Talk:Ludwig von Mises Institute
So this where Pratchett got Moist von Lipwig from? He knows too much that man. - π 14:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Alzheimer's is a curse. Tim O'Tei (talk) 14:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
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[edit] Whats the point?
Whats the point of writing this article? I could spew random faeces out of myself and it would probably be just as useful as this articles paragraph on one of the most sophisticated economic thinktanks of the 20th century. MarcusCicero 00:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Got to love how Human spends the hours working on articles. Now if anyone would just read them and not wonder how anything can be so incompetant! MarcusCicero 13:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Sophisticated? HA there argument is basiclty "The goverment is always wrong". "Lincoln was a communist". Oh and MLK was one too. I think anyone who supports them is probably a bit deluded. — Unsigned, by: 96.42.214.127 / talk / contribs
[edit] I'm curious
The Institute supports a non-interventionist foreign policy that includes a retrospective opposition to America's involvement in World War II.[1]
Opposition to which part of America's involvement in WWII? It's loaning of resources to the Allies before actively going to war (arguable), or declaring war on Japan after taking it in the ass from them (batshit crazy)?
Radioactive Misanthrope 03:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Since pearl harbor happened like at least 2 years after WW2 started, I suspect the former. the isolationist policy. but links would be nice, wouldn't they ħuman
03:27, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Obvious joke
I hate von Mises to pieces! 21:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
How can you hate them? They produce a good amount of lulz. I'm waiting for articles like "Cooking with Praxeology" or "How to Avoid Dating a Statist." Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 08:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I occasionally lurk their forums for lulz and
occasionalfrequent facepalms. I do take some offense, as an anarchist, at their insistence that only anarcho-capitalism is the One True Anarchism™, although some of them claim they'd be okay with socialist and communist communities in their hypothetical ancap fantasy land. I honestly don't trust them, and I'm not entirely sure how communes would work out unless they became self-sufficient, since I'm not sure how trade would work between moneyless and monied communities (although only anarcho-communism seeks to abolish money). Wait, maybe that's why they're so permissive. Sneaky. HolyKatana (talk) 20:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
[edit] RW gets noticed
I found this while searching for something completely unrelated: http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/22410.aspx --ZooGuard (talk) 18:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, this is why I can't keep myself away from the nuthouse that is LvMI. Noticed that they took issue with some of the things I wrote as well, but it's a McMegan style "technically true but collectively false" non-rebuttal, pretty predictable from the Austro-bots. Just because I'm a tireless rebutter, I'll post why most of this is rank stupidity:
- "But, but, but, he's cherry-picking the bad stuff about the Gilded Age." Duh, my point in comparing positions libertarians champion with the Gilded Age is to point out the bad stuff they continuously overlook (note a few of them making completely asinine defenses of the Gilded Age as a Golden Age). It was a time of rapid industrial expansion and new wealth, but it came at a cost that libertarians like to overlook (or explain away, and those saying that libertarians don't defend the Gilded Age, I give you this.). My point wasn't to write an entire book on it. That's why we have things called libraries and the internets.
- "The Gilded Age was corporatism, not capitalism!" Okay, so? I'll fully admit that. Government give-aways were known as the "spoils system," and there were state-backed monopolies, especially in the railroad industry as the government owned the empty land it handed out to these industries. Now here's the $64,000 question: How do you end the spoils system? The libertarian position is just to get rid of government regulation to reduce rent-seeking. Sure, if you want to go back to the days when you could lose a leg, get fired because of it, and have no recourse for compensation. Libertarians bring up good points about how regulation can raise barriers to entry, but offer no solutions besides stupidity like "monopolies can't exist in truly free markets!" Companies back then helped perpetuate this spoils system by dumping large wads of dough into political machines, and they damn well made sure that if you worked for them, you voted for the company candidate. And more obviously, if they get to write this off as "not real capitalism," then surely the USSR couldn't be "real communism." I mean, they didn't do things exactly the way Marx said! (I find the Marxist idea of the state stepping aside at "the end of history" just as stupendously naive and idiotic as the libertarian notion that the unfettered "free market" won't lead to corporatism.) And this is why I have that John Adams quote about ideology being the "science of idiocy" in my profile. You end up in the position of defending the indefensible.
- All the other stuff. Specifically, the revisionist histories surrounding Lincoln (covered in Mike Huben's Critiques of Libertarianism page that we link to). Not saying Lincoln was perfect, but the libertarian histories deliberately falsify facts. Gotta love all the rest of it too, the stuff along the lines of, "Well, the private defense agencies and company towns weren't that bad." Goes to show that they haven't ventured very far outside of Cato/LvMI-approved history. And praxeology, all I can say to that is simply "lolwut." Yes, an a priori system of the social sciences derived from one axiom that flies in the face of science, psychology, history, economics, etc. developed over the 20th century should be taken seriously...in some other universe maybe. RW's SPOV has to come into play there. I could go on and on, but it would be mere repetition of many of the things that can be found in Huben's collection of critiques. And don't forget to take a shot -- this is supposed to be RationalWiki right?
- The only truly sensible thing in that thread: There was no golden age in American (or any) history. Can 100% agree with that.Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 22:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
"Sure, if you want to go back to the days when you could lose a leg, get fired because of it, and have no recourse for compensation." Could you please dispense with the strawman arguments? Even the pirates during the Age of Exploration had a form of worker's compensation for lost limbs. Under a free-market society, there will exist public insurance, compensation, and aid to the poor as we have today with non-profit organisations. You also confuse market dominance with monopolies. Most of what you wrote as with Ruben is non-cited opinions and pointless what-ifs.— Unsigned, by: 68.38.126.81 / talk / contribs 14:25, 3 November 2013
- Any evidence that such a public insurance/compensation system (if it exists; no guarantee there at all) will be anywhere near as effective as the modern welfare state (and yes, it -is- effective; countries that have modern welfare states generally don't have people starving to death, as happens in countries without)?ChrisB (talk) 08:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)