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[edit] Whaling
I have put the bit about 'direct action' against Japanese whaling ships in somewhat more neutral language. I know we don't do NPOV here but describing Greenpeace as eco-terrorists will upset quite large portions of the mob. Silver Sloth 08:50, 9 January 2009 (EST)
- It wouldn't upset me at all for the record :). Greenpeace is pretty much a joke organisation at the moment compared to what it used to be, though not quite all the way to terrorism (that would be the ALF and co). ArmondikoVtheist 09:16, 9 January 2009 (EST)
- Greenpeace was not mentioned by name in this article at the time the Neutral Language was inserted.
ListenerXTalkerX 11:47, 9 January 2009 (EST)
- I'm not refering to GreenPeace here, I'm referring to Sea Sheperd, and as a Half-Japanese person myself, i don't like it when my compatriots come under attack from a bunch of cranks armed with Biuretic (?) acid. --
Redcoat
06:02, 31 January 2009 (EST)17:21, 27 January 2009 (EST)
- I'm not refering to GreenPeace here, I'm referring to Sea Sheperd, and as a Half-Japanese person myself, i don't like it when my compatriots come under attack from a bunch of cranks armed with Biuretic (?) acid. --
- Greenpeace was not mentioned by name in this article at the time the Neutral Language was inserted.
[edit] Kanji
I'm not sure who added the Kanji, but it's not the typical Japan 日本. Being that my Japanese is super basic, I don't know what it is, but could someone justify it before I delete it?--
En attendant Godot"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?" 09:57, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- Given how the Japanese love redundancy and stating the obvious, if you're referring to the country Japan then it should be "Japan-country" or Nippon-kokou which is 日本国. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:20, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- I did find that one, too, at wiki. choose which ever makes sense. but no Google, babel fish, nor anime.lab.com (i know, my Japanese is rooted in anime. sue me) had the 5 character Japango, that I couldn't identify. --
En attendant Godot"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?" 10:44, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- Purely FYI, but if anyone cared what i deleted, after much google, wp, and japan dictionary, i finally found The Empire of Japan (Kyūjitai: 大日本帝國; Shinjitai: 大日本帝国; pronounced Dai Nippon Teikoku; literally Great Imperial Japan or Great Empire of Japan, officially Great Japan, Empire of Greater Japan or Greater Japanese Empire; more widely known as Imperial Japan or the Japanese Empire) was a Japanese political entity that existed during the period from the Meiji Restoration in 1868 until its defeat in World War II in 1945. (wikipedia) Not that anyone cares but me, i just had to know...heheheh--
En attendant Godot"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?" 11:34, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- Aha, a kindred anime fan. Although if you say something silly like "Naruto is the greatest!" I'm going to have to hunt you down and do terrible things to you. --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:07, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- RW is full of anime fans. Wēāŝēīōīď
Methinks it is a Weasel 12:19, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- Ureshii! (said purely to drive Kels mad, knowing how she hates fan-person Japanese *grin*) --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:32, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- Let's see, in no particular order, a few of my favorites are "Wolf's Reign/rain?", Witch Hunter Robin, this totally silly show Moishiman (about microbes...), yakitate Japan (also cute), Fruits basked (of course), and Monster. Oh, and one about Maj-gong, but i can't remember it's name. and and and "to-to-to, totoro, to-to-to, totoro". :D--
En attendant Godot"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?" 12:52, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- Let's see, in no particular order, a few of my favorites are "Wolf's Reign/rain?", Witch Hunter Robin, this totally silly show Moishiman (about microbes...), yakitate Japan (also cute), Fruits basked (of course), and Monster. Oh, and one about Maj-gong, but i can't remember it's name. and and and "to-to-to, totoro, to-to-to, totoro". :D--
