# Talk:Main Page/Archive12

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## Moral Matrix

Moved to RationalWiki:Moral Matrix and its talk page human 17:04, 21 January 2008 (EST)

##  A "situational" political test?

If you look at the graph of overall results for the test above, you'll see that very few people end up firmly in the cold, unfeeling authoritarian dog-eat-dog column. Yet despite this, lots and lots of governments actually turn out that way.

I reckon this is because it's easy to answer questions of morality in isolation, without reference to consequences. In many ways the questions asked of serving governments are "loaded" in that not choosing a particular answer, even though you think it's probably a bad thing, ends up with you out of office and, in some extreme cases, stone dead.

Do you think it might be possible to devise a sort of situational political test that more realistically models how the beliefs of the test taker would actually play out in a real governmental situation? Would there be any point to it even if you could? --JeɚvsYour signature uses all my CPU time... 04:40, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Whatever happened to taking political quantification tests for the fun of it? -- Radioactive Misanthrope 05:47, 11 January 2008 (EST)
http://www.philosophersnet.com/games/morality_play.htm
Your Moral Parsimony Score is 92%
Geographical distance: 83%
Family relatedness: 100%
Acts and omissions: 83%
Scale: 100% GrandSoviet 12:01, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Hmm, interesting:

Your Moral Parsimony Score is 84%
Geographical distance: 100%
Family relatedness: 100%
Acts and omissions: 35% (!)
Scale: 100%

Amusing. The E & O one I had to footnote in my mind due to missing information - basically these were the workplace machinery questions, and I kept asking things like "is every worker expected to inspect the machine before use" and "are other people supposed to examine this equipment or is that my job". In other words, I felt like the situations were not described in enough detail in order for me to judge them clearly. That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it. human 23:04, 11 January 2008 (EST)

##  Grils v Byos

Hey! Anyone notice how there's a female increase going on? Kels, me, CP ref, Eira & now apparently Uchiha's a lady real estate salesperson (!). (of course, for all I know, You could 'all be grils but somehow I doubt it) SusanPrunes and custard 15:15, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Quickly! We must put up more pictures of cars, women, and guns to back up our side! --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
Ha! -nix the guns & I'm wit you! SusanPrunes and custard
I, for one, welcome our new overlordsladies. --Shagie 16:12, 11 January 2008 (EST)
I, as a male, ask for special privileges, in the name of affirmative action. Ed @but not the Poor one! 16:15, 11 January 2008 (EST)

(I should like to apologize in advance for the following comment which is possibly sexist and not worthy of me.) Perhaps we should put some pink hearts and flowers on the mainpage?--Bobbing up 16:28, 11 January 2008 (EST)

NOT pink (hearts well roasted please - with tatties & peas, please) SusanPrunes and custard 16:38, 11 January 2008 (EST)
The pink ones are medium-rare. --Kels 18:10, 11 January 2008 (EST)
I have an explanation. Clearly this correlates with the rise of the Long-eared jerboa which has feminine Ti, and the decline of the goat which is infused with masculine Ti. --JeɚvsYour signature uses all my CPU time... 16:34, 11 January 2008 (EST)
Could be, but Eira is with the LLama.--Bobbing up 16:38, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Oh. Wow. Um. Er. Haha. Yeah. Um. This... is insanely awkward.

...that was my mom I was spamvertising for. UchihaKATON! 11:22, 12 January 2008 (EST)

Mmm. Nice mom! SusanPrunes and custard 11:45, 12 January 2008 (EST)
To clarify: I am a boy. UchihaKATON! 22:25, 12 January 2008 (EST)

## Financial Solvency

Hey all, as I pointed out over on RationalWiki talk:Site support, I am currently under a some what significant financial crunch and will be till the end of February. I really need RW to "pay for itself" for Dec/Jan and hopefully Feb. At the moment we are \$70 in the whole and need another \$50 for February. Current donations total about \$20 a month so need to come up with about \$100 by the end of the month. If no one can really help we may have to wind up putting google ads or something up to offset things as much as possible. Come March things should settle down again and it won't matter much. So....yea........RationalWiki:Site support has the info, you can either do a "pi pledge" which is a monthly thing or there is the "make a donation" button that allows for a one time gift. Even \$1 helps! tmtoulouse persecute 16:43, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Can I offer to host it instead of giving you money? I can't imagine it uses any significant amount of bandwidth (where I class significant as something approaching saturating a T1) --JeɚvsYour signature uses all my CPU time... 16:52, 11 January 2008 (EST)
Bandwidth is not the problem, we take up a LOT of CPU cycles and memory so need dedicated hosting. Plus our "database" is starting to be not so insignificant as far as disk space. tmtoulouse persecute 16:54, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Disk space is no problem:

```Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/discs/disc0/part6
113G  2.4G  104G   3% /
/dev/discs/disc0/part7
74G  1.7G   69G   3% /home
```

As for CPU time, got load averages? --JeɚvsYour signature uses all my CPU time... 17:01, 11 January 2008 (EST)

We are currently hosted on 3ghz and avg 20-30 percent with bursts above 80. tmtoulouse persecute 17:19, 11 January 2008 (EST)
That seems rather excessive considering the number of hits, lousy software. Still, sounds manageable anyway. Worst comes to worst, I have to take a trip down to the isle of dogs and put a new motherboard in the box. --JeɚvsYour signature uses all my CPU time... 17:25, 11 January 2008 (EST)
How do you donate to RationalWiki? 'Cause I'll have about \$25 left over after all my expenses for the month are paid, and I'd be happy to donate it to RationalWiki. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 17:45, 11 January 2008 (EST)
On the left hand side is a big button that says Pi Pledge. You can give multiples of \$3.14 a month to support this site or make a single donation. Genghis Marauding 18:50, 11 January 2008 (EST)
How do you just give one lump sum? I can't find the option for it. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 21:13, 11 January 2008 (EST)
Go to Site support - the link right above the pledge button - there's a paypal link there, the button that says "make a donation". And thanks! human 22:30, 11 January 2008 (EST)
Done. \$π*10^1 for you. — Unsigned, by: Kels / talk / contribs
That's \$31.40, right? -- Radioactive Misanthrope 23:06, 11 January 2008 (EST)
Yup. But it looks better when I say it. =p --Kels 23:48, 11 January 2008 (EST)
Well, congrats, you are now \$40 closer to solvency. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 23:10, 11 January 2008 (EST)

