Talk:Nationalism

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Liberal nationalist? I must admit that's an interesting concept. But that probably only shows my sheltered upbringing.--Bob's your uncle 14:32, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

I can't remember the names now (the class I took was about 5 years ago) but there many in China, in particular, who were extremely nationalistic but wanted to help their "nation" by adopting "advanced Western" techniques of governance--things like a parliament, personal rights, etc. I also *think* that there were some similar nationalists in Korea. I should try to look some of them up in order to find out their names.Researcher 21:59, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
Even dictionaries published in Britain define "nation" as "country". From whence this "popular American usage"? PoorEd 16:03, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I've rewritten the article, but included virtually all of what was there already - just rearranged & expanded. The major problem it had was confusing different types of nationalism, & defining all nationalism as a belief in the superiority of one's nation, when in fact this is only one definition of nationalism (e.g. that of the Nazis) & misrepresents other forms of national struggle (e.g. that of Kurdish nationalism). weaseLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 20:01, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Opening articles with quotes

While the idea may be good, the layout begs something. The template used doesn't make in narrower than the rest of the text, and doesn't look very good. Ideas? ħumanUser talk:Human 10:23, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Liberal vs. Leftist

I'd used the term liberal quite specifically--these were not people seeking an egalitarian economic state or the death of capitalism, but rather people campaigning for political rights such as the right to vote, representation, and a lack of central control by the imperial family. The liberal nationalists I was writing about were specifically 19th century liberals opposed to the imperial Chinese system. It would be completely wrong to refer to them as "leftists". (Mossadegh *might* qualify, but even then I deeply doubt it.) Researcher (talk) 04:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I still think "liberal" is a hard term to use specifically in an informal context like this, especially considering our STRONG anti-CP/Andy Schlafly orientation, and what "liberal" means in contemporary US-centric political discourse. P-Foster (talk) 04:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
P-Foster, I'm with you on this (and especially considering the state of our liberal article). Of course, the whole point of bringing it up to begin with is to show that, in some cultures, our ideas of what goes together (conservatives are nationalists, liberals are in favor of some kind of world government) fall apart entirely. I think, as per my talk page, rewriting the liberal page will do more. Researcher (talk) 12:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Where I live the murdering Basque nationalists who make up ETA are usually communist, or at least strongly anti-capitalist. Having said that they refer to themselves - without any apparent sense of irony - as "nationalist socialists" On the other hand the somewhat more mainstream PNV (Basque nationalist party) has a right-wing Christian ideology.--BobSpring is sprung! 13:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Link to essay?

What's RW's policy (if any) on linking to essays? I ask because I want to link to mine. The article on vegetarianism includes a link to AD's essay on vegetarianism.--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 00:38, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I think it's an interesting essay to link to, so I would support that. Nullahnung (talk) 01:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Also, mental illness denial links to Essay:Anti-Psychiatry Arguments and Essay:Explaining the fall of Popper; Bayesian links to Essay:Bayesian Inference and the Power of Skepticism; and Neoreactionary movement links to Essay:Abrechnung mit Reaktion.--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 05:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
I have seen essays linked usually either when there's no opposition to it or when there's a compromise between those who want the essay and the others. I think that's what we do here. Nullahnung (talk) 08:35, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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