- Ureshii! (said purely to drive Kels mad, knowing how she hates fan-person Japanese *grin*) --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:32, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- RW is full of anime fans. Wēāŝēīōīď
- Aha, a kindred anime fan. Although if you say something silly like "Naruto is the greatest!" I'm going to have to hunt you down and do terrible things to you. --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:07, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- Purely FYI, but if anyone cared what i deleted, after much google, wp, and japan dictionary, i finally found The Empire of Japan (Kyūjitai: 大日本帝國; Shinjitai: 大日本帝国; pronounced Dai Nippon Teikoku; literally Great Imperial Japan or Great Empire of Japan, officially Great Japan, Empire of Greater Japan or Greater Japanese Empire; more widely known as Imperial Japan or the Japanese Empire) was a Japanese political entity that existed during the period from the Meiji Restoration in 1868 until its defeat in World War II in 1945. (wikipedia) Not that anyone cares but me, i just had to know...heheheh--
- I did find that one, too, at wiki. choose which ever makes sense. but no Google, babel fish, nor anime.lab.com (i know, my Japanese is rooted in anime. sue me) had the 5 character Japango, that I couldn't identify. --
Mmmm concur on WHR and Moyashimon. (Akagi was the mah-jong one, I think - I liked the one by the same guys: Kaiji). Also Gunslinger Girl, Genshiken, Bokura no, Kaiba (which is just geogeous) and Azumanga Daioh. Ok... back on topic. — Unsigned, by: Psygremlin / talk / contribs
- As for me, I mostly love anything & everything by Hayao Miyazaki &/or Studio Ghibli. Other than that, just a few random things like Hellsing & Cowboy Bebop. I've got a DVD of Witch Hunter Robin which I've had for months now but haven't got around to starting on yet (I'm waiting til I finish Bebop first). I've seen the first few episodes of Wolf's Rain & thought it was OK. Haven't heard of most of those other things you guys mentioned. Wēāŝēīōīď
Methinks it is a Weasel 13:39, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
- Oi!, who reverted my subtle edits to the Kanji?!-- 忍者 N I N J A A A H ! ! ! ! ! 23:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] homosexuality in Japan
Something I would like to bring in this article. I would like mention that fact that Japan is more tolerant towards homosexuality than in the United States mostly due to the fact that unlike United States, Japanese society has no religious or moral condemnation towards homosexuality. But I'm not sure what or how to say this nor the sources I should give out, any ideas?--Dark Paladin X 05:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sure Ken could help, but probably not constructively. How about a section called "Attitudes toward homosexuality", and just write what you said above + more? ħuman
05:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Hmmmm...we don't have an article relating to attitudes towards homosexuality, we should create one. Be sure you guys help out because I can't do it alone. --Dark Paladin X 23:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Sources → Any BL(Boy's Love)/Yaoi manga/anime you can find (Alternatively, the Yuri(Lesbian) ones), pretty much. Especially the dojin arts. If there is any need for condemnation the Japanese people would start there. I don't know about Bisexuality and transgender (specifically, those with a surgery instead of Magic) however. So there is still lack of Gay Superheroes in US comic market these days? K61824ZOYG I edit like Kenservative! 05:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Isn't Superman gay? And Batman? And pretty much all those buff gentlemen in tights? ħuman
07:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- There are signs... --Kels (talk) 04:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hehe, thanks! I always suspected... all those Men of Steel and those who Dress Up As Mice With Wings, all the time at the gym... and the YMCA... ħuman
04:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hehe, thanks! I always suspected... all those Men of Steel and those who Dress Up As Mice With Wings, all the time at the gym... and the YMCA... ħuman
- There are signs... --Kels (talk) 04:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Isn't Superman gay? And Batman? And pretty much all those buff gentlemen in tights? ħuman
[edit] ummm...is Japan really socially conservative?
The Japanese are generally socially conservative, with a heavy emphasis on conformity and group identity.