I got off my ass and finally gave US\$31.41. RationalWiki is definately worth it. --Edgerunner76 17:54, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Sorted my way thru paypal eventually - \$3.14/ month - value for money. SusanPurrrrrrr 18:29, 16 January 2008 (EST)

## Banlist purge time

Is it time to unblock of the people who have been blocked over a week or longer ago? Robert Stark 19:17, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Err ... You have an interest? SusanPrunes and custard 19:23, 11 January 2008 (EST)
Not much besides the entire population of New Gwenson on that list, along with a few nazis and people proud of their passwords. Did you have a friend you wanted to get paroled? human 23:39, 11 January 2008 (EST)
Some of those users have been blocked wqay too long, even indefinitely. I though RW didn't believe in indefblocks. Besides, you used to purge the banlist every few days. Robert Stark 11:15, 12 January 2008 (EST)
Specifically? SusanPrunes and custard 11:50, 12 January 2008 (EST)

## What coup?

In August, there was rampant speculation that there would be some sort of showdown between Schlafly and TK. More importantly, that Schlafly would lose the battle. Yet, TK was banned, and like Bohdan, came here. So, what the hell happened? I'm afraid I wasn't paying much attention, I just came here one day and TK was here. So what the hell happened!? And what about all those predictions that Schlafly would lose? Would someone kindly explain what, if any, showdown occurred, and why all the predictions were wrong? -- Radioactive Misanthrope 17:17, 12 January 2008 (EST)

Wow - that must be the first time ever that gossip was proven wrong!--Danielfolsom 17:22, 12 January 2008 (EST)
Nobody ever wins an argument against a editor in his own magazine, and nobody wins a blog debate with the guy who owns the server. --Gulik 03:04, 13 January 2008 (EST)

## Image pimp

I just made a crapload of new images! I made them all for of you, driven by the deepest, most bored loving part of my heart. Enjoy!

Image:RW at work.gif
Image:Intelligent thought required.gif
Image:Flammable material.gif
Image:Abstinence only.gif
Image:Too many syllables

Use them everywhere to further our cause(s)! -- Radioactive Misanthrope 03:29, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Wow, bored much? But, er, thanks! human 04:25, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Wow, that's fantastic, RA! Thanks for your valuable contributions! Godspeed! --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 07:40, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Hey, I used one at some abstinence-only sexy article thing, at least. And yes, RA, you are safely within the bounds of our 99/1 rule! We all await your next constructive contributions! Goatspeed! human 08:16, 13 January 2008 (EST)
Is it just me, or are you sarcastically suggesting that I talk less and make more articles? -- Radioactive Misanthrope 15:21, 13 January 2008 (EST)
Quite the opposite I believe. Pinto's5150 Talk 22:26, 13 January 2008 (EST)

##  MLK

Since this holy daze is coming up I ask of you, the RW community, to take a quick look at the proposed "headline" especially since it will run the maximum number of days possible (tues - mon) this year. I just don't want to diminish his legacy and heroism with a lolcateze thing unless we all think that's uberkewl and Dr. King would not mind. PS, of course it links to the famous "I can haz dream" speech text. human 10:25, 13 January 2008 (EST)

No great fan of the lolcateze. Paraphrasing Bill Hicks:

We kill the good guys and let the demons run amok.

--Robledo 12:30, 13 January 2008 (EST)

How about a simple, "Martin, we hardly knew ye" (with speech link, of course)? human 06:48, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Hey, here's a freakin' idea - let's write an article on him over the next week! Put the speech in a subpage of it (it's snarky at MP/, but sort of an ugly link to use to honor the man). And the banner could just read "Honor Martin Luther King Week" & link to the burgeoning article. human 09:23, 14 January 2008 (EST)

##  protection

I can understand why you wouldn't want to protect your main page, but as for not protect it from moves and anonymous editors, that just smells of you trying to make a statement of the likes of "look how liberal we are out main page is completely unprotected"? Ajuk 15:32, 13 January 2008 (EST)

This statement smells of you trying trying statement of the likes of "Look how petty I am complaining about the main page being unprotected." -- Radioactive Misanthrope 17:23, 13 January 2008 (EST)
You don't even make sense Radioactive afikomen. --75.89.115.231 22:18, 13 January 2008 (EST)
The point is that it's pointless. There is very little to gain from protecting a single page. Sure, whoop-de-doo, it's protected... and? It's Security Theater. It doesn't stop wandals from moving or editing everything else, and one of us is usually around to revert such things, anyway.
This is sorta how CP started off
• They got hit by regular wandals... and locked various pages (at high times, a single wandal edit could lead to months of full protection). Note how they did not actually solve the problem.
• They got hit by "on Wheels" wandals... and reacted by taking away move rights.
• They got hit by wandals who uploaded pr0n images... and reacted by taking away upload rights.
• They got hit by wandals who waited for phases of inactivity (Fun fact: There were more inactive phases after they banned tons of people who fought wandals at such times)... and reacted by taking away "night-time" edit rights.
Do you see a pattern? Somebody who is determined to wandalize will wandalize. Take away one target, and they find new ones. Take away a method, and they come up with new ones.
The initial point had some merit, of course. But the thing is that it wouldn't make much of a difference. Both because of the fact that it doesn't actually do anything to prevent wandalism, and because the damage is minimal. Over the last 30 or so days, the Main Page was moved three times. Each time, the move was undone within two minutes.
I hope this helps a bit when it comes to explaining our reasoning when it comes to these things. :) --Sid 22:49, 13 January 2008 (EST)
You made a very good argument, Sid. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 23:12, 13 January 2008 (EST)

OK But why not protect it from moves, no one should have a need to move it. Ajuk 08:31, 14 January 2008 (EST)

But we have protected it, four times. And why are you so concerned? And, as an editor here, who are you calling "you"? We're an us! human 08:42, 14 January 2008 (EST)
Except for, you know... T-H-E-M. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 08:50, 14 January 2008 (EST)

##  huh

why does it say i have new messages 85.195.123.25

That usually means someone's edited your talk page. --SockOfGulik 17:24, 15 January 2008 (EST)

##  hi

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgBlockAllowsUTEdit thought u might want to look at that 62.112.158.213

