Talk:National Sunday law

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I'm taking a shot at documenting the history of this thing. Some refs probably better belong in the blue-law article itself. Memesis (talk) 20:45, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Why don't instead have BOTH' Saturday and Sunday as legal days of rest. Sure, there will be the need to increase the work hours to 10, but both Adventists and other denominations will be happy, plus they'll have a secondary day of rest. -OpinionatedDragon (Jan. 03. 13)
I find it amusing because, while not legally enforced (anymore), many businesses already close or have limited hours during the entire weekend. Businesses that don't often have to hire part-timers to work weekend hours, because full-time/weekday workers view them as their days off. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 08:04, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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[edit] Fringe or mainstream?

I'm not sure the article should really say that fears about a national Sunday law are on the fringes of SDA thinking, when a Church co-founder's writings call it out. On the other hand, it's not a big dominant factor in the thinking of any Adventist I've personally talked to. I'll try to find some better wording here. Memesis (talk) 22:20, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm a livelong Adventist, and I've lived in several areas: Southern US, Northeastern US, the west coast, and Europe; and I have Adventist friends from South America, Africa, Australia, Europe and all over the US. I would definitely say it is *not* a "fringe" belief. It's not something that we actively fear (at least as long as Catholics aren't involved), but it gets talked about enough that I know how all these people feel about it. I would say that we are generally not worried about it per se, but it definitely colors our perception of politics and particularly of the goings on in America and its relation to the Catholic church. Most that I know seem to have a "well, it's gonna happen eventually" attitude towards it. It is probably also the case that the older generation is more "worried" whereas the younger may just see it as an eventual inevitability that we don't pay much mind to. Maybe that helps with your assessment of the proper way to describe it. Actually, a friend sent me this link and his and my initial reactions were, "yeah, I wouldn't say fringe, but it's nice that they're actually trying to be nice to us." -- 165.91.10.154 19:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

If you have any references that document these opinions, please include them in the article - or just link them here, and I'll try to work them in. Thanks. Memesis (talk) 22:25, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
My understanding is the belief in itself is part of mainstream SDA but not emphasized, while the belief as something actively feared and as a conspiracy theory is fringe. I don't have any SDA background and the issue only landed on my radar screen because someone once left stacks of the Jan Marcussen booklet in the phone booths outside my workplace. Some one with an SDA background is probably more qualified to comment on whether "fringe" was the correct word to use. Secret Squirrel (talk) 01:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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They won't let me edit this so they apparently have an agenda here. I suggest you google Amazing Facts and see what they really believe instead of reading what some body with a grudge has to say. — Unsigned, by: Almetcalf / talk / contribs 2013-02-14T22:59:35

There is no grudge. You may not like the tone of the article, but that's because much of the belief (as presented in the official materials) is pretty ridiculous. If you feel a specific aspect of their belief is being incorrectly represented, then please let us know. If howerver what you really want is for us to say "Oh wow, this all make perfect sense", then that probably won't happen. VOXHUMANA 23:07, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Almetcalf, I was raised by two members of the SDA church. I still consider myself a Christian, though some of my beliefs have changed. If you look at the article, you'll see a lot of footnotes, generally citations to existing SDA sources. I am the guy who added most of those. Here's my "agenda": to document what's actually being said and actually happening. I think that a site called "Rationalwiki" ought to be open to evidence-based discussion. There's a lot of places on the Web where you can learn what different people think prophecy says. Around here, it's about what the rest of the world says (or doesn't say). Memesis (talk) 05:37, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Actually, Memesis has a good point. It's all well and good to ridicule a point, but one should also track a moving target and also provide RATIONALE facts, not only emulate those who you despise. That part actually put me off for quite a bit, though I found the reading both entertaining, irritating and missing current information. I suggest a near Wikipedia level citation level, but also with the humor and current theme of content, as long as the factual source meets the article content at some level. But then, I'm one who likes accuracy along with satire, each complementing the entirety.Wzrd1 (talk) 05:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Question form an IP

Question for Adventists in Europe: how do the warnings sound when the local word for Saturday is derived from "sabbath," and Sunday is "lord's day?" Does it make sense in Spanish or Greek or whatever to say "sabbath is the real sabbath?" — Unsigned, by: 174.252.144.124 / talk / contribs 2013-08-25T03:09:47‎

[edit] Protestant Menace To Our Government by L. K. Washburn

I just thought is would be worth mentioning this commentary on Henry Blair's Sunday Bill http://infidels.org/library/historical/lemuel_washburn/protestant_menace.html

I don't know where it would fit in the article, but I guess it can remain in this talk section.

When I have some time to read that thing more thoroughly, I'll take a stab at it. Unless Stabby beats me to it. Memesis (talk) 21:28, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

[edit] European Sunday Alliance

I hear some SDAs talk about the European Sunday Alliance pushing for work-free Sundays. As far as I'm concerned, it seems like a bunch of noise and talk, but nothing that big of a deal and it's not in the U.S. The closest thing the U.S. has is National Back to Church Sunday, but seems to be more social-oriented and has nothing to do with legislating anything. There's also "The Lord's Day Alliance", but it's not a big deal. They used to call themselves the American Sabbath Union which had supported the Blair Bill, but now that group has no interest in legislating anything (Oh, and sorry for the multiple edits, I know that can be annoying). — Unsigned, by: 98.235.47.22 / talk / contribs

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