Talk:Love-shy.com
[edit] Minor Nitpick
"Really lying" seems less no-true-Scotsman and more she-doth-protest-too-much. I can't find an article on that here, though it might be classifiable as a variation on the appeal to motive. Do we have such an article so the link can be modified or should one be written? Frostbyte (talk) 22:03, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
[edit] One point of disagreement
I have to disagree with this sentence: "Discussion plans to create robot women to have sex with, and believing that you're not a virgin if you do this." More specifically, the implicit statement about them still being virgins. I don't think this is true: Masturbation is sex, and should certainly be thought of as such. As Betty Dodson says in "Sex for One": "The next time someone asks, "When was the first time you had sex?" the appropriate response would be your first memory of masturbation, not the first time you had partnersex." And what is this, but some elaborate form of masturbation?
Indeed, I think it would help these people to think of it in this way. The stigma on masturbation is a large part of why these guys feel so hopeless. It's time we as a society owned up to the fact that we still have a long way to go on sexual repression, and the existence of forums like this one is just a symptom of an underlying issue. I think the other members of this wiki would agree, looking at the pages on masturbation here. Please don't prove me wrong on this.Sensual Endeavor, the sexy pony ;) (talk) 06:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- masturbation is sex? Really? My eyes are rolling AMassiveGay (talk) 09:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- No - David Gerard (talk) 10:14, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I'm sorry to hear that. Sorry you're part of the problem of sexual repression in our society. And I'm saddened to see this kind of dismissive attitude on a wiki that prides itself on being open-minded, particularly in terms of sexuality, and which usually does a good job of it. But I suppose you're entitled to your own beliefs, just as I'm entitled to my belief that masturbation counts :) (though, as I said, I'm not alone in that belief). So I won't say any more. Sensual Endeavor, the sexy pony ;) (talk) 00:09, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Argumentum ad dictionarium - "if we define sex as..." well, we could define it as anything you like. It concludes and proves nothing to re-define terms at all. "The first time I had [list of activities including masturbation] was the first time I masturbated" is hardly a game-changing piece of logic.
Don't click here 00:29, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- I suppose for men, it's a bit harder to define virgin, but i'm both with and against this guy. If i use a dildo and break my girly parts in, then by the traditional definition of "whole hymen", i'm not a virgin any more, right? Yet at the same time, if you use that definition, and are a lesbian, and only use fingers, you might well stay a "virgin" your whole life. trouble with words like this is they don't really mean anything, beyond what one single individual soul searching person thinks about him or her self.One tin soldier (talk) 02:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- If masturbation is sex, then Zeus ain't got nuthin' on me. --|₹Λ¥$€₦₦
They were trying to combine themselves to form some sort of molestation Voltron 21:47, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Virginity doesn't hinge around an unbroken hymen. In so far as it remains a meaningful concept at all, it refers to whether or not somebody has had sex with other people. How "sex" is defined in this context may vary depending on people's sexual orientation and what they tend to get up to in the bedroom, but it basically always involves another person. Solo masturbation is a sex act and there may be other contexts where it's relevant to include it within a broad definition of "sex", but counting it as a loss of virginity is frankly a bit odd. Wěǎšěǐǒǐď
Methinks it is a Weasel 23:04, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Virginity doesn't hinge around an unbroken hymen. In so far as it remains a meaningful concept at all, it refers to whether or not somebody has had sex with other people. How "sex" is defined in this context may vary depending on people's sexual orientation and what they tend to get up to in the bedroom, but it basically always involves another person. Solo masturbation is a sex act and there may be other contexts where it's relevant to include it within a broad definition of "sex", but counting it as a loss of virginity is frankly a bit odd. Wěǎšěǐǒǐď
- If masturbation is sex, then Zeus ain't got nuthin' on me. --|₹Λ¥$€₦₦
- I suppose for men, it's a bit harder to define virgin, but i'm both with and against this guy. If i use a dildo and break my girly parts in, then by the traditional definition of "whole hymen", i'm not a virgin any more, right? Yet at the same time, if you use that definition, and are a lesbian, and only use fingers, you might well stay a "virgin" your whole life. trouble with words like this is they don't really mean anything, beyond what one single individual soul searching person thinks about him or her self.One tin soldier (talk) 02:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Argumentum ad dictionarium - "if we define sex as..." well, we could define it as anything you like. It concludes and proves nothing to re-define terms at all. "The first time I had [list of activities including masturbation] was the first time I masturbated" is hardly a game-changing piece of logic.
- Well, I'm sorry to hear that. Sorry you're part of the problem of sexual repression in our society. And I'm saddened to see this kind of dismissive attitude on a wiki that prides itself on being open-minded, particularly in terms of sexuality, and which usually does a good job of it. But I suppose you're entitled to your own beliefs, just as I'm entitled to my belief that masturbation counts :) (though, as I said, I'm not alone in that belief). So I won't say any more. Sensual Endeavor, the sexy pony ;) (talk) 00:09, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
[edit] I'm just adding one thing.
Guest here, and I will create an account if I need to. I was just talking about some of the physical aspects of love-shyness. Is that okay? — Unsigned, by: 147.215.1.189 / talk / contribs
- "Physical aspects"? FuzzyCatPotato™ (talk/stalk) 12:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
- Sweating a lot when near the ladies maybe? *shrugs* 141.134.75.236 (talk) 12:52, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
- I can assure you that this case applies to me. It was from his original book, and I can reference it if I need to. 147.215.1.189 (talk) 12:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
- The properly-referenced example is indeed champagne comedy - David Gerard (talk) 13:51, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- They reference is to a pseudo-scientific book almost 25 years old that even the site states should be heavily cherry picked for useful things. To end it the author seems to float outlawing football, drastic indoctrination, prostitution rings, and starting eugenics programs to stop this problem from happening again...when the author can't say what caused it in the first place. Not just breathing slowly through ones nose. Which is a good solution for stress and anxiety related disorders. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 14:56, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- The properly-referenced example is indeed champagne comedy - David Gerard (talk) 13:51, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- I can assure you that this case applies to me. It was from his original book, and I can reference it if I need to. 147.215.1.189 (talk) 12:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
- Sweating a lot when near the ladies maybe? *shrugs* 141.134.75.236 (talk) 12:52, 7 April 2015 (UTC)