Talk:List of predictions of the end of the world
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[edit] copyright
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Let's link to it rather than copy-paste. Wėąṣėḷőįď
Methinks it is a Weasel 20:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
- Removed, building our own list afresh. Though that list would be good for reference, particularly as a guide to what we're missing - David Gerard (talk) 13:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Do we still have a link to that list? And I think this could have a better title, like the thing that is bolded in the lead. ħuman
18:52, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Do we still have a link to that list? And I think this could have a better title, like the thing that is bolded in the lead. ħuman
- It's an external link now. And yeah, "end of the world" is probably better as a title - David Gerard (talk) 19:29, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Or failed apocalyptic predictions. --BobSpring is sprung! 19:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- It extends to future ones - David Gerard (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- My suspicion is that they will also fail. I'd be prepared to put money on it.--BobSpring is sprung! 19:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Fool! I will so collect when the hadrons decay - David Gerard (talk) 19:52, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- The last one is probably accurate within a few hundred orders of magnitude. Also, thanks for the rename. ħuman
01:54, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- The last one is probably accurate within a few hundred orders of magnitude. Also, thanks for the rename. ħuman
- Fool! I will so collect when the hadrons decay - David Gerard (talk) 19:52, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- My suspicion is that they will also fail. I'd be prepared to put money on it.--BobSpring is sprung! 19:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- It extends to future ones - David Gerard (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Or failed apocalyptic predictions. --BobSpring is sprung! 19:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- It's an external link now. And yeah, "end of the world" is probably better as a title - David Gerard (talk) 19:29, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Fitting in predictions with no specific time
The Heaven's Gate cult predicted the end of the world, but as far as I'm aware they were never any more specific than "soon". It would presumably have been in the 90s - given their suicide so their souls could quickly evacuate the planet by joining an alien spaceship that was claimed to be in the neighbourhood at the time. Any suggestions on how that could fit in? I could put it in under 1997, but it's not entirely clear. Concernedresident omg!!! ponies!!! 22:51, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- Good point, their mass suicide was in 1997 because they believed the UFO that would rescue them from the coming earth catastrophes was trailing right behind the Hale-Bopp comet. But I don't know when, exactly, they predicted the end of the world. Anyone? Secret Squirrel (talk) 22:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I think there may be some confusion in some items in this list between when then prediction was made and when the world was predicted to end.--BobSpring is sprung! 08:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Like for example: "2008: Sarah Palin: believes she is of the "Final Generation" and will see the End Times during her lifetime." In this case 2008 is when the prediction was made rather then when the world is going to end. The GW Bush one is sort of similar - though this one is not really even "the end of the world". --BobSpring is sprung! 12:03, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- The first David Wilkerson prediction listed for 1973, for one, wasn't for any specific year. It was made in his 1973 book The Vision. The later two were more specific. Secret Squirrel (talk) 10:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I think there may be some confusion in some items in this list between when then prediction was made and when the world was predicted to end.--BobSpring is sprung! 08:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
[edit] footnotes
this is all bullshit without footnotes for each date/claim. jehovah's witnesses end of the world 4 times in a row? What is the source? ħuman
07:54, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- I just added a few. Someone with more expertise on the J.W.'s will have to work on those. On a separate matter: should we be including predictions of things like economic depression that aren't really the end of the world? I just added Strauss & Howe, and there are several Pat Robertson and David Wilkerson prophecies of depression listed already. It occurs to me we could easily fill the list with stuff like Ravi Batra's The Great Depression of 1990 but should we? Or keep this limited to second coming, rapture, armageddon type stuff? Secret Squirrel (talk) 11:20, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- I think it should stick to stuff that's actually about the end of the world. Armageddon and Second Coming count, Great Depression doesn't. That said, the predictions of economic doom would also make a fine list - David Gerard (talk) 11:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Mostly the article links themselves - I started the list from stuff that's in other articles on RW. But yeah, cites good - David Gerard (talk) 11:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- We should also try to use cites from the end of the world predictors themselves. Rather than other people saying they said it. Though that might be difficult, not to say impossible, in some cases.--BobSpring is sprung! 12:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Suggestion for reformat
As I mentioned above there is confusion in this list between when the prediction was made and when the prediction is/was supposed to happen. I propose therefore that it be reformatted into:
- Who made. When made. Proposed EoW date. Outcome.