What about it? tmtoulouse persecute 22:34, 13 January 2008 (EST)
It allows blocked users to edit there user talk page, like to request unblocking. I like that idea.Also, they have it at wikipedia. --62.112.158.213
It also allows people to continue the spamming or taunting they got blocked for. Keywords: Metapedia, New Gwenson, etc. I believe we see the blocks (which are usually just in the range of minutes to hours, except for more severe cases and repeat offenders, which get days and so on) as a time-out option.
And most of us got their mail enabled, plus there is the forum. I believe Wikipedia needs the system it has because there are tons more cases, so it's impossible to check whether all blocks are justified or not. We on the other hand move slowly enough to notice blocks in the Recent Changes, and sysops have often questioned or overturned the decisions of others without the blocked user having to file an appeal. --Sid 08:59, 14 January 2008 (EST)

## What's with all the state and province articles?

So don't answer my last statement with "We are here to PARTY!", however tempting it may be.
There is a glut of articles here covering many/most of the member states of the US and the provinces of Canada. The issue is, what the hell do any of these articles have to do with the purpose of RationalWiki? As stated on the Main Page:
Our purpose here at RationalWiki includes the following:
1. Analyzing and refuting the anti-science movement, ideas and people.
2. Analyzing and refuting the full range of crank ideas.
3. Explorations of authoritarianism and fundamentalism.

We are not "GeographyWiki" or "State-Province-and-NationWiki". We are not a wannabe Wikipedia. We are RationalWiki. It is to that purpose that I hereby propose a set of requirements for any article with a city, state, province, or nation as its primary subject:

1. The article itself must directly contribute to the understanding of one of the issues named on the Main Page.
2. In order to do so, the article must primarily deal with the sociopolitical environment of the city/state/province/nation, for the implicit purpose of furthering the readers' understanding of the outcome or origins of a science, religion, or crank-related event or issue.

Any province/nation-related articles not falling under these qualifications are arguably irrelevant, and serious thought should be put into their deletion or relocation into the Funspace.

It concerns me that we waste our efforts into having articles for all fifty US states and all ten Canadian provinces, when we should be putting more effort into dealing with pseudoscience, a much more important and dire issue. Even worse, most of the state and province articles amount to joke articles, making them deadweight to the cause.

It is time we reasserted what we are here for. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 04:13, 15 January 2008 (EST)

You are right. But whatever the official purpose of RW, the main reason most are here is the Lulz. Usually it is aimed at CP (rightfully), at times it wanders elsewhere (see Alcohol). To be honest, I wouldn't take RW's purpose too seriously (did I warrant myself a block with this?). Ed @but not the Poor one! 04:18, 15 January 2008 (EST)
Miao, Miau, Meow, whatever, sorry cat, didn't know you were felix seriosus. Ed @but not the Poor one! 04:28, 15 January 2008 (EST)
I must admit that I've had some doubts about the state and province stuff myself. My purpose here is most certainly not lutz at the expense of CP. I almost never go there. If lutz is involved it should be at the expense of any and all all pseudoscience.--Bobbing up 04:44, 15 January 2008 (EST)
As the principal instaigator of the 50 US State articles, my rationsls were these: One, they are likely to get linked frequently, so having them makes life easier. Two, there is a loose consistency to them (I decorated them all with their state quarter picture, for instance), and three, they can be "on mission" to varying degrees - stories of racism and the anti-science and authoritarian/anti-authoritarian issues in the US often devolve to the state level, with individual states often being famous for various stupidities. To an extent this would apply to any country that is federal in nature - ie, where the subdivisions have a lot of autonomy. So Canada fits that fairly well, but, for instance, the British counties less so.
Also, to an extent, it's not wasted effort - a person adding to one of these articles may not have any PS related things on their mind at that moment, but they want to contribute.
That's just my opinion, of course. human 07:50, 15 January 2008 (EST)
Isn't that exactly what I proposed, that they deal with the sociopolitical environment of the location in question, to further one's understanding of an issue? And really, why are we linking to the state articles? Where in this wiki is it actually relevant to link to the state? Can't we just link to Wikipedia and save ourselves the trouble? Because, like I said, most of them are not particularly informative. Unless you got big plans for them I'm unaware of. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 13:01, 15 January 2008 (EST)
No, it's not what you proposed, exactly. Some are stubby, but all of them give information missing from the hopelessly fact and NPOV biased wikipedia. And most contain some of the RW POV, and will likely accumulate more of it over time. human 14:28, 15 January 2008 (EST)
Fine, fine, I'll stop with my intellectual purity jihad. But at the very least, can we move them to the Funspace? I don't see what the big stigma is with putting articles there. Is the Funspace just where articles go to die then? -- Radioactive Misanthrope 15:44, 15 January 2008 (EST)
Kind of, yes. They will rarely get linked to, etc. You know how many links would have to be fixed if we moved those 60 or so articles to fun? Anyway, many of them are growing fast! human 15:48, 15 January 2008 (EST)
Well, why? Why don't we link to the funspace more? I mean, the essays and debates get their own namespaces, but they don't serve as article graveyards. Scratch that, I guess they do. In order to boost the other namespaces, how about in every article, in the See Also section, there's a link to either an essay, a debate, or a funspace article? -- Radioactive Misanthrope 18:35, 15 January 2008 (EST)

<-Here's why. Let's say, someone is writing an article, oh, on say the Waco conflagration. When they type "Texas", maybe they thing they should link it, since Texas is a place... a place where strange... a place where strange things happen (Sorry, channeling David Byrne briefly). Are they going to type (inside the brackets) "fun:Texas|Texas", or simply "Texas"? Pleaz I can haz mai Statz articlz? Wai do Yu hait me? human 21:09, 15 January 2008 (EST)

##  Huckabee is fucking insane

American theocracy. Talk amongst yourselves. I'd like to add that I don't think Huckabee is an American. I'm sorry, but calling for a theocracy is so flagrantly against everything this country stands for, that it's practically like calling for a dictatorship.-αmεσ (orator) 15:49, 15 January 2008 (EST)

God hates Huckabee. 209.17.190.78 16:04, 15 January 2008 (EST)
If he wins, I leave.Pinto's5150 Talk 16:35, 15 January 2008 (EST)
I'm with C.S. Lewis on this one--a Theocracy is WORSE than a dictatorship. The scary thing is that this will almost certainly play well with the Fundamentalist crowd who are his biggest supporters. I just hope it scares the Plutocratic wing of the GOP enough to cut Huck off at the knees. --SockOfGulik 18:27, 15 January 2008 (EST)

##  Just Cruising

Anybody seen all that Tom Cruise/Scientology video (excerpts have just been on BBC world news) - whacky or what? SusanPurrrrrrr 15:46, 16 January 2008 (EST)