No offense, but I think Japan is considered to be one of the most liberal societies (in Western standards). Homosexuality is highly tolerated in Japan (and even when Japan allied with a highly homophobic and racist regime during World War II, they aren't really racist or homophobic and didn't bought into the Nazi demands in regards to race and sexuality. In fact, Japan even provided refuge for the Jewish people to escape from the said regime. More details here). Political correctness isn't really bought into in the entertainment industry in Japan. And contrary to popular belief, racism does not equal to xenophobia. The Japanese are xenophobic, not racist. Also, not to mention that a large majority of the population believe that global warming is a threat and they also do have some form of universal health care. In addition, they aren't that overly religious and try to fully incorporate religion into their lives despite many Japanese attending some Buddhist/Shinto festivals and observances (I forgot to mention that some Japanese many identify themselves as Shinto AND Buddhist AND atheist/agnostic at the same time).--Dark Paladin X (talk) 04:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- I can find that their main political parties are described as Liberal Democrat. But if I was being realistic, I don't think Japanese culture even fits on the scale. In some social respects, they're very liberated and indeed, what someone in the US would describe as Liberal with the Capital L, but in other respects they really are very conservative (with the small c) because they're very strong with tradition and maintaining their status quo (at least the post-WWII quo). In other words, it's probably a little more complicated than that.
theist 04:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I still think Japan is very socially liberal, particularly when it comes to homosexuality. I mean, look at their yaoi/yuri manga and anime. Not to mention, the Japanese society doesn't fully incorporate religion into their lives. Incorporating religion into your lives and society is a common characteristic of social conservatism. Did I mention they don't buy into political correctness?--Dark Paladin X (talk) 01:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Pre-WWII, they were more socially conservative. If I might recommend a film from my collection, I would suggest watching Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai. Regarded by some critics as the greatest Japanese film of all time, parts of the plot deal with the changes in Japanese society following their defeat to the Americans. Granted, you would have to sit through three hours of black and white subtitles (and in my case, 2 VHS tapes)--Tabris (talk) 01:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- DPX, you seem to be muddling political & social conservatism. Yes, Japan is relatively liberal & modern on issues such as homosexuality, environmentalism. However, many aspects of Japanese life are heavily influenced by tradition, etiquette, conformity & social expectations. As examples, there are specific forms of language & deference used for certain situations (e.g. talking to one's boss); companies expect their employees to put their career ahead of time with their family; young people are often under pressure from their parents to find a prosperous career and a good marriage match; public displays of affection such as kissing (straight or gay) or heavily disapproved of. Religious traditions are pretty important to the Japanese, especially those of Shinto, even if the Japanese don't consider themselves "religious" as such. Wëäŝëïöïď
Methinks it is a Weasel 19:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've been living in Japan for 8 years as of now, and I can attribute to the conservative nature of Japan; Weaseloid is spot on. The focus on group mentality and 'outsiders' of any sort being generally discouraged is rampant. Although homophobia isn't as rabid or overt as the States, it still does exist, and gay people cannot legally marry in Japan. They also focus on traditional values (in the classical conservative definition), and gender roles are still reinforced. In fact, there is a popular saying that goes (and I may be paraphrasing) 'The nail that sticks out gets hammered down', meaning essentially 'people that want to be an individual will get put back into their place'. So yeah...... Japan is hella conservative. While we're on the subject, 'Liberal Democratic Party' is a HUGE misnomer; they're essentially the Tory/Republican/Tea Party of Japan. TokenSkepticMagician LITERALLY SATAN 14:41, 28 July 2014 (JST)
- DPX, you seem to be muddling political & social conservatism. Yes, Japan is relatively liberal & modern on issues such as homosexuality, environmentalism. However, many aspects of Japanese life are heavily influenced by tradition, etiquette, conformity & social expectations. As examples, there are specific forms of language & deference used for certain situations (e.g. talking to one's boss); companies expect their employees to put their career ahead of time with their family; young people are often under pressure from their parents to find a prosperous career and a good marriage match; public displays of affection such as kissing (straight or gay) or heavily disapproved of. Religious traditions are pretty important to the Japanese, especially those of Shinto, even if the Japanese don't consider themselves "religious" as such. Wëäŝëïöïď
