Quantum Mind =/= Quantum Woo
This page paints with a particularly broad brush. Implying that all quantum mind proposals are somehow New Age woo, is guilt by association. There are some fringe people who adopt these views to argue for things that don't have scientific support. However this does not discount mainstream scientists like Penrose, Zizzi, Stapp, Hameroff, etc. who work on the physics of the mind.
Even older big names in physics such as Wigner, Heisenberg and Pauli came to the conclusion that the mind had quantum mechanical aspects based on the conclusions of the field. Unless historically important scientists such as Heisenberg, Pauli, Penrose are to be classified as pseudoscientists, I suggest that we should be careful to differentiate between good science and actual woo.— Unsigned, by: Jfraatz / talk / contribs
- It doesn't say that, though. It explicitly states that Orch-OR is scientific in the sense that it's testable as opposed to Chopra's New Age nonsense. But its predictions have been falsified, so them's the breaks. It doesn't help that Hameroff has been palling around with Chopra, either. You won't find quantum consciousness in the psychology, neuroscience, or cognitive science textbooks except maybe as an offhand reference to a fringe theory. It's definitely not mainstream science. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 00:21, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
- The problem with citing very early quantum mechanical scientists on this is that they were working in a time where neurology practically didn't exist but they were working on a field that apparently defied causality. Hence opening up one interesting avenue for "free will". Not that this concept even made sense at the time - QM is probabilistically controlled, so how that equates to "free will" is anyone's guess - but now we know a lot more about the limitations of quantum effects. narchist 06:55, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 Quantum biology
There is an "emerging field" called quantum biology, the existence of which suggests that there could be some connection between the quantum and biological worlds. WP also has article. Doesn't mean that there is any connection to mental states of course, but it would seem to mean that the idea shouldn't be rejected out of hand.Weirdstuff (talk) 17:38, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
- It wouldn't be dismissing it out of hand to say that (non-trivial) quantum effects probably aren't the source of consciousness. In the case of photosynthesis I'm struggling to see how the effect is being lumped in as "non-trivial" considering you're exploring photo-excited states, where obviously quantum effects will come into play because you're manipulating spins during those reactions. Spotting non-trivial quantum effects into the purely thermochemical world of neurology is something else entirely. pathetic 00:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 Quantum effects
... have consciousness - so deserves full voting rights.
 Intellectually Dishonest Opening Paragraph
The reason consciousness is correlated to quantum mechanics by some researchers is NOT because both are mysterious. Stop removing the corrected edits, without even any discussion. — Unsigned, by: 220.127.116.11 / talk / contribs
- Please bring up your objections/corrections on this page before leaping in on the article page. Scream!! (talk) 23:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- If it's referring to the edits regarding the "hard problem", then it's not particularly useful because many philosophers doubt that the "hard problem" is a problem at all. Further I think that it's just called that to try and give the impression that it's important rather than just a piece of misdirection, much like calling "Is there a God?" a "Big Question". sshole 17:44, 22 January 2013 (UTC)