Talk:Prophecy of the Popes

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[edit] Peter will come

...at a time of extreme persecution of the RC church.

At present the RCC is accepted or tolerated in many countries.

Therefore it is not yet the time of Peter the last Pope.

How valid is the above argument? 171.33.222.26 (talk) 16:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Er, what? SophieWilder 16:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

'Proving' that the prediction is not yet valid (despite the lightning). 171.33.222.26 (talk) 16:59, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

All seems very clear to me. Thought I think the lightening is the more unimportant of the two.--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 17:15, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

And don't forget the conclave opens on the Ides of March.

(I belong to the 'odd coincidences can be fun' persuasion). 171.33.222.26 (talk) 17:29, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Was it the Ides of March date or it being Red Nose Day (and the cardinals all being dressed in red) that caused the shift of date?

Given that the succession of the Popes has been diverted since the 1903 election (in an incident involving the Archbishop of Krakow, whose successor was eventually elected Pope in a quid pro quo), the Prophecy of the Popes is not necessarily presently valid. 171.33.222.26 (talk) 15:33, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

We're never going to have articles about the Ides of March or Red Nose Day on here, BoN. This isn't an encyclopedia. You're thinking of some other wiki.--Spud (talk) 16:02, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
(For posterity's sake, I should add that the BoN originally gave those two dates red links). Spud (talk) 03:55, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Beware the Ides of March (or, if you are a drinker from leather bottles, the Hides of Marc) is a rent-a-quote - and Nobody expects what will be found on Rationalwiki (but Cardinal Jan Puzyna de Kosielsko certainly won't). 171.33.222.26 (talk) 16:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually the conclave has started several days before the Ides of March. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD memberModerator 09:12, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Referring to the date originally proposed (and the coincidences might well have been a reason). If not necessarily marking the end of the world, Francis noted he came #from# the ends of the Earth. 171.33.222.26 (talk) 17:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Rationalwiki is not rational enough, has nobody realized the obvious? The prophecy ends with de gloria olivae, there is no motto for petrus romanus, so it isn't necessarily a pope. When Benedict resigned who was in charge for current affairs? Pietro Tarcisio Bertone born in Romano Canavese. Prophecy fulfilled for what concerns the names. It sure makes Bergoglio a non-pope, and it sure doesn't fit much with the doomsday scenario (to our knowledge, I dunno if in the eyes of the writer of the prophecy attributed to Malachy we are doing fine). Sure there are ways to force a prophecy to fit (Benedict could have chosen a different name), but not always (What about de labore solis?). Not that I care much, The prophecies are not binding for a god. If they were, Fate would be superior to that god.

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