They are the most fantastic things I have see in ages. Gawker is hosting the interview one, but the second one - of Cruise speaking at the IAS awards ceremony - seems to have been pulled almost everywhere. The unbelievable arrogance of that man beggars belief. How someone who is so clearly a total idiot can be taken seriously is beyond me. DogP 02:01, 21 January 2008 (EST)

##  RationalBlogs

Haven't we been wanting to create a RationalBlogs page, or something? Have we? I haven't been paying attention. Regardless, I had a thought: what if we started a RationalBlogs project, and displayed it on the front page, like as a wiki-based template, with daily articles? That would combine the sites and make our front page a little more contemporary.-αmεσ (orator) 13:59, 17 January 2008 (EST)

...And a lot less like a wiki. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 15:31, 17 January 2008 (EST)
But we're not supposed to be a wiki in the sense of encyclopedia. We're supposed to be a wiki in ease of use, as a vehicle for snarkitude.-αmεσ (orator) 15:32, 17 January 2008 (EST)
Most blogs are vehicles for narcissism. If you want to write about personal observations of something, why not use the essayspace? And as I recall, blogs are no more "contemporary" than wikis—both are about the same age. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 15:40, 17 January 2008 (EST)
My main goal would be to jazz up the frontpage; I think it'd be better for the site (add more highly visible snark) and help direct the mission away from CP, just by making it more visible. The front-page blog thing would, I think, be a good vehicle for that; another would be featured content on the frontpage (article of the week or something); either one would accomplish the goal, really.-αmεσ (orator) 15:41, 17 January 2008 (EST)
Blogs do offer something extra, in that it is a dedicated space for your narcissism. Anyone wishing to read it has a place to go every time---the blogosphere runs on a different kind of gerbil than the wikisphere. If anyone is interested, the blog space is essentially beta, but doable. I haven't migrated my blog there yet, but I'm working on it. Linus has the keys, and I have just enough powerz to screw it up pretty good. Let me know if any interest. One advantage to essayspace here is if you don't plan on writing frequently. Blogs only survive by constant feeding, whereas I often peek over our essay space from time to time. User:PalMD
What about a featured essay/article space to the frontpage? That would (1) generate content (2) publicize it well and (3) incidentally redirect the mission. It could be once a week; I'd help on a group of poeple who worked on updating it. I like that idea better than my original one... thanks guys for the redirect... By the way, have to brag - up to 117 stars in Super Mario Galaxy! Freakin hard. Ummm... law school is hard... yeah.αmεσ (orator) 15:48, 17 January 2008 (EST)
If people are willing to write regularly on tehblogz then that could work. Collaborative blogs often work well, as the task of generating daily content doesn't wear on folks so bad. Currently I write all my own stuffs, and I don't usually do the "today's post is look at this YouTube thing". The only one on rational blogs being updated fairly regularly is http://god.rationalblogs.org. If I get mine working, that would be two. I like the idea of the wiki and the blogs feeding off each other---it would bring more contributors. I'll go with the crowd on this one. I've been scared to finish migrating my blog as the Wordpress Mu we are using is slightly different from the one Wordpress uses and it makes me feel small and scared like a lost child in the woods if there is a storm and it is late fall and it gets dark early and its windy and mom and dad are far away and my friends said "meet us at the old cemetary" but they aren't there...162.82.215.199 16:13, 17 January 2008 (EST)
So maybe a featured article/ssay would be a good idea? And then provide links to RationalBlogs?-αmεσ (orator) 16:24, 17 January 2008 (EST)
Well, this means creating some sort of process for featuring them. There are two directions we can go with that: vote democratically, a la Uncyclopedia, or let sysops pick them, as on Wikipedia. Then again, our user community is small enough, and just as importantly, trustworthy enough, that whatever nonexistant system we have may work just fine. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 17:02, 17 January 2008 (EST)
If we want to do this (and I hope we do), I suggest doing full voting: propose a butt-ton of them, and then go in order, say once every two days, of the most votes received. THis will mean we'll have to spend a lot of time fixing up some mission articles, but I don't see how that's a bad thing :-). Does anyone want to start compiling a list?-αmεσ (orator) 17:05, 17 January 2008 (EST)
Yah, they're all listed on my userpage.  :) -- Radioactive Misanthrope 17:17, 17 January 2008 (EST)

I think the idea is not even clearly stated, so I don't have much comment, since I can't figure out what it is. You folks are aware of the links in the "featured content" section, right? And that it is generated by articles that have been catted "best of..." one of several broad groups? And, last I checked, our blogs aren't exactly "best of" - at least not until Doc ports his over and there is at least one more. human 20:34, 17 January 2008 (EST)

In regards to the original idea, I think that the reaction speed of RW could work to our benefit when the media starts talking up a new science-related "issue". While Wikipedia would probably have a comprehensive article on this, it would be NPOV and address all of the additional things surrounding it - it's history, any related ideas, the main players, etc. We, at RW, could create an article based solely on the validity of the theory (or the comment made by the high profile jesus-freak/sleazebag/nazi) and tear it apart based on science, and we wouldn't have to be neutral. For example, when Mike Huckabee says that the bumblebee can't fly, we respond with a rip-roaring, throat-tearing article regarding bumblebee flight. --Hojidie! 21:00, 18 January 2008 (EST)

## New user rights change

Okay the most annoying form of vandalism to clean up is "move" vandalism, so I have decided to make that type of vandalism more difficult. I have removed the right to move pages from newly created accounts. Once an account has been active for 3 days and has made a handful of edits it will have full rights to move pages. I don't think this will be a major issue as I don't think moving a page is something that brand new users have to have access to. Discuss? tmtoulouse persecute 13:44, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Thank you. Pinto's5150 Talk 13:51, 18 January 2008 (EST)
Very good. Thank you. --Edgerunner76 13:52, 18 January 2008 (EST)
Sounds good to me.--Bobbing up 13:53, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Hoorah! SusanPurrrrrrr 13:56, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Thanks, I had to fix some nasty wheelsworks the other day... human 14:13, 18 January 2008 (EST)

### Along these lines

I mentioned this elsewhere. Can't we unblock TK, but hobble his username horribly? :) --Edgerunner76 13:57, 18 January 2008 (EST)

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SusanPurrrrrrr 14:03, 18 January 2008 (EST)
Well, we know that no matter how long the block is, he'll be back... 54 days seems a bit long. --Hojidie! 04:01, 19 January 2008 (EST)

##  Weird error.

Just got: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_IF in /home/rationa1/public_html/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 51 --Bobbing up 14:10, 18 January 2008 (EST)

