.--ConservapediaRoolz 08:20, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- Go ahead and add it then :p ArmondikoVtheist 09:18, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
[edit] In hell
do bad devils get sent to Omyakon? 212.85.6.26 (talk) 17:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
[edit] A question about the christian hell
I don't understand christians' horror of their fantasy about eternal punishment, given the even greater horror they often express towards the implications of a materialist world view. Don't people go to hell with the understanding that their lives have meaning and purpose as god's creatures? Advancedatheist (talk) 21:24, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Illogicality of hell
The punishment seems to be rather disporportionate to the cause (eternity in response to a few decades of life). Why no chance for redemption/trying to do it better next time? (Purgatory makes more sense even to a non-Catholic) 171.33.222.26 (talk) 16:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
[edit] Grapes
The dogs/grapes analogy kind of falls apart when you realize that grapes are poisonous to dogs. Eating grapes for eternity would seem a punishment. Please discuss. If no one can give me a good reason not to, I'll change it. --User:ShorinBJ 14:55, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
- It's a pretty weird & pointless analogy altogether. As far as I'm concerned, we could lose it. Щєазєюіδ
Methinks it is a Weasel 15:02, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
- It scores high on the weirdly incomprehensible scale though. I think that not only this article but the world in general would be better off without it.--Weirdstuff (talk) 16:33, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
- Fine, then. --User:ShorinBJ
- It scores high on the weirdly incomprehensible scale though. I think that not only this article but the world in general would be better off without it.--Weirdstuff (talk) 16:33, 8 September 2013 (UTC)