In true RW style I assume that the "outcome" column will be "nothing happened" or something of that nature. Thoughts?--BobSpring is sprung! 17:56, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, good. Also, while I think the "proton death" of the universe is funny, we should also include the ~5 billion year prediction of the sun becoming a red gianty thing and swallowing the Earth. ħuman
18:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- I think there are potentially lots of science type ones. Though it may rather depend on what you mean by "The end of the world". Does it mean: (a) the end of humanity (b) the end of all life on earth (c) the end of the planet earth or (d) the end of the universe. I'd be inclined to not put them in this article at all but put them in their own "Real end of the world" article.--BobSpring is sprung! 18:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Another prediction
The end of the world/universe occurs when 'the proverbial someone' hits the rewind button/'start next game' icon. 212.85.6.26 (talk) 18:15, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Opening quote
The Matthew 24:35-36 quote up the top is almost the KJV I linked to, but not entirely. What is it? PeterQuasniki 2012!
09:00, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Probably some pantywaist modern liberal twisting of the Lord's words. Now KJV, that being the version most English-speaking Christianity-based doomsayers will have been inspired by - David Gerard (talk) 10:45, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Confusion
This article confuses "nutty" end of the world with "real" end of the world. It also fails to define "End of the world". So it could be good but really fails because it doesn't know what it's tying to do.--Weirdstuff (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think "end of the world" is really well defined by any specific conspiracy or prediction. Some suggest it's just civilisation getting sent back to the stone age, others suggest Total Existence Failure. But perhaps a line to that effect at the top could help.
moral
14:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- How about moving it to Catastrophic predictions?--"Shut up, Brx." 14:44, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- "End of the world" is the most common term, it doesn't really help us to rename it like that.
pathetic
14:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- When it's woo being pushed, the woo being pushed is "the end of the world", so call it that - David Gerard (talk) 16:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- As it is, it fails to fully differentiate between the "woo world end" and the "scientific world end". Putting them in the same article implicitly gives them the same validity. Sure, you'd need to believe in woo to believe that, but ...
- Furthermore, while the article title is fine we should probably define EOW world better, or explore in greater depth what is meant by it. Off the top of my head it could mean:
- The second coming of Jesus.
- The end of human civilisation.
- The end of biological life on Earth.
- The end of the physical existence of the planet earth.
- The physical end of the universe.
- The closure of the servers which power rational wiki.--Weirdstuff (talk) 17:50, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- That last will happen after the end of the world, when quantum fluctuations generate a Boltzmann brain containing the entire contents of the wiki - with one spelling error - David Gerard (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- When it's woo being pushed, the woo being pushed is "the end of the world", so call it that - David Gerard (talk) 16:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- "End of the world" is the most common term, it doesn't really help us to rename it like that.
- How about moving it to Catastrophic predictions?--"Shut up, Brx." 14:44, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
According to a letter in the newspaper Ragnarök will begin when Yggdrasil the world ash starts dying... and we now have ash die back.
As there are numberous variations on TV quiz shows, competitive spelling/cooking/other programs, perhaps there could be a predictive equivalent - celebrity prophet face off (but what would the penalties for failure be?) 212.85.6.26 (talk) 18:09, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
'Catastrophic predictions' is ambiguous. 81.159.115.123 (talk) 10:28, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
[edit] Darn you, Wikipedia
Way better than ours too. I suppose we could crib furiously. - David Gerard (talk) 10:28, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
[edit] Apocalypse 2013
Key points so far for anyone wishing to create the (spoof) article
In February
- The remains of Richard III are discovered (possibly linked with the discovery of undeclared horsemeat in food across Europe).
- Benedict XVI resigns - to see how Malachi's predictions will pan out.
- The Vatican is simultaneously hit by lightning.
- There is a meteorite strike on Russia.
Add to taste. 81.159.115.123 (talk) 10:32, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
[edit] The apocalypse will come
Pi days after Pope Sixtus LXVI is elected. 171.33.222.26 (talk) 17:08, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Alternatively when the 'infinite typing monkeys' get sufficiently bored, and type out the complete works of Shakespeare, the Bible, and all the books requested on Desert Island Discs and then go and do something interesting. 171.33.222.26 (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
[edit] Sarah Palin
I fact-tagged this because the citations only establish that she "pals around" with end timers, not that she believes it. Here are the cites:
Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 12:54, 15 April 2014 (UTC)