Talk:Neo-Nazism

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This ought to be an article. The Nazism article it redirects to doesn't even mention Neo-Nazis. WeaseloidWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 13:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] BoN rant

Why are you comparing conservatism with Neo-Nazism when many conservative Christians are very pro-Israel and very pro-Jewish, whereas Neo-Nazis are not and never will be. Conservatives favor less government, neo nazis don't. Conservatives believe in equality. Neo-Nazis don't.

Conservatives believe in freedom of choice and less restrictions on freedom, Neo Nazis don't. Stop comparing Conservatives to Nazis and American conservativism to Naziism because Nazis were not patriotic, like conservatives are who love their country and want to preserve their freedom and want to have gun ownership, something Nazis don't have.

They are not the same and never will be. They are a far-left phenomenon that hates anyone that is not one of them or a communist. Conservatives hate commies because commies want dictatorships.

Conservatives hate commies because commies want a dictatorship and want to impose strict government regulation, like Nazis do and the two just are not the same.

Stop comparing the two!— Unsigned, by: 71.116.34.150 / talk / contribs

Apparently you have failed to notice that the "comparison" is explicitly put under "fallacious use" and explains that it is wrong to use it as a smear word. Did you bother to read the article at all?
As for the rest of your arguments... it is ironic that you protest the comparison and then immediately label the Nazis "far-left phenomenon".
Anyway, the presence of that section of the article itself is a strawman, though I'm not going to clean that toilet...--ZooGuard (talk) 19:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
From what I can tell, Nazism doesn't fit very well on the usual left/right dynamic. And since every hates the Nazis, it's a scramble to associate them with anyone and everyone you disagree with. Yeah, it's a toilet alright and not many people are up to cleaning it. ADK...I'll dance your clock! 20:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

National-socialists were "leftists" in being, well, socialists (albeit with a highly questionable sense of who should be part of the society and what should be done with those who do not), but they were also socially conservatives (so were the communists in many places anyway). And conservatives are not exactly the poster-boys of freedom, only if within a cinically delineated sense of freedom, like you're totally free to not have sex untill you're married with someone of the opposite sex, and to not sell marijuana and get arrested for it. --Skepticool (talk) 03:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Fascism

Fascism was lauded as a "third way." A strong central government with great control over businesses still private alongside fierce nationalism. It was all compounded by a reckless disregard for individual rights. Fascism fits the bill of Authoritarianism on that politics chart quite well.--"Shut up, Brx." 21:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

[edit] "racial realist atheism"?!

I don't get what "racial realism" has to do with "atheism", to me it sounds the same as speaking of "steady-state cosmology atheism", or "string theory atheism", or "neo-lamarckist atheism". To me it seems that what is really meant is that they're atheists, and their political views derive from their notions of biology. I don't think that the label "racial realist atheism" really fits here, to me it would describe an atheism whose logical wiring was something weird like "there are races, therefore there are no gods".

Furthermore, many of the non-atheist neo-nazis/similars hold similar, if not identical, biological notions, it's not all founded in the supernatural (I think it's only rarely the case). And by the way, the reasoning against their line of thinking is flawed: if all human races went extinct but one, or even 1/4 of one or so, it would not be "crippled" anymore than this sub-population is already "crippled" (and is arguable that no population is "crippled" in such way, even populations as small as one of a city or village). The "races" are not constantly intermingling (and yet remaining distinct somehow) in order to avoid extinction by "racial inbreeding"; they're effectively (or roughly) isolated (not meaning that they can't produce offspring with each other!) for thousands of years. Even the populations/races with the least genetic diversity (like Native-Americans) do not suffer from some sort of racial-level "genetic poverty" that puts their continuity at risk. So even if for some reason there was only a fraction of a single race remaining alive, it wouldn't guarantee humanity an early extinction, at least not more than the sheer number decline with more or less proportional continuity of "racial" lines. That is, if something like a large meteor hit the Earth, perhaps less numerous humankind would have reduced odds of surviving (not that a large population is not also dangerous to our long-term survival as well), but that's irrespective of the racial composition of humankind. Not that there's no relevance whatsoever, but it's more or less only that each race would be roughly more fit to survive wherever they've originated, but it's far more accurate to speak only about pigmentation than "race", since pigmentation seems to be the main selective factor (not the only, but only a handful of racial traits are products of natural selection, besides skin color, perhaps the most important is nose aperture, according to some research I recall). I think it's also troublesome to say that they all believe that whites and non-whites are different species, as that is not an universal view AFAIK. And also the refutation of not being different species is something that some of them could easily "refute" as the fertility criterion is not required for all concepts of species, there are many different species that can produce fertile offspring with other species of the same genus, and even closely-related genera.

I think that such summary of their position is bad as they can easily argue it's a straw-man. More or less the same way that more sophisticated creationists (like IDists) could take advantage of a definition of creationists that lump them all with the most naïve ones. "Hah, those evolutionists, they're so outdated on the advances of creationism. Creationism, or creation science, indeed once believed that the Earth was flat, but over the years it has been found the the Bible really says that the Earth is round. Not only that, but our argument for Design didn't stop with Paley (unlike evolutionists who are still stuck with Darwin), but as our knowledge advanced in areas such as genetics (founded by Gregor Mendel, a priest) and molecular biology (which Darwin didn't know, to be fair to him), the evidence for Design just kept piling up. And evolutionists seem to just ignore that, they're blinded in their orthodoxy..." — Unsigned, by: 201.1.54.189 / talk / contribs 20:13, 22 September 2012‎ (UTC)

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Did you just call me a Neo-Nazi? That is unacceptable. XY007 (talk) 09:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

What? Narky SawtoothNarky.png (Floof!~) 12:45, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
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