I know...okay I thought it would be simple...I will move over to rationalbeta. 67.193.48.83 14:12, 18 January 2008 (EST)
Trent broke the wiki, Trent broke the wiki!!! human 14:16, 18 January 2008 (EST)

## Maybe we ought to...

...consider blocking anon. edits for a while. Thoughts? --Edgerunner76 15:17, 18 January 2008 (EST)

The Time Is Near! — Unsigned, by: bunchanumbers / talk / contribs

How about we protect the stuff they are going after for a day or two? Most of it doesn't need editing often. I protected the holydays template yesterday, since I see no reason to let wandals mess our MLK message, and I'll unprotect it Tuesday.
I think someone not too bright is actually mounting a concerted "attack" on us, it's easy to fix but a time waster.
Suggested pages to lock for 24 hours: Main; its templates (unless that's automatic); what else are the major targets? The slogan? Thoughts, anyone? human 15:32, 18 January 2008 (EST)
Ip's will, of course, just make usernames.
Maybe even a shorter protection time period would work, say 4 hours? It's probably worse during the day when there are fewer people around to clean up the messes. I believe that if cascading protection is on, the templates on main will be protected automatically. Also, just a thought for the more wiki-savvy to consider, is there a way to assign targeted pages to a "Kill Switch List" so that, when any 'crat or whatever hits the Magic Kill Switch all the pages on the list get protected for a limited time under X-treme circumstances? Might be useful.--Bayesupdate 15:43, 18 January 2008 (EST)
Re: your second point - I think it might be do-able. There is a "cascading protection" file, where files entered cannot be edited except by sysops. Perhaps a commented-out section there might do that. And, hey, vandals will mess around elsewhere, but at least it would remove the obvious targets instantly. human 15:46, 18 January 2008 (EST)
You know, before we booted TK, we wouldn't be agreeing to this stuff. I hate to pull the slippery slope argument, but even a couple of days ago, this was not being seriously discussed. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 03:08, 19 January 2008 (EST)
P.S. I just got my wisdom teeth removed and I'm on Percaset. So if my writing sounds loopy, let me know. Legal drugs are fun! -- Radioactive Misanthrope 03:08, 19 January 2008 (EST)
Before TK got booted, we couldn't even discuss any of this without a five-paragraph rant about how we're "just like Andy" for using any sort of anti-wandalism tools. --Kels 06:45, 19 January 2008 (EST)

(undent) Agree with R/a. I like that (where was it?) idea about limiting new & IP editors to say 1 edit per hour or some such. SusanPurrrrrrr 03:15, 19 January 2008 (EST)

...Are you sure you're not the one on Percoset? Because I couldn't tell if you were for or against it. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 03:32, 19 January 2008 (EST)

(shouts) I. AGREE. WITH. YOU. ! OK? SusanPurrrrrrr 04:25, 19 January 2008 (EST) (I'm actually on sleep deprivation - it's now 0922 here & I last awoke @ 0600 yesterday)

LOCKITUPLOCKITUPLOCKITUP!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! NIGHTLY LOCKDOWN!!!! MINIMUM BLOCK LENGHT 5 DECADES!!!! REPORT VANDALS TO THE FBI/CIA/KGB/GREENPEACE!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! — Unsigned, by: 87.14.239.124 / talk / contribs

See? Karajou does read us! --Kels 06:40, 19 January 2008 (EST)

More seriously, I think an hour is a bit much. How about 1 edit per 10 minutes (or even 5) or anons? That way if it's a vandal spree, it's much easier to clean up. And more chance to get words in on edit warring. --Kels 06:43, 19 January 2008 (EST)

If it's doable: limit anon and new editor posting to one per five minutes. Remove limit on new editor posting after they have been members for one day. Automatically re-instate posting limit following any block longer that 30 minutes.--Bobbing up 07:46, 19 January 2008 (EST)
Err, before we get all involved in this it should be noted that um the rate limiter is not working. 24.141.166.242 12:21, 19 January 2008 (EST)
It's not a big rush or anything. Perhaps something to put on the "to-do" list for when it does get working? --Kels 12:29, 19 January 2008 (EST)

##  South Carolina

South Carolina strikes a blow for ... stupidity? Ames, get your Letter to Florida ready for 'cc'ing to SC SusanPurrrrrrr 10:22, 21 January 2008 (EST)

## Finished Graph (again)

The Moral Matrix graph has been refinished, with added scores, for all to see here. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 17:26, 21 January 2008 (EST)

My dot's still wrong. :S GrandSoviet 17:35, 21 January 2008 (EST)
I know. But you didn't provide the correct coordinates, so I left it as it is. If you would be so kink as to supply the correct ones... -- Radioactive Misanthrope 17:37, 21 January 2008 (EST)
Can we try to keep this stuff over at the new file now? (oh, and let's leave the note at the top of the page as "sticky"?) human 17:53, 21 January 2008 (EST)

## The Dark Lord has come

I have arrived! COWER BEFORE REVERSE'd HUMAN!!! -- seulcnamuħ   19:04, 21 January 2008 (EST)

##  Huh?

You must be a registered user and logged in to move a page.

Its keeps giving me that error everytime I try to move a page, even though I am logged in. --Delca Lacor 23:07, 22 January 2008 (EST)

What are you trying to move? human 11:07, 23 January 2008 (EST)
Did TMT manage it then? SusanPurrrrrrr 11:18, 23 January 2008 (EST)

## HEY EVERYONE

CP still has editing on - and Andy's Missing in Action - go nuts!!!--Danielfolsom 00:29, 23 January 2008 (EST)

It just occurred to me—truth be told I've wondered this for a while—, but our goat-meme may come off to strangers as uncomfortably close to bestiality. In fact, if Conservapedia ever refutes us, they would probably put that down on their list: "goat-passion". -- Radioactive Misanthrope 14:35, 23 January 2008 (EST)

It's not bestiality, it's idolatry. human 15:18, 23 January 2008 (EST)
But how do you go around explaining to people that you love goats? -- Radioactive Misanthrope 15:29, 23 January 2008 (EST)
I guess it's just one of those things that the wider society will never fully understand. :-( --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:32, 23 January 2008 (EST)

## Laugh of the Day

Blood pressure too high? Feeling stressed? Take a look at the pictures below and feel the pounds melt away! -- Radioactive Misanthrope 15:01, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Satan punishes Darwin.
Jesus rides into Jerusalem upon his Holy Ass (Young Earth Creationist version).

