Talk:J. P. Holding

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Facts and citations badly needed[edit]

this article really does not make much sense or tell us much about him. This paragraph in particular is about as vague as me saying "my dad was a minster but got kicked out". I cleaned up the grammar a bit, but someone who knows this guy really needs to address the () stuff.

"Even though he is a Christian, he claims he does not set out to convert people. Instead, he claims, he is presenting facts (about what?) clearing up misunderstandings (about what) and explaining the history of Christianity (in what context?). And he claims he doesn't have to resort to pseudohistory or logical fallacies, although he might stretch the truth a bit."

--Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 05:15, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Tectonics ministries?[edit]

Are you sure it's not Tekton? as far as i can google, tecktonics is some kind of very youth driven electronic music, and this guy is an old fart. Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 05:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

It seems right to me, though I also get drum 'n bass. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 05:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Problem[edit]

This is unsupported and makes little sense without more than bald conclusions: "however it is unclear when reading his articles, what this context is, since it is not mainstream academic, nor mainstream revisionist Christian. He claims he doesn't have to resort to pseudohistory or logical fallacies, but again, this is not borne out in the articles from his website. His answers are his own, and they may or may not be useful for someone who is questioning his or her Christianity, but they do not resolve any of the known conflicts in the Bible any better than other apologetic writers have done." Has anyone read enough of Holding's essays to address this coherently? Faraday Cage (talk) 00:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

I have and he misrepresents stuff like crazy. His book Shattering the Christ Myth case in point. He dismisses Philo of Alexandria showing that he has NO idea of WHY the man non mention of Jesus is so important. Also as one can see from his comments on negative reviews J. P. Holding is not the most pleasant of people. Anyone that disagrees with him get some some really disturbing vitriol. --BruceGrubb (talk) 04:18, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

174.17.61.20's edit[edit]

http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=J._P._Holding&curid=125721&diff=1599041&oldid=1580219&rcid=2067035

That's your opinion, but you overlook the scholarly and able Mormon apologists that have, even according to Holding, run rings around Anti-Mormons in recent years. The main problem is that the Anti-Mormon Assembly contains too many proven prevaricators that have, or claim to have, degrees that when investigated turn out to be worthless, bogus, and degree mill fodder. With that kind of hostility it is little wonder that Anti-Mormonism and Anti-Mormons, suffers from being disbelieved by an increasingly educated readership. Better particulars available at: www.yorkshiretales.com/allaboutmormonism Sig. Ronnie Bray - Mormon.

FuzzyCatPotato of the Raging Bullfighters (talk/stalk) 20:29, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


Drive-by addition from 199.250.57.231[edit]

The below was allegedly, quote "filed by Plaintiff Christian Doscher". Moved to talkpage by me. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 07:50, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

End of material allegedly contributed by Doscher[edit]

Comments? Questions? in the U.S. or Canada, dial barryjoneswhat@yahoo.com. — Unsigned, by: 199.250.57.231 / talk / contribs

Relevance to pseudoscience?[edit]

I personally talk with the guy on a regular basis. Why the heck is he featured under the pseudoscience category now? What do you guys know that I don't?134.129.56.235 (talk) 21:30, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Update: It's been nearly four months and I have yet to receive an answer. Removing pseudoscience tag.Skadooshbag (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2018 (UTC)