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[edit] What you can eat

WE are a woo debunking site. And when you google paleo diet, potatoes are almost always included in the "not acceptable" list. As is corn (which i understand is a grain, but plays specifically into a argument brought up that native americans (north south and central) were eating corn long before they were growing it. I think we really need a "most people claim" vs., a "new trend towards" section to mark the distiction between what I hear on Sparks people, and at various paleo websites, and what HOnorable is saying is the "better" path. Pink mowse.pngGodotoi, putain, genial, merci 17:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

It is, as I have stated, a still-growing trend. A major point of contention for some. Big names like Archevore and Free the Animal support tubers, though. Nobody is all that hot on grains, though. Even traditionally prepared, they're just "meh". Honorable Mr. IP (talk) 18:00, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
And I have no problem at all with this particle stating that, clearly. I just want to make sure we don't lose focus of debunking the wooier side of this, that as i said, I see all over the net, sparks people,e tc.Pink mowse.pngGodotoi, putain, genial, merci 18:48, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I wasn't trying to be confrontational. Meaning is so often lost in text. :( Honorable Mr. IP (talk) 19:09, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
You're not confrontational. YOu're sane. you need only look at the various BONs who log in, say "this is stupid" and log out to see what "confrontational" is.  :-) I want to make sure we are not creating straw men at RW, but still providing good info for people who are less likely to be researching this stuff. keep adding! keep refining, so the article reflects what you know and have seen in the world of paleo.Pink mowse.pngGodotoi, putain, genial, merci 19:22, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Autism claims

The saddest part of the study The gluten-free, casein-free diet in autism: an overview with clinical implications by Elder, Jennifer Harrison Nutrition in clinical practice : official publication of the American Society for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition, ISSN 0884-5336, 2009, Volume 23, Issue 6, p. 583

was that many of the parents reported behavioral improvements that were not corroborated by videotaping and objective observation. Hope springs eternal. There's always the chance that if you put large swaths of people on a diet that doesn't contain a common allergen (like gluten) some of them will discover that oh hey, they were allergic to gluten this whole time. If those people have limited verbal communication and couldn't explain that their stomach hurt, you're probably going to see some behavioral improvements. I'm waiting on more conclusive evidence about whether people with autism are more likely to have digestion problems/allergies than other people.— Unsigned, by: [[User:|User:]] / [[User talk:|talk]] / contribs

That's the trouble with illnesses like autism. So much of it is about perception, when you are trying to rate how well someone is doing, or if they are improving. "he cries less" is really a marker, for example. But since it is a parent reporting, and as you say "hope springs eternal", they are likely to say "oh look, he is doing better! it's working! something is helping!". Green mowse.pngGodot 15:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Preamble

In the preamble to this page there seem to be a couple of odd claims about the paleo community.

First there is the claim that there is a ""religious", highly "pop" category which emphasizes the "ancient way of life"" (what are all these speech marks in aid of?). Now, I grant that it is true that paleos themselves often criticise 'paleo re-enactment' but I think you'll find it quite impossible to actually find anyone who actually defends mimicking the "ancient way of life." It's really a strawman that everyone in the paleo community distances themselves from, that exists only in the popular imagination. Of course I can't provide a reference for this negative claim; the only way would be to look through all the main paleo sources and note the stark absence of any-one really emphasising the "ancient way of life."

The second odd claim is that this first group is "emphatically low carb", in contrast to the group that "de-emphasizes the importance of this being the "way of our ancestors", especially where those views are based on bad anthropology, and [advocates?] other more "medically acceptable" changes to the diet." Now, I've already questioned whether there is a first group, who emphasise the "way of our ancestors" but if we look at the group that most vociferously deny that we should re-enact "the way of our ancestors" and which favours making changes based on science to optimise health, rather than recreating paleo lifestyles (e.g. Kurt Harris, 'paleo 2.0' etc.) then you find a group that has been more in favour of low carb, than traditional (e.g. Cordain style) paleo. — Unsigned, by: 82.21.148.182 / talk / contribs

[edit] Scientific American article

(god I hate this tablet's typing) Scream!! (talk) 23:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

[edit] new article worth adding

so apparently, legums are bad too! what the hell do they think you should be eating? http://paleodietlifestyle.com/beans-and-legumes/Green mowse.pngGodot The ablity to breath is such an overrated ability 00:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Just remember: it only works if you don't understand evolution or nutrition.--Token Conservative (talk) 01:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Dr Loren is referred to as a 'she' and 'her' under the topic of Nutritional claims

End of first paragraph 'her'. Second paragraph 'she'. Loren Cordain is a dude. I haven't edited it as I'm not involved with this wiki but noticed it while reading. Would probably look more credible if the writers knew the person's sex. ;-) — Unsigned, by: Déor / talk / contribs 11:46 (UTC) 10 October 2013

Fixed it, thanks. Did I miss any? Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 12:37, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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