I thought Jesus' enormous nutsack forced him to ride sidesaddle? human 15:19, 23 January 2008 (EST)
It's a special ass  :) -- Radioactive Misanthrope 15:28, 23 January 2008 (EST)
"Enormous nutsack"? Now where did that one come from? --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:54, 23 January 2008 (EST)
The Gospel of One Ms. Magdelane, of course! Hey if you were Jesus, wouldn't you have an enormous nutsack? You turn water into wine, sugar into cocaine, and hamsters into horses! Behold, the Messiah!!! human 16:00, 23 January 2008 (EST)
Well... I haven't really thought about it that way, but I guess it makes sense. On a certain level. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:05, 23 January 2008 (EST)
Hmmmm. Is there an article on this on CP? Genghis Marauding 16:10, 23 January 2008 (EST)
If there isn't then they must not be true Christians. --BillOhannitygodvelocity. 16:37, 23 January 2008 (EST)

##  Exorcism

From "According To": "...the answer, apparently, is to return to the 1100s. Yes, exorcism is back." I eagerly, yet patiently, await further details on what is so particularly 12th century about exorcism. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 09:23, 24 January 2008 (EST)

It was invented in the 12th century, and is therefore useless... just like trebuchets and science. GrandSoviet 18:37, 24 January 2008 (EST)

##  GOOD MORNING TO YOUI ALL!!!!!

What a grand day the lord has blessed us with! Why this must be day number 6,230! Anyways, enough silliness. I want to thank all rationalwiki users and creators on bring the age of englightment back from the brink. I have foolishly tried to help conservapedians with their science and the like but have been getting in to trouble with them. In particular the user know as Phillip.J.Rayment has been giving me grief when I use National Geographic as a reference because it is so full of liberal deciet. MikeyMike

NatGeo also has titties. It's all bad! human 17:19, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Well, Rayment is loosing his head with me over on the YEC page at conservapedia. Please have a gander at my debates on the talk page. I stared a section on craters under MetcalfeM MikeyMike

PJR may say that the journal Science is too liberal for a science article... Sterilexx 17:33, 24 January 2008 (EST)
Creationists have answeres for everything... just not answers that are satisfying in any way after anything more than a cursory glance. I mean, it's one thing to say, "meteors bombarded the planet during the flood" or, "plants survived the flood by floating on masses of vegetation," but it's a completely different matter to analyze the implications of those claims. GrandSoviet 19:23, 24 January 2008 (EST)
You can lead a horse's ass to data, but you can't make them think. --Gulik 21:01, 24 January 2008 (EST)
That's one of the best lines I've ever heard here, Gulik. Must remember to quote you...  :) -- Radioactive Misanthrope 21:14, 24 January 2008 (EST)

I think you're doing a very admirable job over threre MikeyMike; I see PJ has already made several concessions. UchihaKATON! 22:22, 24 January 2008 (EST)

##  Jesus potato

[1] This is typical liberal placement bias on the part of mother nature, putting Jesus on the inside of the potato and covering it with a peel. He should be on the outside where it would have been easier for everyone to see. --BillOhannitygodvelocity. 10:06, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Oh dear. I think I need to go and cry quietly in dismay for a little while. :-( --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 10:13, 26 January 2008 (EST)
Gotta admit, it's a pretty good likeness of a guy who never had a portrait done, and nobody alive has ever seen. --Kels 10:17, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Say, I just realized what a piker Jesus is. He shows up in one potato(e). One! But Santa Claus appears in every peanut! --Kels 10:22, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Only one potato, perhaps, but how many tortillas, potato chips, stains, bricks,driver's licenses,etc? If you consider all possible media I'm fairly certain Jeez' wins out. P.S. PEANUTS too! --BillOhannitygodvelocity. 10:36, 26 January 2008 (EST)

##  Attention RWians...

I'm currently making a userbox to display our Moral Matrix results; it is indeed similar to the Political Compass userbox. My question is this: The Political Compass goes out to the left 10 units from the centerpoint, 10 units to the right, 10 units down, and 10 units up; The Moral Politics chart does almost the same thing, only with 8 units. In the part of the PC userbox code that tells the point where to be located, there is something about the number 2.5; I'm assuming this perhaps has something to do with the 10 units, but I am unsure. My question is thus: How should I edit the code ever-so-slightly to change the 10-unit system into an 8-unit system? Can someone help me? ŖєuĻєuxsay wнäτ? 21:38, 26 January 2008 (EST)

As a random guess, I'd change the 2.5 to 2 (2.5/10 = 2.0/8). ThunderkatzHo! 21:44, 26 January 2008 (EST)
Thanks, I'll try that and see how it goes! ŖєuĻєuxsay wнäτ? 21:50, 26 January 2008 (EST)
Well, I tried your suggestion and nothing exploded. Thanks for your help! You can view the newly minted 'box here. ŖєuĻєuxsay wнäτ? 21:56, 26 January 2008 (EST)
So I think i was wrong in telling you 2; if anything, it should be 3.125 (10 * 2.5 = 8 * 3.125). But I tried that, and it didn't work. The current box still goes out to 10, so something needs to be done. ThunderkatzHo! 22:59, 26 January 2008 (EST)
I don't know why, but 2.5 works out exactly for you. If anything, the political compass one should be times 2, not 2.5. ThunderkatzHo! 23:10, 26 January 2008 (EST)

That conservapedia stuff is pretty good. You need more trolling, though. That would be funnier. Also, this shit is on the front page. You guys are kinda lazy, eh?

lol wut --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

## 5th edition RW Moral Matrix graph!

Since no one seemed to notice the posting of the most recent graph on the Moral Matrix page, I'll display it again here, so you guys will actually look at it. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 04:27, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Eh, sorry Stile4aly and Reuleaux, I haven't gotten around to adding you yet. 'Tis forthcoming. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 04:36, 27 January 2008 (EST)

##  Well the bastards got me!

Schlafly didnt like the colour of my money and, wham!, "The block was made by Aschlafly. The reason given is enormous violation of 90/10 rule against talk, talk, talk."