- Pre-WWII, they were more socially conservative. If I might recommend a film from my collection, I would suggest watching Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai. Regarded by some critics as the greatest Japanese film of all time, parts of the plot deal with the changes in Japanese society following their defeat to the Americans. Granted, you would have to sit through three hours of black and white subtitles (and in my case, 2 VHS tapes)--Tabris (talk) 01:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I still think Japan is very socially liberal, particularly when it comes to homosexuality. I mean, look at their yaoi/yuri manga and anime. Not to mention, the Japanese society doesn't fully incorporate religion into their lives. Incorporating religion into your lives and society is a common characteristic of social conservatism. Did I mention they don't buy into political correctness?--Dark Paladin X (talk) 01:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Tone of the Article - language section
I read the language section here and it's really... awkward at best. it seems to be trying to thread the needle between "funny" and "serious" and failing at either. any thoughts?--
En attendant Godot 14:03, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Very little if any of it is really needed. We don't have (& probably wouldn't want) comparable comments about other langugaes in our country articles. Wẽãšẽĩõĩď
Methinks it is a Weasel 16:59, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- I've trimmed it back to much as it was a few months ago but it's still pretty unnecessary. Wëäŝëïöïď
Methinks it is a Weasel 19:36, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah.... so is the food section. whaling and religion are likely relevant to what we do here. can we nix the language and food sections? will it kill anyone to say "wanna learn about the language go to wiki P"--
GodotGet over it!. 20:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- No objection from me. Weaseloid
Methinks it is a Weasel 20:11, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- No objection from me. Weaseloid
- Yeah.... so is the food section. whaling and religion are likely relevant to what we do here. can we nix the language and food sections? will it kill anyone to say "wanna learn about the language go to wiki P"--
- I've trimmed it back to much as it was a few months ago but it's still pretty unnecessary. Wëäŝëïöïď
[edit] racism in japan
The section "racism in japan" seems to conflate (if i'm using that word correctly) two distinct ideas - racism and ethocentrism. I'm not convinced we really are addressing racism in this section (though it does exist, especially against the dark skinned, southern okinawa people) and perhaps more ethnocentrism adn xenophobia. My knowledge of japan is 2nd hand, via Dramas and anime and a husband who translates for a living. So I am hesitant to change much until or unless anyone around with personal experience chimes in. --
Godot 19:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with you. I'm not very comfortable with the phrase "devotion to racism", as I think it's oversimplifying Japanese attitudes to the country's culture & ethnicity for the sake of being (deliberately?) provocative. Japan can certainly be very inwardly focused, and ideas about Japan and the Japanese being inherently "special" are still commonplace. These issues should be mentioned, but I think characterising them purely in terms of racism is rather crude & simplistic. Ŵêâŝêîôîď
Methinks it is a Weasel 19:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
- *cough*Rising Sun*cough* ТyrannisAn iron, but caring, fist 19:48, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
- Japan is racist as fuck; trust me. They actually have places with 'Japanese Only' signs on the outside. And they mean it; even if you're half-Japanese and culturally are completely Japanese effectively, they won't let you in. There are other examples as well, but that's just one major one. TokenSkepticMagician LITERALLY SATAN 14:52, 28 July 2014 (JST)
- *cough*Rising Sun*cough* ТyrannisAn iron, but caring, fist 19:48, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Illuminati finally speaks out from Japan!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yqmE5I5OG8 They exist! Wow! They finally revealed themselves!--67.5.250.119 (talk) 22:46, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
[edit] Wingnut hard-on for Japan
There are tons of Wingnuts, that very much like Japan for being "racially pure", as they put it, racist and not being apologetic about historic atrocities they committed. Of course, it's not as simple as these kooks put it, but it is a similar phenomenon like the right-wing hard-on for Putin.--Arisboch (talk) 19:24, 19 February 2015 (UTC)