Thats it for me, I took the piss out of him (by piss I mean indulged in deceit - obviously) and laughed at him. I was making good progess also. MikeyMike

That's too bad. Hope you'll continue your enormous amount of talk, talk, talk here - unlike CP, we're always happy to have more valuable talk. :-) --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 21:12, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Yeah, why not. I know it has more than likely been said before (many times no doubt) around here but I have been truly and totally gobsmacked by the ridiculous rubbish spouted by Andrew "holier than thou" Schlafly and his minions. Some of it kept me awake at night, I just cant believe it. There are really people out there like that, people who have no idea, are completely ignorant and seemingly happy to appear stupid. The mind boggles... MikeyMike

Well, you're well within the bounds of our 99999999/1 rule. 99999999 Talk. 1 Mainspace. Pinto's5150 Talk 21:42, 27 January 2008 (EST)

## T-Shirt slogans for 2008

1. Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers
2. Honk If Your Religious Beliefs Make You An Asshole
3. Intelligent Design Makes My Monkey Cry
4. Too Stupid to Understand Science? Try Religion.
5. There’s A REASON Why Atheists Don’t Fly Planes Into Buildings
6. “Worship Me or I Will Torture You Forever. Have a Nice Day.”­ God.
7. God Doesn’t Kill People. People Who Believe in God Kill People.
8. If There is No God, Then What Makes the Next Kleenex Pop Up?
9. He’s Dead. It’s Been 2,000 years.
He’s Not Coming Back.
10. All religion is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry. —Edgar Allen Poe.
11. Viva La Evolución!
12. Actually, If You Look It Up, The Winter Solstice Is The Reason For The Season
13. I Wouldn’t Trust Your God Even If He Did Exist
14. Cheeses Is Lard. Argue With THAT If You Can.
15. People Who Don’t Want Their Beliefs Laughed at Shouldn’t Have Such Funny Beliefs
16. Jesus is Coming? Don’t Swallow That.
17. Threatening Children With Hell Is FUN!
18. GOD - APPLY DIRECTLY TO FOREHEAD!
19. Jesus Told Me Republicans SUCK
20. God + Whacky Tobacky = Platypus
21. God Doesn’t Exist. So, I Guess That Means No One Loves You.
22. When the Rapture Comes, We’ll Get Our Country Back!
23. Q. How Do We Know the Holy Ghost Was Catholic?
A. He Used the Rhythm Method Instead of a Condom.
24. You Say “Heretic” Like It Was a BAD Thing
25. I Love Christians. They Taste Like Chicken.
26. Science: It Works, Bitches.
27. “Intelligent Design” Helping Stupid People Feel Smart Since 1987
28. I Found God Between The Sheets
29. I Gave Up Superstitious Mumbo Jumbo For Lent
30. My Flying Monkey Can Beat Up Your Guardian Angel
31. Every Time You Play With Yourself, God Kills a Kitten
32. If God Wanted People to Believe in Him, Then Why Did He Invent Logic?
33. Praying Is Politically Correct Schizophrenia
34. ALL Americans Are African Americans
35. I Forget - Which Day Did God Make All The Fossils?
36. I Was An Atheist Until The Hindus Convinced Me That I Was God
37. The Spanish Inquisition: The Original Faith-based Initiative
38. If we were made in his image, when why aren’t humans invisible too?
39. JESUS SAVES….You From Thinking For Yourself
40. How Can You Disbelieve in Evolution If You Can’t Even Define It?
A. If He Hates All the Same People You Do.
42. Every Time You See a Rainbow, God is Having Gay Sex
43. I Went to Public School in Kansas and All I Got Was This Lousy T-shirt and a Poor Understanding of the Scientific Method.
44. WWJD = We Won. Jesus Died.
45. The Family That Prays Together is Brainwashing the Children
46. Oh, Look, Honey Another Pro-lifer For War
47. Another Godless Atheist for Peace and World Harmony
49. When Lip Service to Some Mysterious Deity Permits Bestiality on
Wednesday and Absolution on Sundays, Cash Me Out. —Frank Sinatra.
50. No Gods. No Mullets.
MikeyMike

## RationalWiki:Random coverstory

Please have look & give your vote SusanPurrrrrrr 23:18, 27 January 2008 (EST)

I propose that (since this idea seems well on its way to acceptance) we immediately promote all the articles in the "best of" science, pseudoscience, religion, and politics categories to cover|approved, to save time discussing them individually. Thoughts? Feelings? Subconscious rumblings? human 14:56, 29 January 2008 (EST)
I haven't paid attention to this effort, and don't feel particularly motivated to. But as one who prides himself on randomly barging in on other people's threads, I feel compelled to leave this comment. Cheers for whatever the hell it is your doing/proposing. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 15:55, 29 January 2008 (EST)
Thanks! Damn, you set off the Geiger counter again. And I'm already overexposed for the month... human 15:57, 29 January 2008 (EST)

##  Relativity and Aschlafly

Jeeeeeesus! Has anyone read the talk page for Theory of Relativity on Conseravpedia? Aschlafly goes totally bananas and, well, its quite insane. MikeyMike

I do believe we have an article on the topic... let's see if this link is blue... conservapedia:conservapedian relativity... yup. human 16:38, 29 January 2008 (EST)

ahhhhh amusing....... MikeyMike

It's to be expected, though, when they've booted just about everyone with any kind of scientific background since science, along with most of the rest of this thing we call reality has a liberal bias. I'm amazed that some of the scientific articles I wrote are still up. --BillOhannitygodvelocity. 19:02, 29 January 2008 (EST)
(you probably hit an extra tilde, 5 yields just the timestamp, 3 is just the signature) human <-- like that, or like this --> 19:17, 29 January 2008 (EST)

I was just unaware that Andrew Schlafly has some many talents. Nevermind his indepth knowledge of Relativity he also claims to a engineer, a lawyer, a teacher and even a authority in English language. I know that everyone probably knows all this but I am still in awe of his abilities. If he were a scientologist, he would be a Thetan Level 8. MikeyMike

Or if he were Catholic, he'd be the Pope. --Stabbythe Misanthrope, essayist 22:35, 29 January 2008 (EST)
As it is, he's just a two bit hack with his own personal wacked out blog. PoorEd
HAHAHAHAHAHA UR SOO FUNNY
— Unsigned, by: 87.9.233.70 / talk / contribs
no u. Kirkburn 18:55, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Quite a few of you may alreayd know of this, but the Bad Astronomy blog and related website is a pretty good resource for pseudoscience debunking. Kirkburn 18:52, 30 January 2008 (EST)

## Waterboarding

I tried getting some RW press in the story but the reporter didn't bite on it...here is the story. My friend should be submitting a "guest" essay to our site about the experience and I would like to give it a little play but can worry about it tomorrow. So now that I am a torturer I guess I won't be let back into the country. tmtoulouse persecute 00:40, 31 January 2008 (EST)

Interesting. Famous for torturing your friend, that will look good on a job application :P - Icewedge 02:15, 31 January 2008 (EST)
If he's trying to get a job wiht the US government, it might.  :(
And he's not the first person to try this.  ::
 “”I'll put it this way. If I had the choice of being waterboarded by a third party or having my fingers smashed one at a time by a sledgehammer, I'd take the fingers, no question.
--Gulik 04:33, 31 January 2008 (EST)
Wow, I just caught the Journal article....162.82.215.199 14:56, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Wow, just wow. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

## talk.origins

I've seen it mentioned in passing by numerous comments on scienceblogs that Andrew and Roger Schlafly were quite well known for the "jaw-dropping stupidity" (as one comment put it) of their anti-evolution arguments on talk.origins. Anyone here know anything about this, or is perhaps willing to look into it? 'Could be interesting... -- Radioactive Misanthrope 06:35, 31 January 2008 (EST)

Eh, nevermind. I came across links to that on the Andy love shrine. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 07:07, 31 January 2008 (EST)
I think I've seen Andy elsewhere, too, where he quickly became well known as a fool & complete tool. There was some discussion of Devil's Mountain somewhere where he kept arguing that it was "obviously" formed during a huge flood. human 11:59, 31 January 2008 (EST)
On a side note, anybody knows/remembers talk.origins regular Ray Martinez, who was too extreme even for Conservapedia and was banhammered? Editor at CPBring TK back 12:17, 31 January 2008 (EST)
Oh, I know Ray well. His particular brand of insanity continues unabated at talk.origins where I occassionally delurk. Stile4aly 13:53, 31 January 2008 (EST)

##  Liquidity

Hey folks, it's a new month, and that means Trent gotsta pay another round of bills. Let's see if we can't Pi up some legal tender and soften the blow to his Ramen noodle eating grad student budget? human 18:26, 2 February 2008 (EST)

They make really good extra special ramen now. Like new flavors and stuff.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 18:35, 2 February 2008 (EST)
I like the extra spicy stuff, is tasty. --Kels 18:38, 2 February 2008 (EST)
I think I contracted \$pi/month - It confused me somewhat & I'll wait to see this month's bank statement. SusanPurrrrrrr 18:44, 2 February 2008 (EST)
"Contracted"? Wait... is it a disease? IS IT CONTAGIOUS?! Oh, God... *rushes off to check bank statement* -- Radioactive Misanthrope 18:58, 2 February 2008 (EST)
Heh! I've had pi for ages now - there's no immediate outward symptoms, but an irrational desire to eat things enclosed in pastry can be fattening if not controlled. SusanPurrrrrrr 19:41, 2 February 2008 (EST)
Mmm, Sweeny Todd... --Kels 19:52, 2 February 2008 (EST)

##  Brittney

Does anyone else feel sorry for her? Poor little rich girl (not sarcastic). SusanPurrrrrrr 20:26, 2 February 2008 (EST)

In the mental illness sense, yes. And in the taken advantage of by many people (probably including her family) but abandoned when things started to go off the rails. Not that she hasn't been party to her own exploitation at various points, of course. --Kels 20:39, 2 February 2008 (EST)
How can we blame this one on president Bush? user talk:Bohdan 20:56, 2 February 2008 (EST)

Well, that kills this thread for me - B*****n sticks his nose in - bye bye me. SusanPurrrrrrr 21:01, 2 February 2008 (EST)

I just hope she gets her shit together. Will she need help to do so? Maybe, but at least she can afford it. That's all, folks. human 21:10, 2 February 2008 (EST)
We shouldn't blame Bush for this one. He's not smart enough to be responsible for everything bad that happens. assume $a=a$ 21:30, 2 February 2008 (EST)
No, but, sadly, CP will probably try to make anti-liberal hay. Shit, just let the woman figure her life out on her own. Privacy is both a conservative and a liberal value, is it not? human 21:59, 2 February 2008 (EST)
I read an interesting book a while back: A Massive Swelling: Celebrity Re-examined As A Grotesque Crippling Disease. It's a set of bile-saturated (but FUNNY) articles about how American-style Famousness warps the lives of both the Celebrities _and_ their worshippers. --Gulik 15:55, 4 February 2008 (EST)

## Ha Ha Ha

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hah ha ha ha ha ha HA.-- 22:37, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Sports Illustrated is the handiwork of the Devil. -- Radioactive Misanthrope 22:42, 3 February 2008 (EST)
And trust CP to mangle the language in their main page reportage of the game! "New York Giants ends the Pats' perfect season..." human 14:12, 4 February 2008 (EST)
"Sports Illustrated is the handiwork of the Devil" - Is that just the swimsuit edition or all issues? Genghis Marauding 17:18, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Everything but the swimsuit issues.  ;-) -- Radioactive Misanthrope 19:21, 4 February 2008 (EST)

## Crisis on RationalWiki!

Should we change the block reasons to reflect the fact that Bohdan has been renamed to Oscar? And, oh God, do I have to change my wandalism to reflect his new name, too?! -- Radioactive Misanthrope 23:12, 3 February 2008 (EST)

I dunno, that's a tough call. Keeping it all "Bohdan" will slowly turn into a bizarre in-joke. Changing it to Oscar, just seems, I dunno, the sort of thing Bohdan would have wanted. I vote for keeping the Bohdan meme alive. But maybe we should write an article on the phenomenon to make things clear to new wandals? human 13:59, 4 February 2008 (EST)

##  IRC channel

Would it not be a good idea to advertise this a bit more? Like on the Main Page or in the Sidebar? My wiki gets a fairly stable 80 people online at a time, though, admittedly, it's a mite bigger than RW. Kirkburn 14:05, 4 February 2008 (EST)

Anyone know an IRC client for Pocket Windoze? (sorry - its all I got) SusanPurrrrrrr 16:15, 4 February 2008 (EST)
These, perhaps? I don't personally know any of them, I use XChat, but that may not work. Kirkburn 16:55, 4 February 2008 (EST)
I find an SSH client + a shell account on a handy unix server + irssi works the best for all sorts of mobile devices. Plus it's signal loss due to tunnels resistant for most common lengths of tunnel. Maybe some kind soul will set you up an account even on this here server, if you lack one at the moment. (Also, you're British dammit! You have better choices than Windows Mobile!) --JeɚvsYour signature uses all my CPU time... 23:04, 4 February 2008 (EST)